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Hillenbrand and Chulk to the Giants for Accardo

  • Well, that was fast. The Giants, a team that was in dire need of a corner infielder, traded promising right-hander Jeremy Accardo for Shea Hillenbrand and Vinnie Chulk. By the way, note the remarkably corny headline -- "Giants Say Shea" -- espn uses on its MLB page to describe the trade. It's as though they're channeling Joel Siegel.

    In Accardo the Blue Jays received a player who will be under the team's control for at least the next five years and whose raw talent makes him an immediate upgrade over most of the team's current bullpen. He's endured a rough stretch during the past month or so, but his track record suggests he's capable of being a successful, overpowering reliever.

    According to The Sporting News, he has above average stuff but he must learn to harness it in order to succeed at the major league level:

    "RHP Jeremy Accardo has been sharp with his mid-90s fastball and split-finger pitch, but in tight situations he relies strictly on his fastball and focuses on location. Accardo is a fast worker, and the Giants like his aggressive style and quick motion."

    "RHP Jeremy Accardo struggled leading up to the All-Star break. He has a good fastball, but his split-finger is temperamental and his slider is a work in progress."

    It's probable that Accardo will immediately enter the late-innings picture with the Blue Jays. He was the Giants' closer temporarily, so he's already accustomed to that role. He has great peripherals and should be a mainstay in the bullpen for years. Ricciardi made out very well in this deal.

  • Gregg Zaun, as it turns out, is the "self-described team leader" who accused Hillenbrand of being a cancer in the clubhouse. Zaun could've remained hidden behind a veil of anonymity, but he evidently chose not to. I have no problem with him doing so, but was this really necessary? I mean, to my knowledge, Hillenbrand never actually singled out Zaun explicitly. It'd be best to simply let this story fade away and once again turn our attention to on-field matters.

    Zaun's not the only one making headlines. Richard Griffin, in an article entitled "Is Jays manager next to go?", speculates about John Gibbons' vocational future. Moreover, he minimizes Hillenbrand's actions and impugns management's decision to cut him. From the article:

    What should be of concern to the Jays and their fans is that even though the manager was the aggressor in what could have resulted in a clubhouse brawl, the GM does not think there was anything wrong with it.

    Sure, there was history to the blowup, but what ever happened to freedom of expression?

    The way Jays' management sounds so indignant over the chalkboard incident -- basically 12 sarcastic words from a disgruntled player not meant for public consumption -- one would think that he maimed someone, cheated on his wife, dealt drugs to school kids or had been caught with a shipment of human growth hormone.

    "This is a sinking ship" -- hell, the Star writes that almost every week and we still are allowed in the clubhouse.

    I hate to say it, but he raises an interesting point: If Hillenbrand's malfeasance warranted his release, why didn't management criticize Gibbons' actions. After all, he openly challenged Hillenbrand to a fight in front of the entire team. Not only is that extremely unprofessional, but it's just plain weird. The public backlash from players and fans has mostly been directed at Hillenbrand, so Gibbons will likely survive this fracas (one that only turned out to be figurative, sadly) unscathed.

    From most accounts, Gibbons is well-liked within the organization and he's done an adequate job as manager during his tenure with the club. Despite what J.P. said publicly, I'm not convinced that he would have dealt with the situation in such a quick, drastic manner had the player in question been someone more integral to the team's success. Had Hillenbrand's role been reversed with Vernon Wells', for example, I find it very hard to believe that he'd be released.

    On a loosely-related note, I'm not entirely sure how much of an impact a manager ultimately has on the success of a team. It's blatantly evident that some managers are good at what they do (Bobby Cox, for example) while others are undeniably horrible (Charlie Manuel, for instance). However, the extent to which they help or harm a team is difficult to measure.

  • As hugo recently pointed out, the Nationals released Matt LeCroy. He's struggled mightily this season, both offensively and defensively, but he's been very productive against lefties in the past. With the departure of Hillenbrand, the Blue Jays are in need of a DH against lefties, and LeCroy is capable of filling the void.

    It's important to note that LeCroy is awful on the basepaths. In the Bill James Handbook 2006, James remarks:

    Last year, LeCroy was on first base when a single was hit 14 times. He was 0-for-14 on making it to third. He was on second when a single was hit 3 times, and was 0-for-3 at scoring on those, and he was on first base when a double was hit six times, and was 0-for-6 on those. Altogether, he was 0-for-23 on opportunities to take an extra base on a teammate's hit.

    Add in the fact that he has zero career stolen bases, one career triple, and only slightly more career doubles than career home runs (he's much too slow to consistently hit doubles). And it's rather meaningful, as James points out:

    Are these differences meaningful? Certainly. Let's suppose that a regular player has 40 chances a year to advance on a teammate's hit, and that the range of performance is from 15% to 70%. That's a difference of 22 bases between the players. If you figure that a run is four bases, that's five runs. That's a very meaningful difference.

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by mark w on Jul 22, 2006 4:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Hillenbrand trade
To be honest with you, I am not at all familiar  with Accardo. My first reaction to the trade is this guy has the same stats as Vinnie Chulk... pitching in the NL West. Upon doing some research, I have come to terms with the deal but am not estatic about it.

I wonder if the Hillengate scandal (as sportsnet calls it) didn't happen, would Hillenbrand alone be enough to get Accardo? Isn't a .300 hitter, an everday player enough to get a setup guy? Apparently not. Chulk is nothing more than a average/below-average reliever, I am not going to cry about him leaving, but I thought he is a good for the 6th/7th inning. I believe if this saga didn't happen, Chulk wouldn't need to be traded.

by slitheringslider on Jul 22, 2006 4:43 AM EDT reply actions  

To be fair
His peripherals are much better than Chulk's, plus he's younger. I know you've defended Chulk to some extent in the past, but at this point in his career I don't think he's capable of much more than he's shown.

by mark w on Jul 22, 2006 4:46 AM EDT reply actions  

As I said
I am not overly concerned, just a little irritated. I have never seen Accardo pitch but he seems like a better pitcher now and has a higher ceiling than Chulk. I think is a fair deal under the circumstances of the Blue Jays.

by slitheringslider on Jul 22, 2006 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a shame to lose Chulk
In the sense that Brian Tallet and Pete Walker are still on the team.

I don't know what to make of Accardo's terrible performance during June and July. It's slightly suspicious that the Giants would give up on such a young, potentially very good reliever, so I hope they don't know something about him that others don't. But then again, it's Brian Sabean, who has a notorious fetish for older players.

by mark w on Jul 22, 2006 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Walker
Pete Walker is done for the season. And at his age, that may mean he's done, period.

Brian Tallet's still on the team, but that removes one of your concerns. :)

- Ash

by Asharak on Jul 22, 2006 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Accardo
I have to say I like the look of Accardo's stats: less than 1 H/IP, almost 1 K/IP, a 4:1 K:BB ratio, and only a HR every 20 IP.

Factor in his age, power, and contract status, and he looks like a good player. Concerns about his being an NL pitcher are valid, but at time slightly overstated.

It's probably a good deal in terms of what we could get for a hitter we'd already DFAed. We could likely have gotten more for Shea had he/Gibbons not forced Ricciardi's hand, but crying over spilt milk never helps.

- Ash

by Asharak on Jul 22, 2006 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

LeCroy
I veto picking up LeCroy. We have a lefty killer in Bengie Molina already, we don't need a 4th catcher/3rd firstbaseman that can't field and can't run and can't hit righties. Zaun/Molina/Cat/Hinske will split time at DH and their respective positions. We'll be fine.

With Alex Rios back in a couple weeks, hopefully we will never have to see Chad Mottola again. We still have decent depth on the bench.

by slitheringslider on Jul 22, 2006 4:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Against lefties
He could be a better fit than Zaun as DH, but probably not by much anyway. I'd be surprised if the Blue Jays signed him.

by mark w on Jul 22, 2006 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

although I originally suggested looking at lecroy
I am not very big on the idea.  I just think if Phillips is going to remain on the team, and will probably not see any real playing time behind the dish anyway as he will be little more than injury insurance, it might make sense to replace him with Lecroy, who would at least provide a little power off the bench and could help out in some matchups where perhaps he could obviate the need for hinske to hit against a lefty.  
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jul 22, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zaun
Of note, according to this bluejays.com article, while Zaun did confront Hillenbrand about his clubhouse...antics...he was not the player who called him a clubhouse cancer.

"Nor am I the anonymous quotes that identified Shea as a 'cancer' or that his entire personality was dictated by whether or not his name was in the lineup."

- Ash

by Asharak on Jul 22, 2006 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Overview
First, I am pleased with how this turned out. Hillenbrand is gone and he was a cancer. That is a plus now matter how you slice it. Also, although I like Alpheus am not familiar with Accardo, if he is the pitcher ESPN describes I'd am very pleased. Under the circumstances I don't think J.P. could have done better (unless of course Shea had been traded in May, and even then who knows).

Being the lone voice in the wilderness calling for bullpen help I obviously feel somewhat redeemed that J.P. agreed with me. Of course it is possible he put a starter as top priority and couldn't find someone acceptable. Nonetheless, I am pleased. Accardo HAS been a closer before so that bodes well for his ability to handle high pressure (and high leverage) situations. The plus fastball also helps.

Second, I don't agree with you about Gibbons mark. I think that someone like Jim Leyland might have done the same thing as John did. I don't think he REALLY wanted to fight Shea -- I suspect it was more about sending a message to Hillenbrand and the team that HE is the Captain of the Jays ship, and that he would not let any one player sink it, or bring it down.

The article you quote above is ridulous in that it doesn't take into account that Hillenbrand WAS ON THE TEAM. It says that papers write that kind of stuff all the time, but there is a BIG difference between a newpaper writing that stuff about a team it is supposed to critically examine and a MEMBER of said team writing. In short it is a stupid argument.

Thirdly, I don't think someone like Vernon Wells would ever do what Hillenbrand did so to speculate that Gibbons would have responded that way is besides the point. He responded to HILLENBRAND not Wells. Supposedly, this is the only time Gibbons has ever done something like this. There is a place for managerial displays of anger and unusual measures like his interaction with Hillenbrand. I think that situation was unique and we need to look at it that way.        

by Jack Frost @ Bluebird Banter on Jul 22, 2006 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zaun
I read that article while I was out of town and without internet access this weekend.

While I do admit that my inference was wrong, I do find it strange that Zaun felt compelled to speak out about this as though he felt Hillenbrand's words were directed at him. Kind of suspect, I'd say.

by mark w on Jul 24, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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