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Of Angels and Angles: 6/16 Game Thread - Angels at Jays

Thursday, August 16 - Toronto, Ontario
7:07 PM (EDT)


Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Chone Figgins 3b
Orlando Cabrera ss
Vladimir Guererro rf
Garrett Anderson dh
Gary Matthews, Jr cf
Casey Kothchman 1b
Macier Izturis 2b
Jeff Mathis c
Reggie Willits lf

Pitching: Kelvim Escobar, RHP


Toronto Blue Jays

Reed Johnson lf
Lyle Overbay 1b
Alexis Rios rf
Vernon Wells cf
Frank Thomas dh
Troy Glaus 3b
Aaron Hill 2b
Greg Zaun c
Ray Olmedo ss

Pitching: Dustin McGowan, RHP


While I inflict Decemberists references on everyone, the Jays go for the sweep tonight against the Angels. With the offense still showing no signs of emerging from its summer hibernation and Kelvim Escobar in the midst of a fantastic stretch (1.60 ERA in his last 7 starts) in a very fine season (12-6, 2.74 ERA, 115 K / 50 BB), it looks like the Jays will need a good start from Dustin McGowan. McGowan is 8-6 with a very respectable 4.12 ERA and reasonably good peripherals (83/41 K/BB).

For the Jays, Ray Olmedo gets the start, Sparky returns to LF, and Glaus is still healthy enough to play.

John Brattain has an interesting article on the Jays' offensive struggles this season. To summarize Brattain's point, John Gibbons has cost the Jays a chance at a playoff spot this season by refusing to use outs in order to move runners along. While it is not an unqualified call for small-ball, I think what Brattain is saying is that what the Jays have been doing is clearly not working, and Gibbons has shown his lack of vision and creativity by refusing to try different tactics just because they cut against his and JP's philosophy that outs should not be given away.

While I understand Brattain's point and I agree that Gibbons should be taken to task for failing to get more out of his offense this season or at least try to do so, I disagree with his desire to see the Jays make use of the productive out. I certainly understand the frustration (after all, I've been watching all season) with an offense that just hasn't been doing its job, particularly with runners on. However, I don't think sac bunts are the answer. For starters, the sac bunt isn't a particularly useful play, even if it works. Second, it doesn't even work 100% of the time, and when it fails it can be disastrous (to the inning). Third, the Jays are not particularly proficient at bunting - McDonald is probably the best, and he's by no means great. Sparky can bunt, but he's better at bunting his way on than sac bunting. The rest of the team do not bunt well. Fourth, with Thomas and Glaus (and perhaps Overbay) the best on the team at getting on base, bunts will have to be better than usual to move the runners up, and Glaus and Thomas both have leg/foot injury histories so you may not want to tax their lower bodies. Fifth, and perhaps most significantly, I think the Jays' biggest problem offensively has been failing to collect hits with runners in scoring position, particularly with two outs. Sac bunting isn't really going to help with that very much (it might lead to a few more sac fly or groundout RBI situations). August is a bit of an outlier because of the complete dearth of HRs, but that's how I see it anyway. The hit and run, which, to his credit, Brattain doesn't mention, is an even worse move.

Everyone seems to be saying that the Jays need to use more small-ball tactics, but I don't think it would help. Those tactics might work for a team well set up for them (this series aside, the Angels have had good offense despite very little power) but for a team like the Jays, I think it would just make a bad situation even worse, or no better. I would like to see a few more straight steals, but that's more of my bias as an old basestealing lag in my playing days than anything else.

Well, that's enough of that for now, time to play with the baby and put her to bed. What do y'all think? (not about the baby, haha)

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People thought Hill should have bunted last night.
Hill, who's .333 with RISP, and they want to waste his at-bat to set up Zaun and McDonald?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

A nice reliant automobile
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The Anaheim Chop
Glaus is no match.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

6-4-3
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I should've mentioned
I'm a bit biased on this topic because when I was about 13 I was hitting against this guy who was throwing over 80 (fairly ridiculous for that age) and my loser coach made me bunt after he beaned the leadoff batter (I was mostly a 2 hitter at the time). I wasn't used to hitting against anyone who threw that hard, and I lost concentration and broke my finger. You jerk, Coach Zizza!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

You know it's a good inning
when it fits inside a song, and moreso when it's not a really long song. This one fit inside Closer by Nine Inch Nails, which is pretty good.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

old friend Esco
has really made himself into a good pitcher. He has gotten some lousy run support over the years though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

little sarge
respecting Sparky, and the ball falls in. let's not sac bunt, haha
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

although
if Lyle is taking swings like that....
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sparky bloops one in
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Hit & Run was on
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

hitting and running
sucks
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It wasn't the hit and run that was the problem
it was trying to take third.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is true
although he wouldn't have been going for third had they not been hitting and running
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was running toward where the ball was hit
he should have known it wasn't deep enough.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes
he may not have a great idea of his speed at the moment, he looks like he's lost a step or two since the back surgery, but his instincts may not have adjusted accordingly yet
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would explain all his terrible bunts
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

rios and wells
both smoked it, but to no avail.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Fallacy of Predetermined Outcome
Sparky could have tagged to third on the Rios fly and scored on the Wells fly.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It's easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
not a great pitch, but Matthews pulverized it.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

It's easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

We looked pretty bad that inning.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

did we ever
the leadoff walk doesn't help matters. the way our offense is going, a few runs will put us pretty far behind the 8 ball
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't walk a .200 hitter!
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

They got their hit and run to 'work'
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the announcers defending small-ball
"That's why you got him into scoring position for Figgins." So he could hit a double?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

despite the two runs
McGowan has looked pretty good. Aside from the Matthews HR, Figgins' hit was nothing special, and Dustin has induced a lot of ground balls and weak contact. I wouldn't be surprised to see him settle down, but who knows if our O even has 3 runs in them.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Based on linear extrapolation we will be shut out
Of course, the Halos' 2 runs defy linear extrapolation.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

another lackluster inning
I hate to think we wasted our best chance to score on Escobar, but he's looked pretty nasty the last 2 innings
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If it's any consolation
Johnson was pretty unlikely to get his single against a righty pitcher, and without that we wouldn't have looked like we had any good chances to score on Escobar.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

shockingly
not much consolation that our leadoff hitter can only get on via luck. I don't think Sparky should be leading off against righties either, although he hit righties well enough last season.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was hitting bunt singles last season
and getting hit by pitches, and drawing the occasional walk.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine we will see Lind again
in september, getting at-bats against righties. it will be interesting to see how he looks.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already have Stairs as an option vs. Righties.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

true
but who knows if stairs will be back next season? might be good to see what Lind can do. I also wouldn't mind seeing stairs DH against righties a bit more, which would free up some more time in the OF. Then of course there is the Stairs at 3rd possibility.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lind is also apparently getting a reputation
for slacking in AAA.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have also read that
and the Jays might not want to promote him to send a message that if you don't work, you don't get the callup.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

to back up my dh idea
Thomas is OPSing .767 against righties, stairs could easily do better. In contrast, Thomas is OPSing 1.026 against lefties. obviously thomas won't be expected to only play against lefties, but an occasional break against righties isn't going to hurt the team, and might help it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course his vesting option keys on games
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

McGowan loses Matthews
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Stolen base on a pitchout
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

But we strand him
after he goes to third on the wild pitch.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't look very good that inning either
At least Overbay put the ball in the air.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

we're not really making Escobar throw
pitches either, he's only at 55 through 4 innings. at this rate, we're going to be stuck with him until the Angels get the awesome part of their bullpen in
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A nice reliant automobile
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a worrying pitch from McGowan
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It's easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

good inning
now let's get some baserunners
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Bases empty, 3-0 count
Frank flies out to right.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

And we stink out loud
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It's easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

It's doubly easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

We'd better score now
because we suck in the seventh and later.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

if we can get one
we might be able to scratch out one later
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least mcgowan
is pitching well. it is really stunning how good our pitching has been - if the hitting was just below average instead of completely pathetic we would be right in the wild card race if not leading
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Wilner from Fan 590's claim:
If we had last year's offense with this year's pitching we'd be leading the division by 15 games.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

My counter-claim:
We'd have a better offense if our hitting coach wasn't a career .259/.300/.407 hitter.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Zaun could throw baseballs like he throws bats
he might catch people stealing.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

heh
he is having a good at bat though, which is more than you can say for pretty much everyone so far
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course ending with a K
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 3-1 pitch looked good to hit
and he just watched it go.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep
was either sitting on an offspeed pitch or hoping for a walk
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

olmedo
sparks a rally with the one-out double
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

A one out rally?
It's been a while.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

sparky with the RBI
Olmedo has some wheels
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

What's he batting now, .333?
You could have him lead off, but it would take Johnny Mac off the field.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

could platoon Olmedo and Mac, I guess
Mac is awful against righties, and Olmedo has a good reputation in the field.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overbay follows with his second hit the other way
cmon, Lexi!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good sign
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing for the 3 run homer sounds so greedy
From now on, we should say we're playing for the 2 run double. It's high tech, because you do it the same way you play for the 3 run homer.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I like that a lot
we should make it the tagline of our site
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios gotten
that pitch was nasty
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Wells has had doubles ability lately
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

when in trouble you
call VW?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

That's so terrible
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a darkwing duck fan
I take it. Neither is Vern.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it okay
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darkwing Duck, I mean
not the fly ball.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

something depressing
about the BJ Ryan bobblehead promotion
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Would you prefer a Bobblearm?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

who would've thought
we could lose him and league basically all season and our pen could still be as good as it has been?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because we've had good starts
which protects us from using the easy end of the bullpen. Of course, this means the good arms occasionally get overworked and have blowups.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rios suffers from a lack of protection
much like Vlad. Unlike the Angels, the Jays have guys who should be able to protect him, but can't this season.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

that's why I like Rios up in the order
he's not selective and so benefits from seeing a lot of fastballs. of course, I also feel that way about wells
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we could have declared Rios 3/Wells 4
a failure weeks ago.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice defense there lyle
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

That sinks his gold glove chances.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i officially
hate this game
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

And now Gibbons comes out
Surprise! The Jays waste a scoring chance and the Angels have a big inning. Didn't we see this against the Yanks?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

2-6
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

It's easy
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

We are all about warning track power
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by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Good inning for Wolfe
Some nice low-leverage relief.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

yes
too bad our late-inning offense has been pathetic
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

escobar out
just in time for Shields and K-Rod
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

taking 3-1
paid off for Zaun this time. Stairs in to hit for Olmedo
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Zaun keeps on truckin'
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Stairs punched out
on the good curve from Shields
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Johnson into the FC
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Downs
makes quick work of the Haloes. It's really too bad we gave up those insurance runs, or this would've been an interesting game. But once again this is on the offense, of course.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

And a defensive lapse by Overbay
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

See the bluejays.com notes column today?
Ricciardi says, "The GCL Jays have hit more home runs than us this month." Ha ha ha ha YOU BUILT THIS TEAM!
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw that
what a clown
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh vernon
if we only could've done that a few innings ago when sparky and lyle were on
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

If we'd spread the runs from our 15-4 win
over a few other games...
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

frank getting in on the act
tying run at the plate now
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

So Glaus is the tying run?
With Hector Luna pinch running.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Glaus walks easily
and Hill now with the big opportunity. It's not over yet...
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

tough break
on the liner, but it could've been a double play
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Key play
ended up saving the game for them. At least he hit it hard.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

c'mon Zaun
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
Zaun's grounder just squeezes through, and now if stairs can come up with a hit, it's all tied up!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if they pitch around stairs?
with Mac on deck. Jamie seems to think they will.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

well
another pathetic series for the offense, but maybe their 9th inning can spark the offense going forward?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 16, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Our lack of homers in the ninth
seems unlikely to spark our offense into hitting homers. We need to fix the batting order. Certain guys just don't hit well in certain spots.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guh... dynamic.fmpub.net sucks
Unable to comment for ages because of the stupid script tag.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Tigers are beating the Yanks
So we will lose a half game on SEA and CLE, stay even with NYY, and DET moves into the AL central lead and out of our hair for now. Hopefully they pummel the tribe for us every game those two play from now on.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 16, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough Game
We almost came back. Overbay cost us another game with his defense. Very frustrating when you can't hit. You sure as hell better be able to play defense behind your pitcher.

Discouraging loss. Dustin pitched OK.

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by Rios39 on Aug 17, 2007 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Overbay's OBP vs. RHP this month is .395
and he was 2 for 4 tonight. It's not his fault that Johnson screwed up and tried to go to third. The defensive struggles lately are troubling, but you're committing the fallacy of the predetermined outcome. If Overbay had made that play it doesn't mean that the Jays would still have scored two in the ninth, or that the Angels wouldn't have scored two (if not more) that inning or at some point before the bottom of the ninth.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 17, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Decemberists
good to know you like them as well! Missed the game playing ball hockey so I'm disappointed the Jays couldn't bring out the brooms.

by achengy on Aug 17, 2007 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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