It's a Still-Life Watercolor: The Dangling Conversation, Part VIII

Rincewind: What should be done about the DH spot?
Hugo: The Jays should get the best bat they can afford over the next two seasons, in my view. For the past two seasons, their starting pitching, defense, and bullpen have been lights-out, and the hitting has killed them. 2008 taught them that the offense wouldn’t improve with the same players just because the year ended in a different number, so let’s stop thinking that.
The problem is that the Jays can’t afford to give up too much in a trade due to the thinness of the team in the high minors, so it has to be through free agency or a creative trade. With Halladay under control, Marcum, McGowan, and Janssen hopefully at full strength, Snider, Cecil, Arencibia, and Lind on the Rise, and Rios, Hill, and Wells still at or near their primes, 2010 could be a big year for the Jays if they have a big bat to complement the lineup.
I like Bradley. I really like Blalock. I’m intrigued by the idea of Butler. I wonder if, given the price the Yankees paid for Swisher, the Jays could get Thome or Dye cheaply. But let’s bring in somebody, and make Moonraker our contingency plan.
Rincewind: The nice part about having a hole at DH, is that it should be an easy hole to fill. Of course, JP couldn’t fill it all last season, but that says a lot about JP’s ability as a GM. There must be 60 players the Jays could pick up cheap that would be better than what we have. I’d prefer a right handed bat, since we didn’t have anyone that could hit a lefty at all last year.
I love the idea of Blalock because he could fill in at first or third at times and we didn’t have much to back up those spots. But then we don’t have much to back up the outfield spots either and Bradley could do that. I’m not sure about Butler, I think I’d just as soon have Moonraker up as have him be a DH for us. Butler doesn’t get on base that well, though he is young and will likely improve.
I do wonder how much money Giambi will be looking for this year but he’s pretty limited as just a DH. He does have the power and ability to take a walk that the team could use.
Hugo: JP said signing Bonds was selling his soul, so I don’t see him taking on Giambi, though you never know. Giambi is one of my least favourite players ever since he whined about Ichiro winning MVP in 2001 – he was hardly in a position to complain seeing as he spent the year cheating -- but I have to admit it could help the team. He has been a little uneven in his production though, and his health issues seem much more chronic than Bradley’s. Blalock or Bradley would be very nice. The good thing about Butler would be his low cost and the number of years he’ll be under team control, but you’re right, he’s hardly a sure upgrade for this season based on what he did last year, though he does offer depth. I’m not sure the Royals are going to part with him, anyway. With any of these guys, you’re taking on a risk, but that’s okay because the Jays have Snider waiting in the wings.
My gut tells me that J.P. waits out the winter meetings and signs the best bat left over in January, when the player’s leverage is gone. But we’ll see, it's hard to say how the economy will affect the market when all is said and done, and what that will mean for the Jays. And of course according to Richard Griffin, Russ Adams should be our DH, so, yeah.
So no, we don't think we're Oppenheimer and Einstein, haha. It's just one of my favourite pictures.
Part 1: Good and Bad of 2008
Part 2: Jays Priorities for the Offseason
Part 3: Should the Jays Rebuild?
Part 4: Who Should Lead Off For the Jays?
Part 5: How Should the Jays Fill Out Their Rotation
Part 6: Part 6: Can the Jays Complete with Barajas catching and Scutaro at Short?
Part 7: Should the Jays Trade From Their Bullpen?
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Just a guess....
But you are seeing me as the gray haired one, aren’t you. Not that I’m anything like Einstein.
by Tom Dakers on
Dec 3, 2008 11:03 PM EST
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well, I never tried to poison my professor
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on
Dec 4, 2008 2:09 PM EST
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As an update to the shortstop discussion
the Cardinals got Greene for two relief prospects.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
by Torgen on
Dec 4, 2008 2:51 PM EST
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I'm surprised
that JP wasn’t in on that, he has always liked Greene and we certainly have no shortage of relief prospects to offer up. He wouldn’t’ve been a guaranteed upgrade on Marco, but he might’ve been.
Also, Renteria signed apparently, but there’s no way that we were ever going to sign him.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on
Dec 4, 2008 3:14 PM EST
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i have a question...
it’s been bothering me ever since i saw it but who is ‘moonraker’?
(and i thought i knew my jays pretty well)
by bryfryy on
Dec 4, 2008 8:58 PM EST
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Travis Snider....
Sorry we should use his name each time we use the nickname. It’s a nickname that we are using for reasons to obscure to explain. I was there for the original explanation and I still don’t understand it, but we are keeping it.
by Tom Dakers on
Dec 5, 2008 12:55 AM EST
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Makes sense till you hear the explanation.......
I think we should put a glossary of nicknames and terms we use on here. Wait till you see the Hinske award or Prime Minister of Defense or Cy for that matter…..
by Tom Dakers on
Dec 5, 2008 2:53 AM EST
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question...
i can’t wait to hear the nicknames for JP and Russ Adams
by bryfryy on
Dec 5, 2008 3:39 AM EST
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We try to keep the site G rated
so can’t use JP’s nickname.
by Tom Dakers on
Dec 5, 2008 11:39 AM EST
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I made up the nickname
and still don’t understand it
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
by jessef on
Dec 5, 2008 8:28 AM EST
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Well you explained it so perfectly....
we had to keep the name. I just want to hear it used on a Jay’s broadcast one day.
by Tom Dakers on
Dec 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST
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I still don't know how the nickname came about
I like it a lot though.
by SuckaMD on
Dec 5, 2008 1:15 PM EST
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Moonshots + raking = Moonraker
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
by Torgen on
Dec 5, 2008 5:03 PM EST
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Another question
Have we ever gotten a shout-out on a Jays’ broadcast? Have any Jays blogs ever been mentioned?
by SuckaMD on
Dec 5, 2008 1:16 PM EST
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not that I know of.
we have gotten love from Brattain, Wilner, and the folks at Sports Illustrated.com and ESPN.com though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on
Dec 5, 2008 1:54 PM EST
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