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The Garden You Planted: Winter Meetings Begin Tomorrow

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The winter meetings are set to begin tomorrow in Las Vegas, Nevada, new home of the Jays' Triple A team.  The meetings don't always feature huge announcements of deals, but the groundwork for those deals is often laid at the winters even if they are not concluded until later on.  The meetings will end with the Rule 5 draft on Thursday, and the Jays will need to do a bit of roster shuffling should they want to participate.  That won't be difficult, as the Jays have some players on the 40-man roster that it's unlikely anyone would draft, and a few who are completely replaceable even if they were drafted. 

Richard Griffin expects the Jays to be quiet in the winter meetings and for once it's hard to disagree with the man.  Griff says that until the 4 big names are drafted (Sabathia, Teixiera, K-Rod, and Furcal), things will open up.  There is some uncertainty for each player as to where they end up, though I would be surprised if K-Rod doesn't end up a Met - they have money to spend on a closer and no one else seems to interested in dropping big bucks on a 9th inning man.  J.P. Ricciardi has all but conceded Burnett, though I guess you never know.  Depending on what team signs Burnett, our compensation could vary greatly  I just hope he doesn't end up with a team that also signs Sabathia or Teixiera, that would sting.

Bob Elliott takes a look at each team's needs in today's Sun, and there's nothing out of the ordinary about the Jays, although according to Elliott, the Jays are looking at Rafael Furcal, Bobby Crosby, and Raul Ibanez.  It's been well-reported that the A's are out of the running for Furcal, and if that's true, it's hard to imagine how (or why) the Jays would trade for Crosby.  Although Crosby was finally healthy last season, he was awful and hasn't been any good at all since 2005 (in a half season at that).  I'd take a flier on him, but I sure wouldn't give up much of anything.   Ibanez would be okay as DH on, say, a 2 year deal with an option except that he's a Type A free agent and would require the Jays to surrender their 1st round draft pick.  He just declined arbitration.  In a final bit of bad news, Brewers GM Doug Melvin says he's not trading Bluebird Banter favourite J.J. Hardy.  Oh, well.

For top coverage of the Jays' needs, let me recommend our ongoing offseason conversation, The Dangling Conversation.  And let me also recommend an excellent fanpost by Bunner and ensuing dialogue on whether the Jays should go into rebuilding mode. 

Finally, MLB.com Jays beat reporting workhorse Jordan Bastian has a nice little article on Marco Scutaro.  Scoot is playing in the Venezuelan Winter League this winter and is gearing up for what could very well be the starting shortstop job for the Jays in 2009.

N.B.  Today's title comes from a song by Sea Wolf, whose record "Leaves in the River" has been a favorite of mine this fall and winter.  It seemed appropriate, since the moves made this winter will hopefully bear fruit come spring and summer.

 

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I love that song

Middle Distance Runner, I think it’s my favorite tune on the album

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Dec 7, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

same here. Score another one for Itunes Genius

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 7, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Carl Pavano....

really? The BJ Ryan rumors were a bit of a nice surprise, but what’s this about Pavano?! What could JP be thinking now?

by bryfryy on Dec 8, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

I'd have to see the deal

but I’d much rather sign Pavano for a cheap incentive laden 1-year deal with him playing for his future than sign Garland, as John Brattain (a smart guy) and Richard Griffin (not so much, but he can be funny, although as often as not it’s unintentional) think we should, to a multi-year deal for 10 million per. That’s not to say I’d be excited about a Pavano signing, but it is the type of move JP likes to make. Guy loves a bargain.

And If Pavano can somehow scrape together a league-average performance (not likely but hardly out of the question), presto, we’ve practically replaced what A.J. gave us last season for almost no risk.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

AJ's tRA+ was 125

League average won’t replace that. Litsch was slightly better than league average.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Dec 9, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

tRA+ is a great indicator of a pitcher's true talent level

I was going by ERA+, A.J.‘s was 105. According to tRA+, he was unlucky, so next season you would expect him to be better, but I still would argue that his overall production from last season could be replaced by about a league average pitcher who has average luck and profits as would be expected from the Jays defense. That AJ didn’t have those things from last season doesn’t mean that his replacement wouldn’t. It could be argued both ways, though, so you raise a good point.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 9, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sea Wolf Rocks

Go after Furcal – get to the river before it runs too low – Rafael won’t cost you any draft picks…

by Rev Halofan on Dec 8, 2008 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

they sure do.

I’d actually be quite down with Furcal, but the Jays don’t appear to be interested at all, which is kind of strange considering that they really don’t have anyone close at SS. Furcal seems to fill a lot of needs all at once for this team.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 8, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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