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It's Allright, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding - Game 18, Detroit at Toronto

Detroit Tigers at Toronto Blue Jays, Apr 19, 2008 1:07 PM EDT


Now I'm not saying I expected the Jays to win yesterday - not with newcomer David Purcey facing the suddenly exploding Detroit Tigers lineup and the way that junk-balling lefties have made the Jays look lousy at the plate this season. But when the team was up 4-1, I thought for sure they'd be able to make it a close game, at least. I certainly didn't expect our bullpen to immediately give back the 3 run lead and then some more runs for good measure, while our offense simultaneously shut it down for the night.

No one in the Jays' bullpen pitched well yesterday, though at least Downs only made one mistake and then pitched quite well for his 1 2/3 innings. Unfortunately, his mistake was a big one, a first-pitch, two-run HR to Edgar Renteria. The other Jays pitchers were just getting hit, and hard. After Purcey issued 7 free passes in 4 1/3 innings, the other Jays managed not to walk anyone, but Frasor, Tallet, and Accardo were all getting hit quite hard. It was an ugly game, and anytime Mac makes an error on a routine play, you know things are not going your way.

I don't know how much I'll be around today, as I'm taking the little one to the park and then I have rehearsal in the afternoon. So this game thread is going up early, and maybe someone can post the lineups later on. Of course, the game is blocked out anyway. The Jays are really starting to look bad, and for bad measure, they drew the Tigers at what looks like the worst possible time. Today they will turn to Dustin McGowan to stop the rot. Hard thrower Jeremy Bonderman will oppose McGowan. My hope is that Lyle Overbay will not be hitting 6th or 7th, in front of the likes of Scutaro and MacDonald. Other than Rios, Lyle has the highest OBP on the team vs right-handed pitching (.429) and is hitting for no power, so the best spot for him would seem to be 2nd or 3rd. Meanwhile, Frank Thomas is looking terrible these days at the plate and should probably not be batting 5th at the moment.

Saturday Digression:
What's the greatest baseball movie of all time? My answer is John Sayles' Eight Men Out, though you can't go wrong with the Sandlot. Post your opinion in the comments below!

Update: Apparently, the big hurt has been Benched . I can't imagine he's very happy about that.

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Baseball Movie

I’ll admit that I haven’t seen some of the more popular baseball movies – Eight Men Out, The Natural, Bull Durham, Ed – but I guess my pick would be the original Bad News Bears. Also, the baseball scenes in For the Love of the Game are great; it’s the rest of the movie that brings it down.

by mark w on Apr 19, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Bull Durham

Mostly for the baseball lines….’Never seen anything fly that far before without a waitress’. ‘This is a simple game. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. You throw the ball’. ‘Never use your pitching hand to hit a drunk in a bar.’ Great baseball wisdom.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Susan Sarandon...if you had no other reason to want to be a baseball p

if you had no other reason to want to be a baseball player…there she was.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

sandlot

wendy peffercorn!

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" --Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Apr 19, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, isn't Ed

the one with the monkey?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah

Its imdb rating is in the 2s (out of 10).

by mark w on Apr 19, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't opening saturday supposed to be blacked out

and it wasn’t? This game doesn’t have the blackout square on mlb.com.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope, not blacked out on mlb.tv

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's good

blacked out on Extra innings, though the Fox game doesn’t start for another 3 hours

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups according to Gameday

Tigers:
C. Thomas, J. Jones, Sheffield, Ordoñez, Cabrera, Guillen, Renteria, Rodríguez, Raburn

Jays:
x, Hill, Rios, Wells, Stairs, Stew, Overbay, Barajas, Scoot

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Scratch Stew

Inglett will play left today, batting ninth. The tail end of the lineup will now go Barajas, Overbay, Scoot, Inglett.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

if this keeps happening

we need Lind. Inglett isn’t much at the plate and has looked awful in limited time in the field.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Bonds.

Obv it’s a question of time.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

Frank is Benched .

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Who would have been a better DH choice last year?

It’s not like we knew Stairs would be as good as he was.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what was the better gamble?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah don't know what the options were....

I would have liked them to just sign him for two but maybe they couldn’t have.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well obviously Cust was a possibility

because of his minor league deal forcing the Padres(?) organization to release him if another team wanted him for their major league roster.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Popping up a 2-0 pitch is not getting it done.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Rios goes deep!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

who

was called up to replace Purcey, anyone know?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Shawn Camp

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

he’d been pitching great in Syracuse if I remember right

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm unimpressed with his 7 ERA in the majors

but it’s better than Accardo is putting up this year.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double play

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

10 pitch inning

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

a good start by McGowan would be a big morale boost

but the more pressing problem is the offense, of course

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bears with the Jays logo in that display case seem silly

Why not a Teddy Jay?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

would you believe he came up through the minors as a second baseman?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember last year

when he stole third straight up?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found it

August 5th vs. Texas

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only really works if they put Stew on the DL

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they wanted Scoot and Mac when Rolen was going to be healthy

then you need a backup for Scoot when he’s full-time, if not a platoon mate.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

or they could wait for Rolen to return

and send down Inglett, no?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we please stop batting Barajas ahead of Lyle

who again, is OBPing .429 against righthanded pitching

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

One of those things to defuse the LOOGY

who will go through the order less than once, compared to the starter, who will go through three times or so.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind Barajas

but his skillset clearly seems to indicate that he should bat after everyone with a decent shot at getting on base

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean in RBI situations?

or after the game is over?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

.271

Not great, but above ML average.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's been okay against rigthies,

terrible against lefties

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing wrong with that early.....

had a graphic up about him not hitting since Sept 1 last year….but who cares about last year now, since he was coming back from an injury

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always thought he was ok at first...

would like more power out of 1B…..and I figure he won’t age well….as a little dip will bring him below you’d want for offence at first

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice...

now we need to keep scoring

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

as opposed to that

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh... 1-2-3 double play

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Rance

actually showed surprising understanding of the small sample size concept in regards to Accardo’s ERA. Of course that’s one situation where it looks like something is actually very wrong and it’s not just small sample.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well
I can’t imagine that inning coming back to bite us

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure

we’ll have lots more bases-loaded no-out situations this game. i mean, it’s not like we’re going to start randomly flailing away at every pitch for the rest of the game….

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

quite the play by Eckstein

it sounded like

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone lost it but x?

McGowan was waving like he didn’t know where it was

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Rios has to be stealing here, right?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

same thing happened to Frank last night

but to third

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

how is that an upgrade?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Frank is 2 for 16

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he's 2 for 16 against Bonderman

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but how many of those 14 outs

were tappers back to the pitcher with the bases loaded and no outs?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Inglett is 0 fer against him.....small samples....

Which one you think is likely to improve against Bonderman…

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waist high inside is apparently in at the knees

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone but a catcher probably beats out that throw

maybe not frank

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't decide

if we’re getting really unlucky lately, or we’re just terrible

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 19, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

There is some of both....

Stairs smoked it….Yesterday Thomas smoked one into an out. But you’ve also got guys like Barajas and Inglett helping the pitcher along by swinging at things well off the plate.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice double play

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

12 pitch walk

Where was that in the 2nd?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Is the whole team too worked up when runners are on?

Are they instructed to be more agressive with runners on?

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

At least it was a breaking ball

Swinging at a fastball that bounces, now that would be terrible.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose.....but isn't his batting eye supposed to be what we like about him?

Oh well good job by Inglett….I’d still rather have even a slumping Thomas in the lineup but he showed something.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 19, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

That and his leaning over the plate, I guess

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rayburn is seeing McGowan well today

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

VW not happy with that foul ball

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Walking Stairs

Why don’t we count OBP and/or SLG in our roto league?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Jamie

That was not a hip-check

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

McGowan at 71 pitches

Hopefully he can make it through 7

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That efficient tapper will help

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure how you throw a 96mph fastball that moves like that

even by accident.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

By which I mean, if you could throw that intentionally

nobody would want to face you.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Got ahead and then threw a bunch of balls, all of them fastballs.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They would pinch hit with Inge

and he mauls lefties

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Historically, i think

Doesn’t look so good this year

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just checking in now

The weather in Toronto right now is terrific. Nicest day of the year thus far.

by mark w on Apr 19, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Scoot saves a double

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Well at least if that had been a double

the popup and strikeout wouldn’t have advanced him to third or further.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I want him to steal third

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

another 0 for 3 with RISP

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

So far so good

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

That bloop single is a little worrying

but the second strikeout is nice

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Beej...

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

*gasp*

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If we had won recently I'd take a boring one

Exciting wins are for continuing win streaks, not starting them.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gameday says he threw two sliders

and everything else was fastballs.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

McGowan only struck out one

Is he pitching to contact or just getting contact?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

JotD

All three pitchers, plus… hmm… Rios had the solo homer and was 2 for 4, but he also wasted that at-bat with Hill on second. Wells was only 1 for 4, but he got to second and ‘drove in’ Hill on that fielding error. How much credit do you give to who?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Apr 19, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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