It's Allright, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding - Game 18, Detroit at Toronto
Detroit Tigers at Toronto Blue Jays, Apr 19, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
Now I'm not saying I expected the Jays to win yesterday - not with newcomer David Purcey facing the suddenly exploding Detroit Tigers lineup and the way that junk-balling lefties have made the Jays look lousy at the plate this season. But when the team was up 4-1, I thought for sure they'd be able to make it a close game, at least. I certainly didn't expect our bullpen to immediately give back the 3 run lead and then some more runs for good measure, while our offense simultaneously shut it down for the night.
No one in the Jays' bullpen pitched well yesterday, though at least Downs only made one mistake and then pitched quite well for his 1 2/3 innings. Unfortunately, his mistake was a big one, a first-pitch, two-run HR to Edgar Renteria. The other Jays pitchers were just getting hit, and hard. After Purcey issued 7 free passes in 4 1/3 innings, the other Jays managed not to walk anyone, but Frasor, Tallet, and Accardo were all getting hit quite hard. It was an ugly game, and anytime Mac makes an error on a routine play, you know things are not going your way.
I don't know how much I'll be around today, as I'm taking the little one to the park and then I have rehearsal in the afternoon. So this game thread is going up early, and maybe someone can post the lineups later on. Of course, the game is blocked out anyway. The Jays are really starting to look bad, and for bad measure, they drew the Tigers at what looks like the worst possible time. Today they will turn to Dustin McGowan to stop the rot. Hard thrower Jeremy Bonderman will oppose McGowan. My hope is that Lyle Overbay will not be hitting 6th or 7th, in front of the likes of Scutaro and MacDonald. Other than Rios, Lyle has the highest OBP on the team vs right-handed pitching (.429) and is hitting for no power, so the best spot for him would seem to be 2nd or 3rd. Meanwhile, Frank Thomas is looking terrible these days at the plate and should probably not be batting 5th at the moment.
Saturday Digression:
What's the greatest baseball movie of all time? My answer is John Sayles' Eight Men Out, though you can't go wrong with the Sandlot. Post your opinion in the comments below!
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Baseball Movie
I’ll admit that I haven’t seen some of the more popular baseball movies – Eight Men Out, The Natural, Bull Durham, Ed – but I guess my pick would be the original Bad News Bears. Also, the baseball scenes in For the Love of the Game are great; it’s the rest of the movie that brings it down.
I like Bull Durham
Mostly for the baseball lines….’Never seen anything fly that far before without a waitress’. ‘This is a simple game. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. You throw the ball’. ‘Never use your pitching hand to hit a drunk in a bar.’ Great baseball wisdom.
And Susan Sarandon...if you had no other reason to want to be a baseball p
if you had no other reason to want to be a baseball player…there she was.
haha, isn't Ed
the one with the monkey?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wasn't opening saturday supposed to be blacked out
and it wasn’t? This game doesn’t have the blackout square on mlb.com.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Nope, not blacked out on mlb.tv
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that's good
blacked out on Extra innings, though the Fox game doesn’t start for another 3 hours
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Lineups according to Gameday
Tigers:
C. Thomas, J. Jones, Sheffield, Ordoñez, Cabrera, Guillen, Renteria, Rodríguez, Raburn
Jays:
x, Hill, Rios, Wells, Stairs, Stew, Overbay, Barajas, Scoot
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Scratch Stew
Inglett will play left today, batting ninth. The tail end of the lineup will now go Barajas, Overbay, Scoot, Inglett.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
if this keeps happening
we need Lind. Inglett isn’t much at the plate and has looked awful in limited time in the field.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Apparently
Frank is Benched .
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I hope it's just for a day or two and not to try to get out of the contract for next year....
course it was stupid to sign him to that….
Who would have been a better DH choice last year?
It’s not like we knew Stairs would be as good as he was.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
But what was the better gamble?
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Yeah don't know what the options were....
I would have liked them to just sign him for two but maybe they couldn’t have.
Well obviously Cust was a possibility
because of his minor league deal forcing the Padres(?) organization to release him if another team wanted him for their major league roster.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
21 pitches though
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Popping up a 2-0 pitch is not getting it done.
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Rios goes deep!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
who
was called up to replace Purcey, anyone know?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Shawn Camp
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
thanks
he’d been pitching great in Syracuse if I remember right
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm unimpressed with his 7 ERA in the majors
but it’s better than Accardo is putting up this year.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Double play
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10 pitch inning
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a good start by McGowan would be a big morale boost
but the more pressing problem is the offense, of course
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
The bears with the Jays logo in that display case seem silly
Why not a Teddy Jay?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
would you believe he came up through the minors as a second baseman?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Remember last year
when he stole third straight up?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Only really works if they put Stew on the DL
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
If they wanted Scoot and Mac when Rolen was going to be healthy
then you need a backup for Scoot when he’s full-time, if not a platoon mate.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
or they could wait for Rolen to return
and send down Inglett, no?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
can we please stop batting Barajas ahead of Lyle
who again, is OBPing .429 against righthanded pitching
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
One of those things to defuse the LOOGY
who will go through the order less than once, compared to the starter, who will go through three times or so.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
I don't mind Barajas
but his skillset clearly seems to indicate that he should bat after everyone with a decent shot at getting on base
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
You mean in RBI situations?
or after the game is over?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
.271
Not great, but above ML average.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
he's been okay against rigthies,
terrible against lefties
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nothing wrong with that early.....
had a graphic up about him not hitting since Sept 1 last year….but who cares about last year now, since he was coming back from an injury
Always thought he was ok at first...
would like more power out of 1B…..and I figure he won’t age well….as a little dip will bring him below you’d want for offence at first
Lyle seems to be wiping stuff out of his eyes a lot lately
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Maybe he needs Jason Philips goggles.
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nice...
now we need to keep scoring
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
as opposed to that
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Ugh... 1-2-3 double play
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Jamie makes a big deal out of Eck's BA with runners in scoring position...
Would someone explain small samples to him!!!!!
Rance
actually showed surprising understanding of the small sample size concept in regards to Accardo’s ERA. Of course that’s one situation where it looks like something is actually very wrong and it’s not just small sample.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm sure
we’ll have lots more bases-loaded no-out situations this game. i mean, it’s not like we’re going to start randomly flailing away at every pitch for the rest of the game….
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
quite the play by Eckstein
it sounded like
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Everyone lost it but x?
McGowan was waving like he didn’t know where it was
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Rios has to be stealing here, right?
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same thing happened to Frank last night
but to third
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yeah that's why I was a little sad they are sitting him...he has hit the ball hard at times...
and having Inglett in for him isn’t going to help the offense
exactly
how is that an upgrade?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I meant Frank is 2 for 16
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Well he's 2 for 16 against Bonderman
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but how many of those 14 outs
were tappers back to the pitcher with the bases loaded and no outs?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
And Inglett is 0 fer against him.....small samples....
Which one you think is likely to improve against Bonderman…
Waist high inside is apparently in at the knees
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Anyone but a catcher probably beats out that throw
maybe not frank
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
I can't decide
if we’re getting really unlucky lately, or we’re just terrible
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
There is some of both....
Stairs smoked it….Yesterday Thomas smoked one into an out. But you’ve also got guys like Barajas and Inglett helping the pitcher along by swinging at things well off the plate.
Eckstein...bases loaded, two out against a guy with control trouble....
swings at the first pitch that was low…..but he’s Scrappy which is all important.
Also his .380 OBP so far
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Nice double play
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If Stewart is hurt....why not DL him...having Lind would be a nice thing.
Stewart spends a lot of time on the DL each year
12 pitch walk
Where was that in the 2nd?
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Is the whole team too worked up when runners are on?
Are they instructed to be more agressive with runners on?
At least it was a breaking ball
Swinging at a fastball that bounces, now that would be terrible.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
I suppose.....but isn't his batting eye supposed to be what we like about him?
Oh well good job by Inglett….I’d still rather have even a slumping Thomas in the lineup but he showed something.
That and his leaning over the plate, I guess
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Rayburn is seeing McGowan well today
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I'm scared to ask
3 of what?
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Runs runs.....should have picked a different number....was going to say 4 but thought that was too much to ask for....
Whew
Not groin injuries then.
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I don't think we have a backup for Inglett
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Patience... patience... patience
now SWINGSWINGSWING!
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VW not happy with that foul ball
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Walking Stairs
Why don’t we count OBP and/or SLG in our roto league?
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Sorry Jamie
That was not a hip-check
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McGowan at 71 pitches
Hopefully he can make it through 7
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That efficient tapper will help
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Not sure how you throw a 96mph fastball that moves like that
even by accident.
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By which I mean, if you could throw that intentionally
nobody would want to face you.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
It's a bit late to be advertising 50% off for school groups on Monday
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Frank doesn't hit many of those
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The worst squeeze bunt EVAR
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I know it's a squeeze
but can’t Inglett see that it’s popped up and try to get back?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
They would pinch hit with Inge
and he mauls lefties
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Historically, i think
Doesn’t look so good this year
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Yeah, .924OPS vs. LHP last year
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102 pitches, right?
I figure he must be
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Gameday says Downs is in
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Just checking in now
The weather in Toronto right now is terrific. Nicest day of the year thus far.
At least Venezuelans of Italian descent
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Scoot saves a double
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Well at least if that had been a double
the popup and strikeout wouldn’t have advanced him to third or further.
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I want him to steal third
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another 0 for 3 with RISP
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So far so good
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That bloop single is a little worrying
but the second strikeout is nice
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C'mon Beej...
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*gasp*
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
If we had won recently I'd take a boring one
Exciting wins are for continuing win streaks, not starting them.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
Gameday says he threw two sliders
and everything else was fastballs.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
McGowan only struck out one
Is he pitching to contact or just getting contact?
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JotD
All three pitchers, plus… hmm… Rios had the solo homer and was 2 for 4, but he also wasted that at-bat with Hill on second. Wells was only 1 for 4, but he got to second and ‘drove in’ Hill on that fielding error. How much credit do you give to who?
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

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