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Down to the Bottom of the Sea: Game 39, Jays at the Indians of Cleveland

Toronto Blue Jays at Cleveland Indians, May 11, 2008 1:05 PM EDT




If you actually watched the entire game on Saturday, you're a far better man than I. I got in from my gig at around 8:30, saw the Jays down 12-0, and immediately put in a Netflix (The Fisher King, which I liked a lot). Between that and the bad news regarding Wells, things are looking pretty bad right now. Newcomers Wilkerson and Mench haven't exactly lit things up. Once the 10 days have passed, I hope the Jays send someone down and recall Lind - the way the offense is going, it's not like Lind can make it any worse, so we might as well give him some regular MLB at-bats and see if he shows himself to be a major-league hitter, since he will be 25 in July.

I won't be around for the game today, as it's Mother's Day and I have a feeling Mrs. Hugo might prefer, well, pretty much anything to watching the Jays flail uselessly against another left-handed pitcher. The Jays will throw Shaun Marcum, while the Indians counter with Cliff Lee, who is pitching even better this season than Marcum is. Maybe that drubbing will wake something up in the Jays, who knows? At the very least, ruining their pythagorean record will hide their pathetic performance in the clutch.

Update: 5.12.2008: Let's go ahead and use this game thread for this afternoon's 4 pm game. Torgen is, as usual, right on the mark, and I jumped the gun one start. It's A.J. Burnett against Fausto Carmona this afternoon, and then the 2nd half of the trad. doubleheader will be the Marcum-Lee matchup.

 

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Today is Burnett vs. Carmona

Marcum vs. Lee is tomorrow.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Now that's shaking up the lineup

Wilkerson, Hill, Rios, Rolen, Stairs, Overbay, Scutaro, Barajas, Inglett (in LF)

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

And it's raining

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting that the games in Detroit and Pittsburgh have been called already

and in Cleveland they’re trying to wait it out.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, now they've called it

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh joy, it's going to be a regular-style doubleheader

not the day-night kind.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 11, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Try as in try to be somewhere where you can watch it?

Or try as in try not to be repulsed by what you see?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I like what they've done with the starting staff

Put in young guys and watch them improve….course I guess that wasn’t the plan last year….the old, used to be good pitchers they signed got hurt and they had to use the young guys…..now the hitters are getting hurt and they search out older used to be good players.

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

1-2-3 in the first for the Jays

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen takes a walk....

Lets see how Stairs does against Carmona’s fastball….

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Grounds into a double play

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we stop pulling the ball yet?

At least Stairs’ GIDP ball was up the middle.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Scoot's been so hot

I thought he should be leading off. At least until he cools off again.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against lefties, anyways.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inglett can't swing on a hit and run

and Barajas makes it back to the bag.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

What was that?

is there some law that says we have to have a runner thrown out on the bases every game…...just made it back

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Well the ball was below his knees and inside

Not much swing you can put on that

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

RISP time!

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

0 for 1

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

0 for 2

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

another K for AJ

5 now…..what’s the most K’s in a game for the Jay’s this year?

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I woudl assume so

Carmona is a ground ball machine.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios singles into the Bermuda Triangle

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

The opposite field Bermuda Triangle, no less

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by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios not running

but breaks up the double play.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Another fly ball for Wilk

this one almost not caught.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

AJ lucked out

That was almost game over.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

And that's game over.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Stairs breaks up the double play

because we have enough of those already. Overbay, why are you pulling the ball?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

RISP time!

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

0 for 3

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

AJ walks Hafner

Here comes the 5 run inning.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

At least you can fiddle with the rotation because of the doubleheader

because you’re going to have to get a spot start from someone, so you can give AJ the extra day of rest by having Marcum pitch the day after that.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

They're going to get the same amount of rest regardless of when the game ends

and anyways, it’s not like they’re going to have to stand on bases or run between them.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably should be

Fangraphs is charging him for Rolen getting thrown out at third, which is why it has him as a negative. Anyways, in theory Burnett should be too, because 3 runs over 7+ is usually really good.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

fangraphs.com

Under scoreboard, clikc ‘live scoreboard’. Clicking the graph for one of the games will give you each player’s WPA for the game. You can also get a log of the value of each play.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My prediction

Cliff Lee throws a perfect game. Marcum throws a no-hitter, but loses because of a Scutaro throwing error allowing a runner to go to third, later scoring on a sac fly.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that great homestand?

We just erased it.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I have a bad feeling about the rest of this season.....

It isn’t so bad watching a team lose when they are young players and you think they’ll improve, but we is losing with old guys and they ain’t going to get better.

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leaders in helping us lose Stewart, Stairs and Barajas....

always thought the proof of a stat was it it tells you what your eyes see….this one is a good one…..

by Tom Dakers on May 12, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you looking at the same list I am?

http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Blue%20Jays&season=2008
The leader in helping us lose is Aaron Hill.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 12, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading the BRAA

In Hill’s case there is a big difference between the two ratings….wonder why that is? Hill is third best in BRAA and team worse in WPA. Both ratings agree that Stairs has had an awful start to the season.

by Tom Dakers on May 13, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

DIfference between BRAA and WPA means clutch

or lack thereof.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on May 13, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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