Jesse is a Friend and He's Always Been a Good Friend of Mine: Game 32, Pale Hose at Jays
by hugo on May 4, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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Chicago White Sox at Toronto Blue Jays, May 4, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
Don't look now, but our azure-coloured heroes have won 3 in a row and are looking to inch closer to .500 today against the White Sox. The Jays took yesterday's game behind an extremely strong performance by Jesse Litsch, a good day at the plate by Vernon Wells, and Marco Scutaro's first homerun of the season. Litsch was wonderful, yielding only 5 hits over 7 1/3 innings, striking out 3 while walking no one, and surrendering just 2 runs, both on solo shots.
After Litsch, who is now 4-1, left the game, Downs and Ryan kept things close, finishing out the game with 3 Ks, no walks, and just one single off Ryan. It's good to see Downs pitching effectively, and Ryan still has yet to yield a run.
Today, Doc Halladay faces off against Jose Contreras. Halladay has tossed 4 consecutive complete games but, due to horrid run support (8 runs over those 4 games), has lost the last 3 of them. The Jays really need to score some runs in support of Doc today.
I did end up going to the Nats game yesterday afternoon (hence my not being around), and it was pretty great - beautiful warm weather and an exciting game. There was a sizable contingent of Jays fans in my section, visiting DC from Canada, so that was fun. The only thing was that the game dragged a bit with all the offense. Let's go Jays!
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This one's on WGN
but I’ll stick with Jamie and Rance, because I can’t stand The Hawk.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Swisher strikes out
AT&T finally upgraded their network so I can get 2.5Mbps DSL, but the 1.2Mbps stream is choppy. I miss the old Windows Media based mlb.tv. The new Silverlight client is terrible.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that sucks
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera strikes out too
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc strikes out the side
Now about that run support.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jays go 1-2-3
with a strikeout, a groundout, and a fly ball.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two grounders with a strikeout between for Doc
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaun McGowan?
Nice one, Rance.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he's a Pogues fan?
that would bring it a bit closer
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc looks pretty vicious thusfar
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stairs with the leadoff double
breaking up the no-hitter.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RISP time!
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 for 1
Wells moves Stairs up to third.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lyle with the sac fly
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Hill with the 2 out double
so it’s still RISP time!
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 for 2
Lind grounds to first.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One pitch, one out from Quentin
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
we’re ahead of Doc’s last start
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crede sees a few more pitches
but ultimately grounds out to x.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another good inning for Doc
hope we can put some more pressure on Contreras
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ozuna out on a chopper to Rolen
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zaun with the leadoff single
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A bit off topic but...
I was at the game yesterday and I got to wondering how the roof impacts the park factor of the Dome. It seems to me that it probably plays fairly neutral (~100 park factor) in both cases, but a bit more favourable to pitchers with the dome open.
Anyone care to shed some light on the issue?
by SuckaMD on May 4, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With it open, the overhanging part causes downdrafts
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are downdrafts better for pitchers or hitters (I would think pitchers). Does anyone know what the park factor ratings are?
by SuckaMD on May 4, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would knock down fly balls
which would help the pitcher.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for the park factors
it’s interesting. I think at RC there has been a ton of variation. Historically, it had been a hitter-friendly park, but last season it played heavily pitcher-friendly, so there has been a fair amount of variation over the years.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on May 4, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've also always wondered
How (if at all) do park factor ratings account for variabilities in home-team ability. E.g. if the home team is good-pitching but poor hitting (like the ‘07 Jays), that would tend to depress the number of runs scored in the park that season. How is this accounted for?
As another example, I was discussing Orel Hershiser’s 1988 season (59 consecutive scoreless innings) and my friend mentioned that he might have been aided by pitching in Dodger Stadium. The one-year park factor mentioned on baseball-reference shows Dodger Stadium (by conventional wisdom known as a pitcher’s haven) shows that it actually played as a hitter’s park that year. Could this be acounted for by the fact that the home team was a good deal above average in terms of offensive production that year?
by SuckaMD on May 4, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an interesting question
I’m not sure if the park factor is determined just by comparing production in a park to the mean (which would, as you say, be skewed by home team pitching and batting performance), or whether it is determined by comparing the home team’s hitting and pitching in other parks to the home park (which presumably wouldn’t).
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios doubles, Zaun to third
RISP time!
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 for 3 with the x groundout
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0 for 4 on the Rolen lineout
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 for 5 with the 2 run double
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 for 6 with the Wells flare to CF
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Wells to second on the throw
so it’s still RISP time
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 for 7 on the Overbay strikeout
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jays are hitting Contreras pretty hard
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they were really tagging him last inning....but to be fair there was a blown call at second.
Rios was tagged and should have been out….would have changed the inning.
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
Eckstein definitely didn’t hit it well and the Jays were fortunate on that call
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher breaks up the no-no with the ground rule double
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny that it's called a ground rule double
when it’s in effect in all ballparks.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
x with the throwing error
pulling Overbay off the bag
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Sunday and a Doc start and Johnny Mac isn't playing
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game last night...did Mac play with Listch pitching?
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it won't happen but I'd like Mac playing when Listch and Doc are throwing
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why with Litsch?
I thought he was more of a flyball pitcher than most of the other starters?
by SuckaMD on May 4, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year he was a GB pitcher
I think this year his splits are more even, and his K rate is up.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Litsch hasn't gotten as many grounders earlier this season
b/c his sinker hasn’t been working effectively. Now that it seems to be working well again, I’d expect more grounders, like last season.
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome singles to center
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Konerko with the double over Rolen's head
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now there is a txt question for you....who is your favorite Ontario bred band?
Watching the Chicago feed.
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does the Band count?
I also like Kathleen Edwards and Metric quite a bit. Lately I’ve been listening to plenty of the Constantines as well.
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye strikes out
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RBI grounders for Pierzynski
That’s the 2ER… any more and the streak is broken.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if the runner at third scores, is it unearned?
Because the inning would be over if not for the error.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm WGN feed has me confused...had the score 4-3 before the ground out.....
but it’s 4-3 now….
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc plunks Quentin
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any that score after that ground out wouldn't be earned...
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh right, since the second out drove in a run, only one is earned.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crede flies to center to strand 2
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that only his second K this year?
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozuna strikes out on 3 pitches
I think that’s his 8th pitch in 2 games.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a little too close for comfort
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc's at 75 pitches
I don’t think he’s going to make it to complete game #5. Of course if he has innings like that one the rest of the way then he could.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 grounders to the right side
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc doesn't want them hitting at Eck?
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only cause the grounder, you can't aim it
unless you’re Maddux.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very quick inning for Doc....83 pitches after 6 makes you think he might go 9
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially when the last two were 15 combined.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh can hope it out some.....But was mostly a joke....and I don't want balls hit at Eck
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Going to miss the end of the game...Taking my boys to see Iron Man
Why they’d want to see a movie about a guy taking the wrinkles out of his shirts, I don’t know.
by Tom Dakers on May 4, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love those first pitch outs.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
except when they happen to us
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crowd cheers for pizza
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lind looked a bit awkward on that
but at least he made the catch
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After Crede's 10 pitch AB, Doc is at 98
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what was Lind swinging at?
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fooled badly on some breaking balls
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand the last one, but he was way too aggressive 0-1
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the kind of at-bat
that gets you benched/sent down
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy Carlson warming
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And after Ozuna grounds out, Gibby pulls Doc at 101 pitches.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess
if Carlson can finish this inning, we’ll have Accardo to close
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Carlson gets Cabrera, Thome will be leading off the 9th
so maybe Carlson will face him too.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlson strikes out Swisher
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera singles off Rolen's glove
so Carlson will get his chance against Thome right now.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Er, doubles.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy
with the K of Thome on three straight
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikes out Thome
That’s a good .2IP from Carlson
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be nice
to get another run or two, but the way we’ve hit over the past few innings, it doesn’t seem too likely
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, we go 1-2-3 again
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 pitch, 1 out for Accardo
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dye flies to center for the second out
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Gibby out to ask Downs for the 1 out save.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with Frasor waiting in the wings
should AJ get on.
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we feel nervous about it being Frasor?
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with Camp as the only other righty option, I guess not...
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camp has been great so far
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he has
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downs does the job
got a little help from the ump on a 1-0 pitch
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The streak is at 8!
Tying the ‘91 Royals and the ‘88 Tigers (I think I said).
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 in a row
it should feel better than it does, but it still feels pretty good
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course the Yankees and Red Sox are winning
so we might gain no ground from this win streak.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JotD
Doc (.276), Stairs (.193), Accardo (.130)
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jays of the Day
Doc, Stairs, and I suppose Accardo, though really the pen should share one
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by hugo on May 4, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it pink bat day?
I don’t remember Jamie and Rance mentioning it, but it was a fast game.
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait, that's next week
Good thing I haven’t called my parents yet
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by Torgen on May 4, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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