Game Thread for Game 99, Toronto at Orioles
by Tom Dakers on Jul 21, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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PrintGuess I had Radhames Liz' name backwards yesterday....whoops....is better this way. Neither pitcher has done well of late, though we do have a habit of turning every pitcher we see into Bob Gibson, but we hit well yesterday. Hoping Litsch turns it around soon, we need him.
Slightly different batting order today, Eck is in playing short and batting 9th. I'd rather him batting second over Scoot. He is fun to watch, taking the little run up to throw to first. I really don't think his defense is any worse than Scoot's at short. Stairs, finally has been removed from the cleanup spot. Overbay is in, maybe he can add to his league lead in grounding into double plays. I'd like Cito to move Lind down in the lineup but can't have everything and as long as he keeps Wilk out I'm happy. The unfortunate problem for our team is that somebody has to hit at the top of the order, if they all could hit in the 7 thru 9 spots life would be good.
Marcum comes off the DL to pitch tomorrow night. Can put your guess for who goes down in the comments.
I get to watch today's game so join me in the game thread tonight. Let the battle for last begin.
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Good stuff
We need guys to start coming off the DL
Do you know
what the problem is with Hill? And what’s the official word on McGowan? Sorry, I should know these things but I haven’t been watching much lately
Also
A friend of mine (regular on Let’s Go Tribe, Indians SB Nation blog) has long expressed fascination with the Jays’ recent inability to keep their pitchers healthy. Discounting Doc’s freak DL-trips (batted ball to the leg, appendicitis), we have Ryan and League from last year, now McGowan, Marcum, Janssen, and the rest of the RH relief crew. But not only do they get hurt, but the injuries seem to come out of nowhere, with no indication of problems from the front office. It sometimes (e.g. BJ last year) even seems like the organization actively tries to conceal injuries, and then the guy goes down for an extended period.
Even with the position players, you had the Wells thing last year where there was clearly a problem with his shoulder and they wouldn’t shut him down, and now Hill who has been out for weeks from what appeared to be a simple concussion.
What do you think about this? Is it just bad luck or do you think there is a systemic thing going on?
They do try to hide how bad the unjuries are...have no idea why.
Other than JP can’t seem to tell the truth on anything.
I’m not sure that they have more pitcher hurt than most teams….
I don't think that's going to get much better
with Gaston at the helm. Wasn’t that a major criticism of Cito during his first tenure?
On the bright side
Lind, with his .350 BA since his recall, may be on his way to fulfilling my prediction from two years ago that he will be the 2010 AL MVP
Agreed
But with this team, I’m happy seeing anything put in play (that isn’t a GIDP)
Another double for Rios
Though I think Jones could/should have had it
We can hope
but I need a couple more games worth of evidence before I get back on the wagon
Don't know
The best I can think of is that Rios has a green light to go when he wants, so there wouldn’t have been a steal sign on for Overbay to anticipate. And then he wasn’t paying attention and couldn’t get going in time to move up.
Doesn’t excuse Overbay’s play, but it may be an explanation
Who's on the trade block
we’re shopping AJ. Any word on interest/possibilities?
We could just
call up Snider now. He cant be any worse than the DH’s we’re trotting out now, can he?
More funny than fun if you ask me
and not funny in a good way
No
but part of that is Overbay at first. He does put a ton of throws in the dirt, and he can’t make the throw from the hole to his right. He’s fine if he can get in front of the grounder (and he has good instincts which make up for his arm somewhat), but moving to his right or having to hurry the throw he doesn’t get much on the ball.
Ya, I buy that
Scoot has a better arm, but I saw some fielding metrics a while ago that showed Scrappy was one of the tops in the league in reaching balls.
Case in point
infield single for Adam Jones on a ball hit to Eck’s right. Not saying every SS in the league would have made that play, but lots would have.
Well that's largely what happens
when you have a 2B playing RF
I'm not sure it's a great idea
to be moving guys around the infield (especially young guys) just because your other players happen to be not very good. Especially when you aren’t competing this season (and let’s be honest, that ship has long sailed) you need guys to develop at the positions where they will provide the most benefit in the future. And Inglett does not project at SS.
E.g. before last season, some were advocating moving Hill to SS to fill the gap. But he had been tried at SS before (rookie year I think) and he provides more benefit at 2B, so I really think they made the right choice to leave him there, even having to watch him play next to Clayton
He may have played SS in the past
but does he project as a legit starting major league SS?
yeah not sure....but I'd like to see for myself I guess....not sure why he's not a SS.....
might become apparent if we saw him play there I guess
Ok
You talked me into it. Joe Inglett for SS!!!
What's the deal with Campbell?
How old is he? How many years in the minors?
I never heard anything about him until a few months ago. Is he actually ready for the bigs, even in call-up form?
Campbell is 23 at AA ball....was batting .341 with a .436 on base...this is a couple of weeks back....
he’s number 11 on our top 10 prospect list….though I think the list needs a going over….
At the same time
Given that the season isn’t going anywhere, why not put Inglett in there just for the hell of it?
Last you said it was 2 for 5
Though there may have been a couple in between
Whatever it was
Rios flies out, so its 0 for 1 more
We had great RH relievers at the start of the season
At least I thought we did. Janssen, Wolfe and Accardo were all coming off great years.
Last season it looked like the Shea trade would turn out to be a huge steal
Now, I’m not so sure
True
but getting a better player in trade for a guy who would have been traded for a bag of baseball would have proven that JP is actually moderately capable of doing his job
If I could have 10 questions for JP Scott Campbell would be at the top.....why not?
course since the man can’t tell the truth at all really wouldn’t matter
Ah, the good old days
when there was AAA baseball in Canada. I wouldn’t know, since I grew up in Toronto, but I imagine it was good times.
California League team in Calgary?
Isn’t that a bit of a trek for road trips? And what level is that? How can low-minors teams afford all that travel?
I always kind of assumed that the reason AAA baseball failed in Canada is because of the travel cost and issues, but maybe not seeing as lower-level ball apparently works.
That makes sense
Is the Edmonton team still the Trappers? I saw a game when I was in Edmonton in grade 12 (2002), when they were still AAA, and Pat Borders was the starting catcher for the visitors. Gave him a standing O and he waved at us.
he manages one of the teams....the calgary team gave $10,000 to his charity to sign for 7 innings....was great...got him to sign a ball and have a picture of me with him....was a my fav as a kid....
only expo cap in the hall of fame….got to say a few words to him
Maybe not the only one for long
if Tim Raines gets in
I also think Dawson should be in
But the Cubs would have an argument for him as well.
For all the talent on those early-mid-80s Expos teams, you would have thought they could actually make the playoffs a couple times.
yeah they should have....was often the stupid things....
had some amazing players then a guy that really couldn’t play at 2B or ss
Ya
But they should have been able to win in years other than ‘81.
yeah but if you look at the crap that played 2b and ss....evened things out from the great players at some of the other spots
and the bench was always awful
I'll take your word on that one
I wasn’t exactly born in 1981, so I don’t have first hand knowledge of the team and their construction. I just always thought that with the guys I do know from that team, they should have been better
well Philles and Pirates had some good teams in that era too....Steve Carlton, Willie Stargell...
trying to make me feel old? I remember ‘Blue Monday’ so well
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