Game Thread for Game 90, Orioles at Toronto
by Tom Dakers on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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PrintBaltimore Orioles at Toronto Blue Jays, Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
The first game of a three game set against the Orioles, McGowan vs. Cabrera. If the Jays sweep the series they can be tied with the O's for 4th place. McGowan pitches well at home but Cabrera is coming off a complete game win over the Royals. Cabrera had an 0-3 June with a 7.06 ERA in June.
Our lineup:
Inglett, 2B
Scoot, SS
Rios,RF
Wells, CF
Stairs, DH
Rolen, 3B
Barajas, C
Overbay, 1B
Lind, LF
Stairs is back in there after sitting for a few days. Over/under for Jay's hits with RISP? 3.
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Roberts pops out to start the game.
I’m happy a) to get to watch a game or at least most of a game and b) that Rance Muliniks isn’t the color guy
A's traded Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin to the Cubs!
Pitcher Gallagher, Outfielder Matt Murton, Infielder Eric Patterson and catcher Josh Donaldson going to Oakland…..I thought the A’s would be a buyer.
Even though it's pretty cliche by now
I wouldn’t second guess any move made by Billy Beane.
Not knowing anything about the prospects the A’s got, I’m not really sure that they really gave up all that much. Yes, Harden has shown flashes of ace-type-stuff, but he is oft-injured and has never put together a full season (Only season with >150IP is 2004, when he put up an ERA+ of 114). As I recall of Gaudin when he was a Jays prospect, he was projected to be not much more than a #3 or so starter. Good move for the Cubs, who are willing to gamble a bit to make a run this year, but I bet the A’s thought that they weren’t going to get substantially better waiting for these two guys. They must figure that stocking the farm with what I can only assume are pretty good prospects is a better move.
Well I tuned in to an error by Rolen
Makes my heart swell with optimism!
I thought he was out too
but replay showed it was a good call
Ditto
Who would I have thought we’d be having that thought at the All-Star break.
Is Scott Campbell a hot prospect?
His autograph is right next to Inglett’s on my spring training ball.
And not even posted in the right thread
I will go hide somewhere now
haha
I was speaking strictly metaphorically. Its a shame this blog doesn’t have the strong traffic that some of the other SBNation ones do. Its a great site.
We must be flying past the team season dp record
Though I imagine that the MLB record is something crazier big
For the first month or so, I was sure it was just bad luck
Now I suppose its lack of skill – but in a strange way I can’t put my finger on.
I think everyone could have been juicing
In all seriousness though, it seems to me that he has returned to his habit of lifting his head and swinging at bad pitches that limited his effectiveness at the beginning of his career. He managed to avoid this for the most part last year, and increased his walk totals and became a more complete hitter. Seems to me like he has reverted to past form, with similar results.
I think that part of the value of juicing could be that it makes you think you are a great power hitter....
the mind is an amazing thing…..
Yeah I agree
He’s been seeing the ball terribly, and just seems to be a little bit a head of the ball. I think I heard someone talking about his feet being a bit off balance.
I have this part of me that doesn’t want to believe the entire Jays team was juicing these past few years.
yeah...I don't want to think so....just seems like Rios power came from no where.....
same with Hill’s…..and Clemen’s ummmm pusher was in toronto when he started
Well, I dont think Rios ever looked comfortable after that freak staph infection
But yeah, last year’s power numbers just kind of came out of the blue
I read an interesting article on Slate a while back
where the author speculated (he provided no evidence, but it sounds at least as plausible as most conspiracy theories) that steroids may have been part of the success of Moneyball. One of the tenets of moneyball is that good hitters become good power hitters, but the opposite is true. Perhaps the widespread use of steroids is what caused players to so predictably become better power hitters as they developed. Whether or not A’s managment was consciously or acutely aware that it was steroids that were causing the effect, if the theory is true then steroids would have been a major contributor to the A’s success as documented in Moneyball. And with Giambi and Tejada as two of the high profile players heavily implicated in steroid scandals, maybe there’s something to it. I am in no way a conspiracy theorist, but I thought it was some interesting speculation.
It was a pretty good pitch
Just a way better hit – wish the Jays were hitting like that
yeah, they certainly were
and they share our dashed hopes of a presumed dark horse team thats gone nowhere fast
there were a few posts from Seattle guys in the game thread from the day before that, I thought, were in very bad taste...
but I wasn’t in the room at the time….so all I could do was delete and flag them a few days later
the same guys that were over here?
I imagine with a certain fanbase, you get all types and have to start monitoring more. happens on every community site. I used to read through bluejayway once in a blue moon, and the sort of mindless flame wars that could start there were ridiculous
course during the thread someone said something and then someone else said that would get you banned at their area....
I had to mention it was my first day and I didn’t know how to ban someone
hahahaha
You never think of it when you surf or read, but I’ve run a few websites, and the craziest stuff happens.
But you seem like you’re doing a great job.
Well trying to figure out how to do things and keep it going till Hugo gets back......
I think when he gets back it will be easier on him if there are a couple of people running things
Do either of you guys ever frequent other Jays blogs?
Have you ever tried to rectuit game-threaders from other blogs that don’t host game threads (e.g. battersbox.ca)?
I actually found battersbox before I found BBB
But I stopped going because I wanted a site that did game threads. I learned about this site from a friend who is a regular on Let’s Go Tribe (Indians SB Nation blog). They are crazy over there.
Yeah I looked around abit and some of the threads get like 800 comments....
but some get a lot of pictures and crap and I’m hoping we don’t get that….
They aren't even speculating about it
Which I find even stranger.
Wonder if they'll go with Parrish for that last start before the break to give him 10 days or so of rest
Or who knows, at this point with this team, he’ll have emergency Tommy John next week. I don’t trust anything or anyone.
What sort of traffic do you get?
Are does SBNation not give you traffic stats
well, I imagine there have got to be a whole bunch of people out there
yeah thats a good number for a poll – wonder if you can use google analytics and the like, probably not since its a central site – but I’m sure someone is keeping careful analytics of traffic at SBnation
you get two or three more people here
and you suddenly have a good healthy discussion
on the bright side...
you don’t have to worry anymore about missing the first walk-off win of the season
I dunno
infield prospects of some sort…but I cant think of anyone realistic we’d get for him. Also increasingly unsure which team wants to deal with AJ
I a very worried about 3b long term
Particularly because the odds are Rolen goes on DL this year or next, and then is basically done
yeah, I'm excited for Ahrens
but secretly afraid we’re not going to get 3 out of Rolen
no, I just voted late in the game 'cause I didn't notice the poll
Dont think you can double vote
Yay Rod....with all the players that have been disappointments this Rod has been a surprise....
I could really have seen him going to the All-Star game
good wood by overbay
but not enough…caught at the warning track
yeah its weird
some of your comments show up right away, and others like the whole set above have a 3-4 minute lag. Thought you had left and weren’t giving the play-by-play.
Sorry.
and lind singles right by robarts...
is there life in this team yet
well, everything good has got to end...
Barajas grounds out weakly
and rolen makes an off-balance play
1-2-3 for Downs
Overbay slices a fly-ball out to left field
Still continues to unimpress
which means its time for BJ Ryan
Perhaps its just me, but everytime BJ is on the field, I get nervous – his numbers just seem way better than he seems when he actually pitches
with Roberts up, boy, BJ is looking sharp tonight
Take back my nervousness
Have the Jays
had any walk off wins this year?
no - nada zip zilch
which given they’ve played 90 games is an absolutely depressing statistic
Despite the Jays' best efforts
Took a little help from Fred Bynum at SS, but we’ll take it
And they finally mention McGowan - apparently has a sore shoulder and will have an MRI tomorrow
bad news that tempers my otherwise good mood
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