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Toronto Blue Jays at Detroit Tigers, Aug 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT




 

After looking great against Oakland and terrible against Cleveland, the Jays hope for better luck in Motown this week.  Shaun Marcum faces off against Justin Verlander in the first game of the series, with Marcum hoping to build on a great performance last time out (7 innings, took a no-hitter into the 6th, 1 run on a Bobby Crosby solo shot, 2 walks, and 7 Ks).  Of course, Oakland's offense doesn't exactly stack up to Detroit's, so we'll see how it goes. 

Maybe you heard about Gary Sheffield's whinging recently.  Apparently Sheffield told the Boston Globe that he didn't like DH-ing because it makes it hard to be a team leader.  Another thing that makes it tough - being a surly a-hole and complaining about your role on the team to an out-of-town newspaper for no other reason than it is a huge media market, and making $14 million while OPSing below .700. Let me just say that I am not a fan of Sheff's. 

I am, however, a big Vernon Wells fan, and I am very happy to see him out there in CF again for the first time in too long.  Stay healthy and play well, Vern!

My final thought - for how long can we keep hitting Stairs in the middle of the lineup?  What did Lyle do to earn hitting 8th while Stairs is producing less but batting 5th?  Do we really need to have Scoot batting 2nd? 

Out to run, be back for the game.  Let's go Jays!!!!

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pretty crazy right?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcum

gives up two two-out hits, but gets Cabrera to weakly ground out to end the inning

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wells with the hustling

he wanted his first hit back. On the plus side, he ripped that pretty well

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's see if Barajas

can not hit into a DP to kill this rally

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice!

RBI single and the Jays have an early lead

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good baserunning by Matty

to score on Lind’s liner

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep 2-0

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's not get crazy

what do you think we are, a major-league baseball team?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcum gets the whiner

and Hugo is happy

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

heh

the guy deliberately made errors to get himself traded. no, not a fan

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we'll do it anyway

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be willing to spend some coin

if we could get Furcal though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he fits in perfectly in other words

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously though

your chance at getting an all-star quality SS on the free-agent market is pretty slim, particularly one who won’t need to sign for too many years. and I’m so tired of the Jays SS woes

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've suggested that in the past

but I think the Jays have decided against it. Who knows if Hill will even be back?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we could trade Rolen

I’d try using Campbell at 2nd and Hill at 3rd with a little help from Inglett. Hill played well at 3rd before and the Jays would save a lot of money which they could use on a SS or pitcher

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I think a healthy Hill and Inglett

might be able to about equal Rolen’s production, though maybe Rolen will be stronger next season.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're likely right

we definitely couldn’t get anything much for him. but I bet we could get a team to take him on. There are a lot of bad NL teams that need a 3rd baseman

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely would ahve to pay him. I don't know...

I can’t see what people would trade for him….he hasn’t been good in a long time

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we had a 3B close to ready in the minors I wouldn't mind having him.....

but since we don’t, is tough paying him that much. I would doubt he’ll ever get to 15 home runs again

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we gave up Glaus for him

and his stock shouldn’t be any lower now than it was when we made the trade, right? he had a better year this year and was healthier than last season, and now he’s owed less money

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.....another injury prone season

and I’m not sure that anyone else would have made a deal for him.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could be right about that

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's weird, he didn't used to be

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds great

but I just got finished making some homemade pesto

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

homemade pizza is the best.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inge

gets the Tigers on the board.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marcum hung that pitch a bit

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marcum walks Mags

and 2 on, 2 out again for Cabrera.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marcum gets him to ground out

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rios walks

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vernon with another line drive hit

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lind hits another one extremely well

but again it is caught

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was a little silly

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st and 2nd with no outs I like

since it moves 2 runners up and takes away the DP. but just a runner on 2nd is kinda dumb

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depending on who is batting and what the score is of course

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not if you can bunt it down the third base line

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's definitely the better way to go

but the last two seasons of watching the Jays have scarred me. We get 1st and 2nd and no out and it doesn’t even feel like we’re threatening

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

course last night mac hits, scoot beats out a bunt....I figure if mac can hit anyone can...

but they get the number two batter to bunt….he telegraphs it….they get the force then the double play ball

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rios

reaches the 50-RBI plateau

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

I think it’s fair to blame some of it on the team, no?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, a lot on the team...

not only do we lose we are boring when we lose.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and a couple of the ones that do come in are busy lately

Suckamd is studying…and a couple of the others are busy

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Rod goes deep

heh

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not sure

but I don’t think so. what do you mean?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona

traded for Dunn

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

crushed that

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon Shaun

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

gets Sheff

to pop up to Mac

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marcum's done for the day

he got his hugs, well deserved for a job well-done though not perfect, this is a dangerous lineup

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

quick inning

League for the 7th?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

I’m a big fan. having someone who can throw mid/high 90s AND get beacoup ground balls is pretty handy

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is crazy

how the Jays lost their setup man and closer from last season for basically the whole year and their pen has still been as good as it has

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sweet inning from League

2 Ks and a comebacker

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so who's our starting catcher next season?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do we just let Zaun

one more vet we sign, Diaz, and Thigpen fight it out in the spring for the two jobs?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arencibia still needs another season or so in the minors, I think

I’m up for giving Jeroloman a shot with the others. I wouldn’t mind resigning Barajas either

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, sorry

that’s what I meant

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was great last season too

I just hope we’re not overusing him. does he really need to pitch when we’re up by 5?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's had some days off right.....yeah I think he is over used....

course if he only throws 7 pitches….and we need this one.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

when you can do it in 7 pitches, why not?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is fun to watch one of our players

continue to play great AFTER signing an extension though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

sadly, Doc is the only other recent one who comes to mind

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it ever

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has looked better at the plate recently

I think playing regularly helps

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I'd like to think he could hit 250 if he was left in.....

but then he was awful in the field the other day…..

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B.J. time

let’s end it quickly

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think so, now that I think about it

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the other thing I wanted to do before but didn't know how was to move some of the widgets around

and add some. Eric did it for me but would have liked if he had told me how.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fixed the Jays of the Day

I had to go into the html coding and fix the code

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the widgets, I just go into the manage layout and you can literally drag the widgets around

and hit preview to see how it looks. when you’re happy with the new layout, save changes. To add, there is a little menu at the very bottom of the layout screen, where you can add. if you do custom, you can make your own

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should be able to just drag them to the top and see how they look with preview

don’t worry about messing anything up, since you can always just not save if something gets screwed up

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great start to the inning

cmon man

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

definitely

over .500 again, at least.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

great to see another good start from Marcum, especially against a high-powered offense. And Wells was on top of the ball too. Nice one fellas!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he did hit two hard line drives

they just got caught by outfielders

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure would

well, time to spend some QT with Mrs. Hugo. Do you want to do the recap, and I’ll do a post tomorrow morning?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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