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Game Thread for Game 122, Jays at Tigers

Toronto Blue Jays at Detroit Tigers, Aug 14, 2008 1:05 PM EDT




We have Jesse Litsch (8-7, 4.46) fresh from a 'remember how to pitch' stint in the minors going against Armando Galarraga (10-4, 3.23). Armando has the second most wins in the majors among rookies.  So we have a tough battle ahead to get the sweep.

Mlb.com has a little story on Mac's improved batting, I found this part interesting:

Regular playing time can certainly do wonders for a hitter's rhythm, but Gaston said McDonald's slight improvement on offense is also due to some changes he's made at the plate. Since taking over as Toronto's manager on June 20, Gaston has noticed McDonald seems to have more success when pulling the ball.

Seems strange, you would think a light hitting player would do better spraying the ball around.

Course another thing said on the same page makes less sense to me:

Vernon Wells went 1-for-3 with a grand slam on Wednesday to up his average to .333 (5-for-15) with one homer and seven RBIs in four games since returning from the disabled list

How can you raise your average to .333 by going one for three?

Anyway, sounds like the news on Downs isn't too bad....hope he'll be back quick. I'll be around for the start of the game but likely won't be able to stay for the finish. Get out the brooms boys.......

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I'm hoping for six

… but I’m guessing five. Doubt that Cito has any confidence in him so I expect the hook if things even look messy. I like Jesse and hope that it was just a mid season swoon that dogged him and that he’s ready to bounce back.

Good-ish news on Downs I guess. We’lll have to wait and see.

by stephen was taken on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

hey all

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

he seems to be hitting everything on the ground

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he’ll steal first

by stephen was taken on Aug 14, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I did bet someone that Marcum would have a better season than McGowan

that one looks likely, though I don’t remember if there was an injury out

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is certainly what I'll be arguing

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

had some interviews this morning. Now sort of halfheartedly working through lunch before I get down to it this afternoon.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hate to sound bigoted

but a lot of the latin players think you get points for style
that renteria lollygag looked like rios in center yesterday

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

bunting

i know bill james-ites hate the bunt
but in post steroid era, the table setters (i.e inglett, scutaro) have to bunt in a tie game third inning

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know if I'm a James-ite

and I like the bunt late in a close game, but never (though never say never) before the 7th or so.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

rios strikes out on a wicked breaking ball

after long at bat
cant kill him on this one too much

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

i think jays are team that should play for a run or two an inning

we’re good when we play small ball
and we dont have the sluggers to wait for the 3 run homer
notwithstanding the grand slam yesterday of course

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

cito a little too dignified for my taste

he has to complain when pitcher gets squeezed
also last week when sizemore interfered on barajas attempted throw to catch runner, cito said nothing

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

he could get mad once in a while...I'm not huge on argueing balls and strikes cause I've umpired.....

300 pitches a day you are going to see one different and getting jumped on doesn’t add to my wish to give a team a break….but I do think now and then you have to make a point

by Tom Dakers on Aug 14, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'll come

Cito had a major hate on for some crews back in the day.

by stephen was taken on Aug 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

allright

Jesse!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

that was weird

i wasn’t getting anyone else’s comments for a couple of minutes there.

by stephen was taken on Aug 14, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm I'll have to look.....

then I’s ugly so hate to rate other guys

by Tom Dakers on Aug 14, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Hugo

thinks he’s cute. she likes the husky corn-fed american look though, which is pretty hiliarious, considering me

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like litsch isnt giving in

he’s throwing offspeed pitches when he wants to
pretty masterful so far

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

inge can play the hot corner

2 good plays in a row
his range helps renteria

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

slow roller

sheff jogs himself to an out
way to hustle

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

The Jays need to get the bats going. This is looking like yet another “offence asleep, wastes a solid start by the SP” game…

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

we woud have the bullpen advantage

but today with no downs, frasor, or league probably not

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

The Tigers pen has been crap…need to get there ASAP. At least Rios had that nice long at-bat a couple of innings ago. Wells/Stairs/Lind apparently weren’t watching that.

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

beautiful pitching

damn, jays coaches do an amazing job with their staff

wish they could talk to their hitters

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

attaboy Jesse

let’s see if we can get you some runs now

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

over bay over slump?

could it be?

got to love swinging on first pitch of inning

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

he has been pretty consistent at getting on base

if he can just start hitting for some power, he won’t be too bad

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

w00t

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

tiger announcer talking about gene tenace

and how he preaches swinging on first pitch strikes a lot

and how tenace has good hitting knowledge cuz of being on 70’s a’s teams

ironic cuz tenace took tons of walks in his day

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Swing on first pitch strikes

Not swing on first pitch everything, and not take first pitch everything.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's how I was taught

you look for something, and when you see it, you swing – doesn’t matter if it’s the first pitch or 3-1 or what

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite his triples, he hasn't run much

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

7 steals on the season

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

when David Eckstein was WS MVP

because Craig Monroe fell down

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

pulls it grounder

alex needs some major coaching
or time off

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Rios has been such a disappointment the last few games

To think he was my favorite player at the start of the season

by domefan on Aug 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he needs some major work, I think

winter ball might help, but I’m sure he won’t play

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he always struck me as a hard worker

So maybe he will go, and get his hitting together. We’d have an amazing outfield, if Rios only got hot

by domefan on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's interesting you say that he works hard

I don’t disagree, but many others do

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well to be honest

I don’t have reputable sources for this – these things are snap judgements, after watching him at batting practice once in a blue moon, and night after night at bats. To me, I get the sense he is invested in his performance.

by domefan on Aug 14, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

at 87 pitches now, so it's certainly possible

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

between Lind and Lyle, decent chance of one of them gapping one

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh well

damn close game going
need another inning or 2 from jesse

tigers seem sleepy

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

they look ready to call it a season

overpaid undermotivated jerk team
sheff is a cancer

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

pretty sure it more has to do with

their awful pitching, their hitting has been just fine

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

deep ball

caught at track
maggs keeps on coming close

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

with wells and rios in field

functioning as two center fielders , lind is free to play a very narrow left field

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

two out bloop

dont think cabrera is moving his 250 pound flabbiness across to second

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course...

That assumes that Rios is actually awake on this particular day…

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

cmon Jesse

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

tiger fans must be wondering

as we all do
how the hell can the jays be only 3 over 500? they can pitch and field like no other team.

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

okay we gotta run pitch count up now

and get gallaraga out this inning
bring in the pen!

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

thats 104

looks like gallaraga will stay through this inning

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

alright, no runs

but i think thats it for starter

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

leaf off single

i would have pulled litsch right there

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

bit of a weird situation to bunt I think

with the 8-9 hitters coming up

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont get how jays pen just got started warming up now

they should have either started 7th or been ready to replace litsch right away

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

at the very least

Carlson should’ve been warming in case Detroit turned the lineup over and Granderson came up, he’s dangerous

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but not great against lefties

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

scutaro and inglett are both pretty decent at third, I agree

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd base I'm not sure about

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

inglett almost runs into rios

but gets called off nicely
i was wrong cito, good handling of litsch

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

now we can use Carlson for Granderson

and Camp for the next two

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

I bet we can chase him with an early baserunner though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

is Galaraga still in?

a little surprised to see that

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

111

and I would think so

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

man i love low scoring games

when every pitch can turn the game

much better than slugfests, no?

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

I don’t mind the very occassional slugfest, but I like pitcher’s duels a lot more

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

guess it should be pitchers' duels

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

allright lexi!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

FSN Detroit's comment

“and they’re going to stop him there.” Granderson didn’t bobble it quite enough for an inside-the-parker.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

dag

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

season in a nutshell.

Death on 3rd Base. New title from Allison Griffiths.

by stephen was taken on Aug 14, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

that wasnt vernons fault though

leyva and rios f-ed up
they should have been running on contact
would have easily scored when fielder bobbled ball

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

booo

it never seems to end well when that happens

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

vernon hit it hard

did his job for once
that’s on the coach and/or alex

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

come on Cy

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Leyland seems to be as scared of his own bullpen

…or doesn’t care about killing Galarraga’s arm. Weird.

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

"C. Granderson flied out to deep center"

just not as impressive on gameday

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It hasn't been said much here today yet...

…but what a job Jesse did today. Unreal. Welcome back to the big leagues, I think.

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

it was great to see. Detroit hasn’t been hitting too well, but it’s still a great offense.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

but why bring in frasor here

after he pitched 2 innings yesterday

strange

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, I would've thought Frasor

to be totally unavailable. I figured we’d go with Camp

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

although he only threw 25 pitches yesterday

so a couple of batters isn’t going to kill him

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd prefer Camp?

Richmond?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlson hasn't

been bad against righties this season, if Camp can’t be trusted

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he is throwing 94 mph still

but straight
mags and miguel are very dangerous

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

great pitch

fools miguel
and fools catcher

wild pitch

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

cito talking to frasor on mound

and i still like our chances if we keep this tied
our pen is much better than theirs…notwithstanding that we have used up 2 of them already

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

walking sheff to get to the rookie lefty, joyce

and frasor stays on to pitch to him!!!
very strange

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

sigh

what a joke

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

crushing

That should pretty much confirm there’s not going to a Rockies-esque run out of this team. Not good enough to do that.

by Jevant on Aug 14, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

this will be a very disheartening loss

wasting great starting pitching and defence
i wanna hear some tough questions lobbed cito’s way by reporters today

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

in comes camp

unless he is hurting, there is no reason he shouldnt have been in earlier

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

now camp is in

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

allright

see everyone later, gotta get back to work. painful painful

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Bear in mind that Rodney hasn't been great this year.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

lol...downs going down was def a contributing factor

cito didnt know how to manage without his ‘crutch’

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

hey guys

i’ve been following the game on gameday… truly pathetic…

by hopelessjaysfan on Aug 14, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

the thing is i remember 92 and 93 and this is the way cito thinks

its okay —-we win 3 out of 4 thats a good outcome

if you remember those years, jays were consistent-had few winning or losing streaks

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

last licks

and here comes rick dempsey’s nephew
the similarly light hitting zaun

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

ump blows call again

and says f it! i am tired so ill call it strike 3 anyway
and finish this dumb game between two loser teams

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

well it was an amazing game till leyva and cito blew it

chalk this one down to poor managing
we got doc coming up next….lets take 2 out of three from the sox

by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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