Well, Three in a Row is Pretty Good
The good news, Jesse is back and boy did he pitch great. 7 innings, 4 hits, two walks and 3 k's, can't ask for much more from the guy. And Lyle hit his second homerun of the month, making it his second best month for homers this season. Our powerful first baseman has hit 9 now this season and a big 47 RBIs, keeping him near the top of the team.
The bad, well the offense only managed 6 hits and the one run. And everyone's favorite manager Cito. In yesterday's game as you might remember Jason Frasor pitched two good innings, so one would imagine that he'd have today off. But no, after Litsch pitched his 7 throwing 111 pitches, Cito brings in Cy and Cy gets Granderson to fly out. Then Cito brings Frasor in. Why? Can't he remember that Frasor pitched two innings yesterday. And Cy has proven over and over this season that he's not just a LOOGY. He can get righties out.
Frasor walks Polanco, gets Ordonez to fly out. Then Cabrera singles home Polanco. Then Frasor intentionally walks Sheffield and then unintentionally walks Matt Joyce. I wonder what the on base percentage for batters right after an intentional walk is. I think getting a pitcher's focus off the strike zone for a batter is a bad thing. Like the bunt, I think the intentional walk 90% of time is over managing. Now any other manager would had noticed that his pitcher doesn't have anything and got someone else into the game. Not our Cito.
Frasor gives up a double to Renteria, giving the Tigers a two run lead and basically ending the game. Cito finally decides to give up his statue impersonation and pulls Frasor for Camp. Too late of course. Camp gives up a single to score two more and then gets out of the inning. Frasor is charged with 5 earned, driving his ERA to 4.43 in a game he had no business being in.
Anyway the Fangraph looks the way you think it would:
Jay of the Day: Jesse Litsch (.494! WPA). Honorable mention Overbay. Suckage Jays: Frasor (-.690), but not his fault, who leaves a reliever in for 5 earned and Vernon (-.145) for an 0 for 4. Tomorrow we start a series against the Red Sox with Halladay against Byrd. Wasn't that Doc's last start....but Byrd was pitching for the Indians then. Hopefully we'll get some runs for Doc. If we are going to make a move we have to win the series' upcoming with the BoSox and the Yankees. Speaking of Doc there is a nice piece about Doc and Cliff Lee and this year's Cy Young, here.
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has cito actually made us any better?
as far as i can tell, our offense doesn’t seem that much improved… he keeps making these boneheaded moves like today…
the only good thing i can think of that he’s done is to make lind an everyday man…
are we giving him too much slack based on the WS rings?
if eck played so well yesterday, why not use him today as well, to reward him for his good play?
by hopelessjaysfan on Aug 14, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think any improvement we've shown
Is getting Lind in there everyday and some of the team just doing what they should. We were well under Pythagorean won/loss record with Gibby so some improvement should have been expected. Really, I don’t see that our offense has improved beyond having a real left fielder. Which we should applaud him for. Beyond that….Gibby was much better with the pitchers…..
by Tom Dakers on Aug 14, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cito is no genius but gibbons really stunk
at least cito has preached more smallball…and there have been some good results…part of cito’s problem is that he is into putting all his team’s effort in short term
he’s a long term thinker—-therefore decisions like not pitching doc today—-he wants better matchups against sox cuz its intra divisional and wins are doubly important…and his bullpen moves today demonstrate that he is satisfied with a series victory not sweep.
unfortunately, he blew it today as he has blown it before…but he rationalizes to himself that his strategy works in the long run.
in any case, jays must be the most frustrating team in the majors…no team with so much pitching and defence should be achieving such mediocre results.
that being said, i see jays winning 2 out 3 over sox this weekend
by norm depalma on Aug 14, 2008 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he is a 'long term thinker'....
why did he use downs and league yesterday. Or why did he have Doc throw 130 pitches in the last game. Or why did he use Frasor today after pitching him 2 yesterday?
I don’t know….I don’t see any great changes under cito, other than Lind playing. We keep being told he’s going to fix the hitters, but I don’t see anything them hitting better than under Gibby. Stairs told reports, right after the change, that he was hitting better because of Cito’s new philosophy and that we’d see Rios hit with power now…..Stairs hasn’t hit a lick and Rios still looks lost. I’d love to see him sit Rios and/or say get your friggin head in the game.
I like that he’s using Mac, but then I hate that he uses Scoot at the top of the order and I hate that he’s buries Eck.
Course the small ball thing….I’m yet to see a sac bunt help them win this year, but that grand slam yesterday was wonderful. If they bunt in front of Rios again this season I’m going to go on strike. Rios wasn’t hit at all with RISP yet we give up outs to let him show he can’t do it.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 15, 2008 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think
we’ll have a good chance of evaluating cito once he’s had a full year with these players. No doubt that during the offseason he’ll take a good hard look at tape and such… and then he’ll be able to correct some of his mistakes and work with these players better… plus he’s missing a DH which isn’t his fault.
Then again, some of his mistakes seem pretty obvious, so maybe he’s just a fool. Who knows?
by hopelessjaysfan on Aug 15, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on another note
i HATE how tampa’s so good in close games and that we’re so bad…
it must be fun to be a rays fan…
by hopelessjaysfan on Aug 15, 2008 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All managers have things they do......
I like the Rays because the team was built the way I’d Iike to see the Jays go about it. Last off season the Rays looked at the team and felt their biggest problems were in the bullpen and on defense. So they traded for Bartlett to play short, moved Iwamura to second from third…..didn’t have the arm for third. And they signed half a dozen guys for the pen and picked up one good starter for an outfielder that was easy to replace.
And they have let the kids play and grow……it would be a fun team to cheer for, instead of having a GM that hopes the guys that were injured last year don’t get injured this year and the ones that played poor last year turn it around this year. Oh and hopes that Shannon Stewart can turn 28 again and Scott Rolen and Wilk…..
by Tom Dakers on Aug 15, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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