I'm Crying For Yesterday / And the Tap Drips Drip Drip Drip Drip Drip
by hugo on Aug 28, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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PrintToronto Blue Jays at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
It's not Saturday, but David Purcey must be crying for yesterday after the greatest performance of his career went to waste as Matt Garza completely shut the Jays down for the 4th time this season. I think the Jays will face Garza once more, and they better at least score next time. 4 starts and Garza has yielded 1 run against the Jays.
Rolen continues to sit out as the suddenly harder-throwing Jesse Litsch faces hard-thrower Edwin Jackson and the Rays. Bautista has basically replaced Stairs in the lineup, but hopefully Cito won't hesitate to use Stairs to pinch-hit for Mac in a situation where the game is on the line.
Mrs. Hugo is at meet-the-teacher night, so I'm around to watch the game. Why not kick back and enjoy what promises to be another good game. Let's go Jays!
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my guess is he physically can play
but he is still working on the new mechanics
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah
it’s pretty confusing
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
It is to me....
not like there are a lot ofbatters on the bench with the number of relievers teams carry these days
head hunting contest
i am watching the rays broadcast the play by play guy is an inveterate homer with a hilarious hair weave
I'm enjoying
the same buffoon
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
seemed like Rios
didn’t get a good read on that at all
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i miss don chevrier
he sucked but in such a canadian way
this isn't going great
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice
gets Pena to pop up
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
he is very excitable
Rance is a good balance for him though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
with Extra Innings
I’m hostage to the Rays’ broadcast tonight, but was just speaking generally
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
rays announcer may have the most annoying affected voice of authority
sounds like a drunk senator
1st and 3rd again
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Litsch gets the weak tapout
to minimize the damage
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we need errors like that
second baseman rushing to get the fleet footed lyle
great fake out by gross in rf
held lyle to one base
only 2 more terrible fielding plays
and maybe we’ll score a run
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
get a hit already
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
how bad
would Mac have to be at the plate to get Eckstein off the bench?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Think it was a mistake to advertise that Mac was hitting better because he was pulling the ball
get all the pitchers to pitch him off the plate
wow this batista is playing like a 240 hitter with a bit of pop
just like his stats
he has been terrible hasn't he.....
a few more at bats and he’ll be where Lind was when he was sent down….and he’ll have to start hitting to get to where Thomas was before he was released
one fascinating thing
is how when you get the Jays broadcast, no boner pill commercials. but as soon as you get an american broadcast, you get one every inning
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
oh well get some....
I really don’t like them, having young boys in the house…..not sure when it became fair game to have that on tv. They make a big deal about a blurry moment of Janet Jackson’s breast but can have 15 Viagra commercial an hour
right there with you
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Shows we have our priorities right, doesn't it.
I wonder what my 10 year old thinks when he sees them, I try to chance the channel but can’t always
I also can't
shake the feeling that these drug companies could have cured some horrible diseases by now if they didn’t spend so much money marketing and advertising their boner pills and weight loss drugs
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I guess you gotta hope they put some of the profits into something usefull
but I’d imagine bonuses for executives take up most of it.
true
you never know, maybe all the money from Viagra will help Pfizer invent a cure for childhood diabetes
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
great play
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
wow great throw
to nail inglett
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I do love Joe Maddon's Elvis Costello glasses
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Joe Maddon or Elvis Costello?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yes
his favourite album is the same as mine: Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah those were great
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah
I didn’t think I would like that but I really did. It reminded me that some of my favourite Zeppelin songs were the bluegrassy ones
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice quick out for Litsch
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
foul?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Cliff destroyed it
Litsch kind of getting hit hard
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
haha
Wilner was talking about him yesterday
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Jamie is talking about him now....
Don’t stand for God Bless America and you get thrown from the park….but be a creep for years on end and you stay. Maybe that’s why no one goes to the games there
allright
time to get ourselves on the board here
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
attaboy Lyle
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
hey, by the way
who’s the guy on your icon?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
ah
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Terry Pratchett, riht?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah, I've heard of the books but never picked one up
an friend of mine who is an auditor told me that the auditors are villains in the stories, which sounded pretty funny
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah in a couple of then....he's done parodies of
he’s done parodies of a lot of different things. Is really funny stuff, and nice easy read when you need one. They use to come out quicker than I could read them but….he is apparently going to keep writing, but has slowed a lot.
mine is my middle name
but what most of my friends call me
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
seems wrong to write opinions and then not 'sign' my name to them
I used rincewind because it asked for a name when I first looked in here and I have used that for online games and crap
sure seems like it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
another walk for Inglett
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I love how
the Rays announcers talk about how Inglett is 4-6 lifetime against Jackson, and use that to justify a conclusion that punch-and-judy hitting is the way to beat him
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm no stats genius
but some things are just so obviously insignificant or random variation and yet announcers still use them to justify ridiculous counterintuitive points
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Course I feel some the same about taking the bad starts out of a pitchers stats too....
took a few minutes to check Doc….he has a .2.04 ERA in wins and a 3.92 ERA in loses…..if you start with a theory you can fine stats to back it up.
amazing
that even his ERA in losses is better than league average
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
how many times are we going to pop up?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice pickoff move by Litsch
don’t think I’ve seen him do that before
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah Vernon
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
reading it right now actually
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
done..I just e-mailed you about it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
and thanks...
not totally happy with it….would like some personal memory of the guy or something interesting. I thought the best bit was from Bill James saying he was the best looking Jay
yeah that would be nice
a little anecdote of some sort
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'll look thru a few more books tonight and see if there is something interesting.
I was interested in him starting as a 3B
Now if it were Buck Martinez....
I remember the play so well where he was run over at the plate, but held on to the ball, broken ankle I think, but throws to third to try to get the trailing runner, the ball goes into left but is thrown back in and he tags the guy at the plate. End of his baseball career.
come on now Lind
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm hoping that will be an adjustment he makes
as pitchers start to respect him more, he will adjust by taking the walks when they’re given
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
bad luck there
although good thing no one got doubled off
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Rod
guess what? pops up
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
a single is better than a walk
a walk can advance a runner one base…a single can advance two..and with two outs, will score a runner from second a majority of the time
there are exceptions, but generally speaking
if a player doesn’t learn to walk in the majors, he’ll never reach that next level as a hitter
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
If he can keep his Slugging over .500 I'll be ok without the walks but.....
like Rios would like a better onbase
that really sucked
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I officially hate this game
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
this game tonight, not this game of baseball, haha
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
joe carter never learned to walk and was a fine hitter in the majors
as is soriano and others
obviously it is better to have a higher obp than lower
but the overemphasis on obp is a mistake. just like pre bill james the underemphais of obp is a mistake.
Carter was way over rated.....
he did drive in a bunch of runs…but had a ton of guys on base in front of him. he hit worse with runners on than with runners on, but had Olrude, Alomar and Molitor in front of him. Made a ton of outs
Carter was a reasonably good, not a great, hitter
of course, trying to walk more wouldn’t have necessarily made him better – it might have made him worse.
Soriano’s best season was also his highest walk rate, when he played for the Nationals. If Lind hits 40 home runs a season, we can forgive the lack of walks. but otherwise It’ll be nice to see him walk a little more, which I am confident he will.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
similarily the inability to properly calibrate a player's contribution on defence
makes simplistic analysis a la bill james circa 1987 a big mistake
carter wasnt overrated--he was considered to be a fine hitter
not a great hitter, but a very good hitter…he drove in lots of runs, he ran the bases very well (that doesnt show up on stats)
soriano's best season was arguably his wash nat year, true
but that doesnt discount his other ‘not so great years’—-
no, that's very true
his 1st season with the cubs was almost as good, and his walk rate was back down to his Texas and NY days. He has been good this season though, and has been walking more again
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Career .260 hitter.....
some where on the web there is a list of worst batting seasons that produced 100 RBI, he’s got a bunch on the list. He wasn’t terrible but, if he’d take the odd walk….wouldn’t have had guys getting him to strike out on pitches well of the plate so much.
his average suffered from his post prime years and years in san diego
plus lack of lineup support in last years in cleveland
check out his slugging numbers….he was a fine hitter, unfairly maligned by bill james..i remember when james analysis was provocative and revolutionary and it had/has its place…but even he admits it has many many flaws
Soriano's my son's favorite example of managers not understanding what is going on in front of them.....
the other day he had the lowest on base in the line up and almost most home runs…..so where does he bat? Lead off. Make the least use of his power and the most use of his outs.
your son may be right re soriano
but is probably wrong
there are myriad reasons why a manager may lead him off…and if your son doesnt watch cubs play all the time , he will not know the truth just by looking at the stats available to him
yeah lots of reasons why.....
but lead off men out to get on base….power I want with guys on base. i can’t imagine a reason I’d want the worse on base guy leading off.
Carters best average years were in Cleavland....hit .302 there...very good
here he hit .273, .264, ..254, .271, .253 and .253.
so about his career average…
for example, a leadoff homer making the score 1-0
puts a lot of pressure on the other team—-and if you have a good pitching staff, that pressure can be used to your advantage
similarly the threat of a leadoff homer can pressure some pitchers, and that stress can be helpful
or maybe soriano hits better without the pressure of men on base
that's true, I think
a truly great leadoff hitter has power, gets on base, and has speed. That’s why Henderson was the best of all time and Raines was likely second. Sizemore is one of the best today for that same reason.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
not even really one of
he’s probably just the best, though I do love me some Ichiro
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i would say there are a lot of smart managers out there who have no use for bill james
or use him with a grain of salt
similary there are many many idiot managers out there who discount simple statistical analysis to their detriment
oh there are lots of folks that hate bill james....
will point out the team that employs him has won 2 world series since they put him on the payroll
thats true---though they havent won every year
and other teams using his ideas havent won
red sox won because of many reasons, chiefly because ortiz and manny are spectacular, one of the best 1-2 punches in baseball history
the bill james analysis helped them get the kevin millar types in lineup true…but watch them win this year with speed and defence—-which is good way to go in post steroid era
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
if carter would have been in top 5 slugging consistently
he would have been considered a great player, not just a fine player
worst year plus or minus I guess was the one in San Diego .232/290/391
or the last one in TO .234/.284/.399…or CI .243/292/.391…
no doubt there are exceptions
but if you look at a list of great hitters, there are a lot more guys who walked than not. And if you look at below-average hitters, a lot more guys who didn’t. So if you’re a young hitter, unless you know that you’re the exception, you try to model your career to give you the greatest chance of success, no?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Ichiro creates a ton of runs with his approach
but he walks a little more than Soriano
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah - his career walk % is 9.1% though
Ichiro is 6.6, and Soriano’s is 5.5
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
based on that
I don’t think he qualifies, despite his reputation as a bad-ball hitter
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
that's probably true
Ichiro doesn’t get intentionally walked much (though it does happen when runners are in scoring position), but Soriano surely does
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm sure you're right about that
but I’m still not sure he qualifies for the “best guy who doesn’t walk” competition
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
a good batter usually improves his obp with age
partially because he becomes more patient, gets a ‘better eye’
and partially because pitchers become afraid of him and pitch him more carefully
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
and as pitchers pitch him more carefully, the hitter has to learn to take what he is given and recognize when he can help the team most by drawing the walk. I think that’s what will happen with Lind, by the way.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we got a run
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we got a run there because lind hit a single
a walk wouldnt have worked
similarly if lind would have been thrown out there, we would have scored
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ok....but if lyle walked instead of strike out then we'd still have an out to play with....
yeah a single is better but then a walk is miles better than an out……
I would never say Lind shouldn't try to hit....but if he'd take pitches off the plate more.....
he’ll get more pitches over the plate, and have a better career in the long run
I think that's right
he should continue to be aggressive when his pitch comes though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well if you agree that a single is better than a walk
i guess you would have to revamp your above thoughts on obp
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it's indisputable that a single is better than a walk
but I don’t see how that invalidates OBP
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
A homer is better than a single but I don't see anyone saying we shouldn't get singles
better yet…a strike out is better than a DP so don’t swing at all
it doesnt invalidate obp
it just shows that obp by itself is a very flawed stat
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
when viewed in a vacuum
I would totally agree
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Even like Runs Created is flawed if you don't know anything else.....
stolen bases is flawed by itself….
that was pretty good though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
eckstein sighting
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
has great permanent stubble though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we just don't have good luck
with the Baptists
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i bet you jp barely knew anything about him
but signed him based on some idiotic stats analysis
JP isn't a stathead, really
he was a scout and is still of that mindset
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i heard he was a billy beane acolyte
a moneyball moron
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he worked for Beane
but if you read moneyball, he doesn’t really come across as a Beanie (not that that would be a bad thing). But he was a scout and my impression of him is that he thinks like one
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
He worked in Oakland....
course beane scouts too….just Joe Morgan who refuses to look at the book figures if he wasn’t writen about Joe Morgan it is stupid…and course has big words he doesn’t understand
ironically
Beane was a super-toolsy prospect for the Mets. the exact opposite of a moneyball player
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
and if i remember couldnt make it the majors cuz of nerves
which dont exist according to pre 2004 bill james
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone who has ever played at any level
knows they exist. you can play worse in the clutch of course, but it doesn’t follow that that means you can also "step up your game’ as some would claim. maybe you can, but it definitely doesn’t follow
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
for years james tried debunking the clutch 'myth'
clutch equals no nerves
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was saying
just because you can psyche yourself into playing worse in a high pressure situation doesn’t mean that you can step up your game and be clutch. the most clutch you can be is just doing what you always do
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
hmmmm well interesting take....he looked for proof of clutch and couldn't find it....
I’m still waiting for someone to show me it
but thats a misconception
clutch could simply mean, that the batter doesnt get nerves and the opposing pitcher does
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it could
pitching and hitting are so different though. and if clutch performance somehow depended on the opposing pitcher clutchiness or lack thereof it would be almost impossible to pin down
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
And no one hits 'in the clutch' year after year.....
so is tough to find…..yeah I would be awful in the clutch but I’d be awful all the time…..there is the odd case of a guy who’s nerves are bad and doesn’t do well…..but then they end up out of ball quick
so we should assume someone actually saw this guy play on many an occasion
and recommended him? there has to be some weird backstory to this
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
according to JP
who never lies (since it’s not a lie if he knows the truth) he has liked Bautista for a while
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
What Morgan didn't get was that the book wasn't saying 'the way to win is on base %'
The book said that Beane couldn’t spend money so had to figure out what was under valued…..since the book came out over GMs started paying for on base, so he’s moving over to paying for pitching and defense
a great writer, by the way
his stuff on fatherhood is hilarious and moving
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
he is a really good writer....
I liked the football book. and one of the few guys that can write about business and my eyes don’t gloss over
michael lewis is basically a fraud too
typical nytimes bs reporter
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree with you on the quality of the grey lady
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but Lewis doesn't write for the times, does he?
he writes for Times magazine, which is terrible for totally different reasons
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
same crap
they have little journalistic ethics
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole book is basically a lie
the a’s were good because their offence was on steroids
and their pitching was great because of their ballpark
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
how many gms know their team on steroids
and do nothing about it
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
probably most of them, right?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but how many of them let themselves be a subject of a
hagiography knowing that every one of his stars who contributed to his team’s good record was juicing?
only billy beane had that level of chutzpah
by norm depalma on Aug 29, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds nice
but playing him means he is replacing someone else in lineup
he didnt just trade him for a minor leaguer, he traded him for the lineup spot too
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well assuming that Rolen will soon start playing third
the lineup spot was Mench’s DH against lefty pitching spot, and I think we can afford to give that up though a few more at-bats and I’ll be nostalgic for the hyper-craniated one
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we have noone on the farm?
and no other team besides pitt is dealing these days?
by norm depalma on Aug 28, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know the answer to the second question
but I think that, sadly, the answer to question one is no we don’t. Incidentally, I bashed the trade on the site and I don’t think Rince is defending it either.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Oh I posted the 'we got plundered' link.....
I think it is a bad trade…not terrible cause we traded nothing and got the same but…..I wouldn’t make it
its not just that he is 0 for 21
its that he swings for the fences like a nervous a-rod
till he has two strikes
then he does his best statue imitation
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice play scoot
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well we lost again
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
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