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Game Thread for Game 136, Jays at Yankees

Toronto Blue Jays @ New York Yankees


The Jays last game at the House the Ruth Built.



We have an interesting lineup going against Andy Pettitte . Once again we are treated to the delight of having Eck DH and Overbay is on the bench with yesterday's hero (and the goat for the few games before) Jose Bautista playing first. Mac's back at short and there is only one lefty in the starting lineup, Adam Lind. No Travis Snider today so not sure there is enough reason to watch thru to the end.

My reason is to watch Doc and have another look at Yankee Stadium. We made a trip there last season so I could see it before it was gone. After being there I can understand why it is being replaced, the corridors are narrow and there is no room for decent food services. But still is sad to see it go, there is a lot of history there. We took the stadium tour and my middle boy who isn't a baseball fan at all was still thrilled to sit in the dugout, "can you imagine all the great players who have sat here".

Really want the win for Doc. Would love to see him get to 20 wins. He deserves to be considered for the Cy Young but if he doesn't get to 20 the writers, who vote for the award, don't look past the win/lose record won't even notice how good he has been here. If he ends up behind KRod in the voting, I'm going to hunt down the voters.

I was hoping to here that Eck was trade by now, but since he is in the starting lineup I guess maybe he won't be. It would be great to get something back for him and since we have a hell of a glut of middle infielders I thought we could trade off one of them. I really don't think any of them will be of great value to us when/if we become a contender.

Anyway, join me in the game thread. Go Jays, if we can only be a spoiler, spoiling on the Yankees is a good way to start.

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Hmmmmm CBC is showing both national anthems....

never do that for baseball. A good chance for the cameras to pan around the stadium. Crappy organ music for the Canadian anthem……..but then similar for the american

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice montage of Gerhig and Ruth and other old Yankee stars

11 games left for the house that Ruth built. Yankees would have to have a Rockies style finish to get to the Playoffs.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After the best Jay positional polls are done

Can we have a “worst Jay colour commentator” poll?

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent

You live in Calgary, right? So you have been treated to Jesse Barfield on the CBC? I just want to make sure he is included in the list.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind him

as much as a lot of people do.

I really like Jim Hughson. I remember when he used to be the regular Jays guy on TSN in the 90’s. I also can’t wait for him to take over for Bob Cole on the national CBC HNIC broadcast. I think his talent is going to waste just calling the Canucks.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's ok

I like Hughson way better.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven't head him much, get the Flames games....

course heard him too much on the computer game….likely clouds my opinion

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My opinion

might be clouded because I used to like him calling the Jays. But out east we usually get the Canucks as the late game on HNIC and I think Hughson does a great job.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leyva holds him

you bunted for the chance to score a run…but you won’t let scoot run home when there’s a 85% chance he makes it?

by norm depalma on Aug 31, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wrote the US board exam on Monday

was a pretty tough test. For my purposes, all I need to do is pass, which I’m reasonably sure I did, but I don’t think I did as well as I hoped I would. I’ll find out in a couple weeks.

School starts up again Tuesday, so I’m trying to get in some final R&R before then.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's it

Barfield has cemented his claim to worst colour man.

“Tie goes to the runner,” he says regarding the close play at first. No it does not. That phrase does not appear in any baseball rule book. The rules say that the runner must beat the throw (or foot, in this case). If he does, he is safe; if he does not, he is out.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah....when I've umpired, coaches keep saying that....

and I keep saying there is no such thing….either the ball is there when the player touches or it isn’t

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ya, very common misconception

it’s one of those things that everyone has heard of, and so assume it’s true, without actually knowing.

I can understand when non- or casual fans think that, but a former major leaguer who is now a colour commentator should know better.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That true they shouldn't just parrot what they have heard

Is funny how many arguments I’ve had because of coaches assuming something they heard was right

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What level of ball is this?

If it’s just community or rec league, then it’s understandable since most coaches would just be volunteers from the community, more selected for enthusiasm and willingness to donate their time than their coaching/baseball savvy. Still not good that they don’t know the rules, but understandable.

if it’s travel or a more competitive level, then they should know what they are talking about.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no is community league ball, kids....

so can understand. Just hate when they argue it like it is a fact…..

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still need a DH

and good years from a couple other guys (Rios would be a good start).

And the pitching and defence needs to not regress at all.

Then we’ll have a chance

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah a DH, and Rios finding his power stroke

Would like them to pick a SS and stay with him and stop blaming loses on that spot.

If Cecil is as good as he looks in AAA we have good pitching coming up

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

course Overbay hitting like 06 would be nice too....

I think too someone to fill in for Rolen when he misses his 40 plus games would be nice

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But is Cecil going to be ready to pitch for a contender next year?

Particularly if AJ bolts and if McGowan doesn’t come back 100%, we have Doc, Marcum plus a whole lot of potential, but not much proven talent. I’m not sure I’d pin a contending season on that rotation.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah that's the question.....

but both Romeros looks good too…think one of them will be able to take a spot…..if Litsch and Purcey throw as good as they have looked lately…..might be good to find someone for a season, but doubt we’d find someone good for a season. Course what will happen with Marcum is up in the air too

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe I'm saying this

but I think we’re better off offering AJ some more money to stay than letting him walk and trying to fill his spot via FA. Best case, we sign a middling FA (Oliver Perez or someone like that) for ~$10mil. We save a bit of money but have a huge question mark at that rotation spot. I think we are better off spending a bit of extra money to not have to worry.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it is a little more money, I'm ok with it....

but if we are talking a few more years as well, I wouldn’t be as happy. Has lots of wins this year but his ERA is high and we’ve won games for him that shouldn’t have been wins

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree

I have always thought that AJ is quite overrated. But given what the market for pitchers is likely to be, even replacing his mediocre production will be tough.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh thanks rance....

with Cito all year they would have 10 more wins….yeah right

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

need some RISP from the bottom of the order

after all our Best Jay Ever talk at the beginning of the year, who would’ve thought that Scott Rolen would be batting 8th in August?

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah....and who thought he'd have all of 8 homers

I think the idea of Mac pulling the ball is all fine and good, but he’s trying to pull outside pitches now

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's okay

as everyone in NY knows, he only hits when the team is losing big or winning big. Only Jeter ever comes through in the clutch

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was there when he was after his 500th home run....

he swing was a mess but was more fun watching all the flashes. My youngest bought a ARod shirt….almost disowned him

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird play

Cano swings and misses, ball hits his leg, bounces to the backstop, runners advance.

Seems to me that the ball should be dead if it hits the batter. Guess not.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that seems counter-intuitive to me

because then a batter could swing and kick the ball on purpose to allow runners to advance.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably

but that’s always tough to tell. Guys could do something like the Reed Johnson “I tried to turn away but my elbow happened to move into the ball” or a hockey style redirection with the leg.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted for Ernie

though I voted for McGriff over Delgado, so what do I know?

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGriff had a better career than Carlos

just not as much of that came with the Jays. I found this out after I had registered my vote, of course.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe in raw numbers

but McGriff put up the numbers in an era of lower overall offensive output, so I would argue that if they end up with equivalent numbers, McGriff still gets a slight edge. I also think McGriff has a slightly better chance at the Hall of Fame, at least as things stand now.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmmmm well not sure I agree...they overlap a lot on playing time

‘black ink’ and grey ink numbers are simlar…..mcgriff has 1000 more at bats….

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, McGriff started his career in the mid-80's

Delgado in the mid-90s. HoF voters may end up looking with skepticism on the entire mid-90’s to mid-00’s era.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, nice job

seems like you have really been putting in a lot of effort to keep the site going and expand it.

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we are trying....helps a lot that hugo is back....

the site counter screwed up one day or we would have the most visitors ever in a month….

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have there been a lot of new visitors

or is it that regulars are visiting more often?

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we got a mention on an SI.com page and that helped a lot.....

course the next day was when the counter when down…but have added a bunch of members this month

by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's great

if the numbers keep up there should be a good base for next season

by SuckaMD on Aug 31, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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