Well you know I went to Baltimore / So confident and wise / And as I breathed she breathed no more / And she did surely die : Game Thread, Jays at O's
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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Toronto Blue Jays at Baltimore Orioles, Sep 26, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Tonight's post title comes from "Baltimore," a great song of the best-titled (though not my favourite) Lyle Lovett record, Joshua Judges Ruth. The Jays head in to Baltimore to end their series, and J.P. Ricciardi must be feeling pretty confident and wise after the Jays gave him another year to make the playoffs, despite the fact that the team looks to end this season in 4th place and with a record not significantly better than they've done in the past two seasons. Please do let us know what you think about J.P. being back for another year in the comments and poll for the post below, and stop by and chat about that, as well as the game and anything else on your mind, tonight in the game thread.
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I've seen Lyle Lovette in concert a couple of times in the past year or so...
He’s great.
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah he is
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most fun I've had at a concert was watching him, Joe Ely, John Hiatt and Guy Clark doing their songwriter tour
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a great show
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but I have seen all four of them at various times
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Ely is a favorite of mine....
well all of them really but I saw Joe Ely at the Calgary Folk Fest several years back and he just blew me away. Then saw John Hiatt at the Edmonton Folk Fest a couple of years later and he amazed me with how much sound he could get out of his guitar
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a great guitar player, I agree
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was invited to a guitar contest that he was to judge a few years back.....
but I chickened out….I’m not really that type of guitar player, but was kind of mad at myself that might have been able to talk to him for a bit, but was phoned two days before and I’m never going to impress people as a guitar god
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is really cool
you must shred compared to me, I’m not a flashy player at all, more of a Pete Townsend guitar player-songwriter type
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit I'm not sure what to think about JP returning
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just made a fairly long-winded post
relating to the poll you posted. I reluctantly concluded that I thought the one-year extension was justified, though would not have approved of anything more than that.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was already under contract
and they just decided not to fire him
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's right....he's under contract for two more seasons
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, sorry
but if they put off firing him for an additional year, it’s basically the same as an extension
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other than he'd be paid if fired....
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My one thought is that he seems to be able to learn......
his drafting has improved quite a bit…..
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
he won’t admit his mistakes, but he does learn from them
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of assume he doesn't admit to mistakes on that phone in show on the theory that if he does it once that's all he'll be doing
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wednesdays with JP
on the FAN every wednesday
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
I find talk radio (sports or otherwise) unlistenable. I really only listen to the radio when I’m in the car, which isn’t that often, and I can’t listen to talk.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is posted in Wilners page each week, is usually not too too long
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really listen to the show
other than occasionally, but I do think it’s cool that J.P. does it. If the callers in were better (say, Bluebird Banter readers), the show would be great, I think.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he does put up with a lot of jerks....
course that gets the ‘headline’ type quotes
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the callers to that show
are anything like your standard-issue Leafs Chat callers, then it must be absolutely ridiculous
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only like those callers
but literally the same people
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
half of them phone in drunk
wanting to tell JP off but have no clear idea why
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably on the way home from the RC
after watching the Jays drop a 2-1 game
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I don’t expect him to admit to his mistakes when some idiot calls in to bash him for letting Reed Johnson go (full disclosure – as you know, I savaged that move on the site) – but it would impress people if he admitted to having learned from his experience when talking to the press
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
assuming the money they would have to pay him anyway doesn’t factor into the equation, which I’m sure it doesn’t.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if nothing else
it should provide a good starting point for debate, or at least for everyone to gang up and vehemently disagree with me.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, Richmond is rocking
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's been great.....course we still can't hit Waters
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting pretty comfortable with the idea of Richmond as the 5th starter
now we just need 2 and 3
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Purcey's number 4 in this little exersize
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question
ideally, I would have Litsch as 4 and Purcey starting in AAA and working on strike-throwing and being the first callup
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Litsch has been good enough this season to pencil in as number 3, certainly
and based on his peripherals, there’s a good chance his success will continue, but if he does decline in performance, he’d still be a decent 4.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he doesn't decline
Litsch will certainly put up number-3 type stats. But I still think the Jays need to at least look for two starters if AJ leaves. Don’t force anything if there aren’t decent players/contracts to be had, but I dont know how much I like a Doc-Litsch-Richmond-Purcey-someone rotation
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that may be better for Purcey's long term development
but if the goal is to compete next year, I think Purcey has shown more major league readiness thus far. It would obviously depend on what they both show in spring training, but I think Purcey is a bit better at this point
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purcey is like 27 right? I think if he goes down again that might be the end.....
lots of guys close to passing him
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richmond's numbers are better, I think
not counting today, 17/2 K/BB in 21 innings isn’t bad (though his whip is a little high) Purcey’s whip and K numbers are similar, and he’s had more great starts, but he has also walked more and gotten shelled more. Richmond hasn’t had a bad start yet, that’s not bad in 5 efforts for a rookie, is it?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has definitely been good as well
maybe I’m blinded by the few lights-out starts that Purcey has put up
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he is good
he’s really good, I agree
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep thinking we need to put up a guide to nicknames somewhere on the front page....
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be helpful for someone like myself……
by Carm on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good idea
I still don’t know where Moonraker comes from, I missed that game.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in the room and I still don't understand
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
me neither
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who was it........can't remember......
but it was such a long ummmm convoluted explanation we had to keep it
by Tom Dakers on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moonshot = power
Raker = average
Moonraker = portmanteau
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
by Torgen on Sep 26, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a cool idea
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
gets out of the mini-jam? jamette? jamino?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a small thing
but I am quite annoyed that we didn’t trade Mac and Frasor for Shin-Soo Choo when we had the chance
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
just looked at Choo’s numbers. They are great.
Apparently there is some business with him having to serve soon in the Korean military (like he has to fulfill his requirement before he reaches a certain age) and noone really knows how that will play out.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm that is fascinating
last season, Cleveland was way down on him and was desperate for a SS, not thinking that Peralta could do the job anymore, and relief arms (with Borowski as their closer), and I definitely think we could’ve made it happen. I was all over it, but JP didn’t make an offer, as far as I know
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should have called into Wednesdays with JP
you could then have taken credit for a real major league transaction
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did actually
my first time ever calling into a talk radio show, but they didn’t put me on the air
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be really funny
if some GM organized a few days over the course of a season for fans to call or Email in moves that they think the team should make. Most of them would obviously be ridiculously suggestions in the “I think we should trade our backup catcher for Albert Pujols” vein, but with proper screening of submissions, I think that it could actually help the team make some decent transactions.
Of course, few if any GM’s would be willing to submit to this, as it means admitting that they may not have as much super-valuable talent and insider knowledge as they would like to think.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I sort of knew I wouldn’t get on, since no one in Toronto had likely ever heard of Shin-Soo Choo. I thought maybe calling from DC I would have a chance, but that certainly did not help
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rain delay?
it’s not really raining here, that’s weird
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so
why will we bat Bautista 2nd in the lineup, but won’t bat Overbay up in the lineup? that’s weird, isn’t it?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe its because of their insistence on bunting with Bautista in the first inning
I would really like to see Overbay higher in the order, even leadoff. Takes advantage of his good OBP and current power outage, plus it takes away a few GIDP chances
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
though I know he has struggled in the 2-hole before, I think it should be tried again. it’s just funny we will put Bautista there, when he isn’t really any faster and a ton worse at getting on base, but not the everyday first baseman, our team’s best on-base guy (and it’s not particularly close)
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inglett and Eckstein are within .005 of Overbay
and Snider is in first in limited action.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair point on Inglett
I thought of Snider, but didn’t count him based on appearances, and Eck of course is gone, though I was all for him getting more playing time when he was here
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
among players with 250+ AB for the Jays this year
two of the top 5 in OBP are no longer with the team
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
someone finally voted to retain J.P.!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised it's a runaway in favour of firing him
I’m far more surprised with Devon White’s lead in the best CF poll
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that shocks me
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Moseby
though Wells probably has a legitimate claim. I figured Devo would get a few votes based on fond memories of the glory days, but didn’t think he’d get this much
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Wells actually
but because I think, based on his performance this season, he’s got some great years left in him. I figured Mose would win though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've decided not to consider future potential in my voting
assuming Vernon puts up a few more good seasons, I’ll vote for him if I come across a similar poll in the future. But based on performance as a Blue Jay to date, I gave Moseby a slight edge.
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's certainly reasonable
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since the game has no playoff implications
how long do you think they’ll wait before they call it?
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't think
they will delay it much longer, but it may stop raining there soon, since it’s not raining here and was about an hour ago
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
congrats, Scott!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
by Torgen on Sep 26, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he finishes the season with a K:BB of 10?
That’s pretty nice.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
by Torgen on Sep 26, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sure is
and although the 1-3 record doesn’t look great, he never screwed the pooch in 5 starts with us, at all, that’s not bad for a rookie
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he pitched well
but aside from tonight he game up three runs in each start in fewer than 6 innings each time. He is a rookie, and really came out of nowhere, so he has nowhere to go but up, but I’d want to see quite a bit of improvement in spring training before putting him in the rotation to begin the next season, particularly if the offense doesn’t get much of an upgrade in the offseason
by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree with that
his start against the Sox was pretty impressive too, though. he gave up a 2-run HR to Ortiz, but it was on a well-placed 3-2 changeup. and the BAA is greater than you’d expect in front of our defense. If it doesn’t work out in the rotation, which is certainly not unlikely, he could still be a good late-inning righty, with a quality fastball and a nice tight slider. Purcey would still be a better bet for long-term success, but Richmond has acquitted himself well.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the BAA comment I meant
it’s a decent possibility he’s been somewhat hit unlucky in a small sample size and his K/BB ratio over the number of innings does suggest he’s got some potential as well as more than a spot starter
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course, Curtis!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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