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Toronto Blue Jays @ Baltimore Orioles


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Toronto Blue Jays @ Baltimore Orioles

09/26/08 7:05 PM EDT

Toronto Blue JaysBaltimore Orioles
Marco Scutaro - 2B Brian Roberts - 2B
Jose Bautista - 1B Nick Markakis - RF
Alex Rios - CF Melvin Mora - DH
Vernon Wells - DH Aubrey Huff - 3B
Adam Lind - LF Oscar Salazar - 1B
Scott Rolen - 3B Adam Jones - CF
Travis Snider - RF Luke Scott - LF
Curtis Thigpen - C Omir Santos - C
John McDonald - SS Brandon Fahey - SS

 

Tonight's post title comes from "Baltimore," a great song of the best-titled (though not my favourite) Lyle Lovett record, Joshua Judges Ruth.  The Jays head in to Baltimore to end their series, and J.P. Ricciardi must be feeling pretty confident and wise after the Jays gave him another year to make the playoffs, despite the fact that the team looks to end this season in 4th place and with a record not significantly better than they've done in the past two seasons. Please do let us know what you think about J.P. being back for another year in the comments and poll for the post below, and stop by and chat about that, as well as the game and anything else on your mind, tonight in the game thread. 

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yeah he is

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that is a great show

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no

but I have seen all four of them at various times

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Ely is a favorite of mine....

well all of them really but I saw Joe Ely at the Calgary Folk Fest several years back and he just blew me away. Then saw John Hiatt at the Edmonton Folk Fest a couple of years later and he amazed me with how much sound he could get out of his guitar

by rincewind on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he is a great guitar player, I agree

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was invited to a guitar contest that he was to judge a few years back.....

but I chickened out….I’m not really that type of guitar player, but was kind of mad at myself that might have been able to talk to him for a bit, but was phoned two days before and I’m never going to impress people as a guitar god

by rincewind on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that is really cool

you must shred compared to me, I’m not a flashy player at all, more of a Pete Townsend guitar player-songwriter type

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just made a fairly long-winded post

relating to the poll you posted. I reluctantly concluded that I thought the one-year extension was justified, though would not have approved of anything more than that.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought he was already under contract

and they just decided not to fire him

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oops, sorry

but if they put off firing him for an additional year, it’s basically the same as an extension

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with that

he won’t admit his mistakes, but he does learn from them

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wednesdays with JP

 on the FAN every wednesday

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cool

I find talk radio (sports or otherwise) unlistenable. I really only listen to the radio when I’m in the car, which isn’t that often, and I can’t listen to talk.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't really listen to the show

other than occasionally, but I do think it’s cool that J.P. does it. If the callers in were better (say, Bluebird Banter readers), the show would be great, I think.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah he does put up with a lot of jerks....

course that gets the ‘headline’ type quotes

by rincewind on Sep 26, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if the callers to that show

are anything like your standard-issue Leafs Chat callers, then it must be absolutely ridiculous

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not only like those callers

but literally the same people

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

half of them phone in drunk

wanting to tell JP off but have no clear idea why

by rincewind on Sep 26, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

probably on the way home from the RC

after watching the Jays drop a 2-1 game

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I don’t expect him to admit to his mistakes when some idiot calls in to bash him for letting Reed Johnson go (full disclosure – as you know, I savaged that move on the site) – but it would impress people if he admitted to having learned from his experience when talking to the press

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's true

assuming the money they would have to pay him anyway doesn’t factor into the equation, which I’m sure it doesn’t.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if nothing else

it should provide a good starting point for debate, or at least for everyone to gang up and vehemently disagree with me.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so, Richmond is rocking

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:17 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm getting pretty comfortable with the idea of Richmond as the 5th starter

now we just need 2 and 3

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good question

ideally, I would have Litsch as 4 and Purcey starting in AAA and working on strike-throwing and being the first callup

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Litsch has been good enough this season to pencil in as number 3, certainly

and based on his peripherals, there’s a good chance his success will continue, but if he does decline in performance, he’d still be a decent 4.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if he doesn't decline

Litsch will certainly put up number-3 type stats. But I still think the Jays need to at least look for two starters if AJ leaves. Don’t force anything if there aren’t decent players/contracts to be had, but I dont know how much I like a Doc-Litsch-Richmond-Purcey-someone rotation

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that may be better for Purcey's long term development

but if the goal is to compete next year, I think Purcey has shown more major league readiness thus far. It would obviously depend on what they both show in spring training, but I think Purcey is a bit better at this point

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Richmond's numbers are better, I think

not counting today, 17/2 K/BB in 21 innings isn’t bad (though his whip is a little high) Purcey’s whip and K numbers are similar, and he’s had more great starts, but he has also walked more and gotten shelled more. Richmond hasn’t had a bad start yet, that’s not bad in 5 efforts for a rookie, is it?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he has definitely been good as well

maybe I’m blinded by the few lights-out starts that Purcey has put up

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when he is good

he’s really good, I agree

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be helpful for someone like myself……

by Carm on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good idea

I still don’t know where Moonraker comes from, I missed that game.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

haha

me neither

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

who was it........can't remember......

but it was such a long ummmm convoluted explanation we had to keep it

by rincewind on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

jessef

I think

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Moonshot = power

Raker = average
Moonraker = portmanteau

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Sep 26, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's a cool idea

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

gets out of the mini-jam? jamette? jamino?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:39 PM EDT   0 recs

woot!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a small thing

but I am quite annoyed that we didn’t trade Mac and Frasor for Shin-Soo Choo when we had the chance

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

wow

just looked at Choo’s numbers. They are great.

Apparently there is some business with him having to serve soon in the Korean military (like he has to fulfill his requirement before he reaches a certain age) and noone really knows how that will play out.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm that is fascinating

last season, Cleveland was way down on him and was desperate for a SS, not thinking that Peralta could do the job anymore, and relief arms (with Borowski as their closer), and I definitely think we could’ve made it happen. I was all over it, but JP didn’t make an offer, as far as I know

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you should have called into Wednesdays with JP

you could then have taken credit for a real major league transaction

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I did actually

my first time ever calling into a talk radio show, but they didn’t put me on the air

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it would be really funny

if some GM organized a few days over the course of a season for fans to call or Email in moves that they think the team should make. Most of them would obviously be ridiculously suggestions in the “I think we should trade our backup catcher for Albert Pujols” vein, but with proper screening of submissions, I think that it could actually help the team make some decent transactions.

Of course, few if any GM’s would be willing to submit to this, as it means admitting that they may not have as much super-valuable talent and insider knowledge as they would like to think.

by SuckaMD on Sep 26, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

I sort of knew I wouldn’t get on, since no one in Toronto had likely ever heard of Shin-Soo Choo. I thought maybe calling from DC I would have a chance, but that certainly did not help

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rain delay?

it’s not really raining here, that’s weird

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

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