It would take a heck of a run. I just want them to finish ahead of the Yankees at the moment.

we’d arguably have to name the starting pitcher award after Doc, since his 2000 was one of the worst years ever for a starting pitcher in major league history. An argument could still be made for Towers, but not a very strong one. so you can’t just go by one awful season with no context.

Lamp was 11-0 in 85….but hit other two seasons with us just sucked. The other point in Lamp’s favor, he was a big free agent signing.

Signed as a free agent for $600,000 for the 2003 season he was 0-4, 1 save in 44 games, 5.64 ERA and released after the season. Signed with Colorado after that but didn’t play in the majors. Likely JP signed him because he had been with Oakland before that and had been a pretty good reliever for them.

He pitched in one game in the ALDS in each of 2000 and 2001 for Oakland and took the lost in each game. A point in his favor, for this poll, is that Jason Frasor is hign up on his Similarity Score list.

He just came up in the game thread the other day and it was fairly quickly decided the Suckage Award should be named after him. Other than this, I doubt I’ve ripped him at all, mostly cause I don’t care that much about him. He likely gets talked about more as a rip on JP for paying him big money after the one decent season.

Mac is likes for his defense, Scoot….well someone complained just last week that I slagged him too much, mostly because I hate giving up that much offense at 3B and I’d rather have Mac’s glove at short.

I actually got ripped for complaining about it when we traded Hinske. He played badly for the Red Sox, making it a non-issue, but I didn’t like that trade at all.

I think the problem with the whole Hinske thing was we signed him to the big deal a little prematurely, a large chunk of a small payroll, and then he never measured up. He never played up to the expectations that fans had based on his contract and his rookie season.

I can’t speak to other sites, but we’re definitely not Scoot fans here – and as for Mac, I enjoy his D as a former SS myself, but, every season, we come up with a long list of people we’d rather have at SS. I do think we’re wasting Mac by using a defensive replacement in the least important defensive position on the field, for one of our best hitters, and not using Mac as a defensive replacement in the most important defensive position on the field, for our worst hitter.

But you’re definitely right that Hinske is far from the worst offensive player we’ve ever had.