Beyond a Stretch of Maryland Pines There's a River Without a Name: 10/2 Game Thread, Jays at Orioles
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Toronto Blue Jays at Baltimore Orioles, Oct 2, 2009 7:05 PM EDT
The Jays kick off their final season series tonight in the Land of Pleasant Living. David Purcey looks to follow up a reasonably strong start for the Jays, while Jason Berken, who pitched well against the Jays his last time out, pitches for the black and orange icterids.
Kyle Phillips gets the start behind the plate tonight, while that Kevin Millar-shaped guy at the hot corner is, well, Kevin Millar. Since my trip to Minneapolis this week (great town, by the way), I've been rooting for the Twins to catch up to the Tigers, so I'll be flipping between this game and that one.
Today's title comes from an obscure Bruce Springsteen b-side called Shut Out the Light.
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mlb.com shows a different line up for tonight
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sitting in a hotel room, get to watch the start of the game
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A weekend away sounds very nice! Without the kids?
by Carm on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just got back from what felt like weeks on the road
but was only a week
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good, yourself?
happy to be at the weekend
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I am....
looks like all hell is breaking loose in the jays clubhouse tho
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear Riccardi on the fan today when asked about his biggenst
dissapointment of the season he said the fans reaction to the season
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I find that really funny
considering the absolutely wretched job that the team did promoting this season to the fans. the offseason, even when they were in first place, it was basically nothing.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it weren't for the damn fans life would be perfect
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And poor run distribution
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have our end-of-season softball tournament tomorrow
so my season and the Jays’ are ending a day apart
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we finished the season 10-1
with a bunch of rainouts. the tournament is pretty cool actually, the Assistant Attorney General throws out the first pitch
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last season
we got destroyed in the tournament by a bunch of former minor league players masquerading as a component of the Justice Department. They didn’t even know what the branch they were supposed to be playing for did.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Justice Dept. cheated at softball? that is a little disoncerting
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure he is going to hack it behind the plate
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't look so bad the first couple of starts
but those were terrible throws
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shaping up to be a real interesting off season, could have new prez, gm, manager,
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well based on recent commentary, it seems like there is going to be quite a bit of turnover
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....or maybe none of that will happen....never can tell with these guys
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beeston doesn't hire his replacement soon
he should be fired for non-performance.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be nice to have some news to talk about this off season...
last winter was boring
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a crazy throw by mac
no harm done though
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting comment from elliot in the sun:
He speculates that if JP makes the annual end-of-the-year, state-of-the-franchise address booked for Monday at 11 a.m. then he’s likely in for next year
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you have to like the Doc reaction to the clubhouse situation
Halladay on clubhouse situation: “Any concerns I have will be addressed to the right people.”
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was quite the hugg/cuddle shot there with scutaro and I think Inglett
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
scoot seems to get along with everyone
he seems to be pretty laid back and almost always looks like he is having fun
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Oct 2, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in ten years, when he can't play anymore
he can sign with the jays and have millar’s designated good guy job
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i bet he accepts arb... injury looks bad
by Andy Mc on Oct 2, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Planter Fasciitis?
hurts a lot but not a long term problem
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Glaus's problem
and made him want out, but we’re supposedly getting new turf
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he actually injored the plantar tendon, he doesnt have the normal condition that is much like arthritis
by Andy Mc on Oct 2, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's on his feet, we just saw him
and he’s talking about playing…isn’t that big a deal
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not here...but scoot was on camera walking a moment ago....
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
walking yes, playing 162 @ SS, doubtful
by Andy Mc on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok.....I doubt he's got long term troubles, but not worth the argument...
he doesn’t sound worried so that’s good enough for me.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
step away for a sec … and it is a game
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that off the rail off the second section?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, back of a seat 3/4 back in the front section
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$75MM 2010 lineup:
Scutaro
Overbay
Hill
Lind
Wells
Snider
Ruiz
Encarnacion
Barajas
by Andy Mc on Oct 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my only question about Ruiz
is how he does with RiSP — as the data shows (avg / obp / slg / ops) Ruiz seems to do much better with bases empty
Bases Empty .361 .418 .787 1.205
Runners On .209 .300 .349 .649
RISP .200 .346 .250 .596
RISP w/2 Outs .250 .455 .375 .830
Bases Loaded .333 .400 .667 1.067
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
extremely small samples...means nothing...
talking about a handle of at bats…
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AB count by class above (61, 43, 20, 8, 3) — so small sample size for sure but not extremely
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
61 at bats is an extremely small sample....
equivalent of 12 games? have you seen a player have a 12 game hot or cold streak?
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its enough to make a valid statistical inference
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i agree it will normalize over time
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope...not close...
RISP 20 at bats….200 is 4 hits…if he got 2 more bloop singles he would be .300…if the difference between .200 and .300 is 2 bloop singles it’s an extreme small sample.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, now I have u defending Ruiz … ;-)
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh isn't about defending...the 100 At bats total is a small sample...
breaking it down to smaller bits is of no value…every player in baseball will have runs of 100 good and bat at bats. People get on Rios for 100 bat at bats with the White Sox but this year’s MVP Mauer had a run of 100 bad at bats.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were Mauer's worst 100 at-bats as bad as Rios's best 100 at-bats?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I read his worst 100 at bat run was an OPS of .600 or just a bit better
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Barajas would be a good example...
if you judged him on his best 100 at bat run, he’s an all star and the worst stretch he’s horrible…need a long stretch to judge a player. guessing Ruiz is bad with RISP off 20 at bats is like sending Adam Lind down to the minors after 17 bad at bats.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruiz 10 HR 106 AB = full season 60 HR's.
I know. I know, it’s probably not reasonable. But when does it become reasonable. Was it any more reasonable to assume that Hill would hit 35+.
Heck, maybe he is the solution at DH. Hard to argue with performance, so far.
by REMO on Oct 2, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Lind has been a pretty decent DH, when you say the 'solution' to DH I didn't know
there was a problem
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lind to 1B
Find a good offensive and defensive outfielder like Mike Cameron
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many runs will a good defensive LF save you. Not many.
by REMO on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming he'll play CF
And a good defensive LF will save you about a win more than a good defensive 1B
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Cameron....
get a great defensive CF with pop and remake us as a defensive team again
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that as well, we'll need a new GM willing to make some major
changes though, a new guy moving wells to right, firing Cito
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seems reasonable, because I think an outfield of Wells, Lind and Snider
with a young pitching staff could be ugly
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well....when a guy has been playing 12 years in the minors and hasn't got 30 homers there...
you tend to trust the long term more than 100 hot at bats….he looks good but he isn’t going to hit 60 homers. Or anything like that
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody hits 60 HR's these days (possible exception of Pujols)
But 30-35? Why not? He’d only need to hit 20-25 more in 500+ AB. We’ve been over the fact many times that he’s been very good, power and average-wise, everywhere he’s been.
by REMO on Oct 2, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 to 25 more is easier said than done...easy to have a hot streak
hard to have a season. He will be 32 next year…he isn’t going to suddenly become a 35 home run guy at that age. I’d like him to get a shot but have to be reasonable about what to expect.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cito responds
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah cito keeps saying that 'I manage like I would have like to be managed'
but then he doesn’t because he forgets that not everyone is an everyday player, which is what he wanted to be. He talks to some guys, doesn’t talk to others and then is surprised when the others complain
by Tom Dakers on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a good end of the season audition for Purcey
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I doubt it could rain so much before we make an out
that they’d call the game
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Oct 2, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there is josh facing the uniform he once cheered for as a child when his father played
by aagoodfella on Oct 2, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like this may be the last inning as well
by ClintB on Oct 2, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they should have gone to dirk before roenicke threw those meatballs
by Andy Mc on Oct 2, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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