Arbitration Eligible Jays

by Tom Dakers on Nov 13, 2009 12:25 PM EST in News Comment 13 comments

We have 10 players who are eligible for arbitration this off season. Shawn Marcum, Dustin McGowan, Brandon League, Jose Bautista, Jason Frasor, Jeremy Accardo, Brian Tallet, Shawn Camp, Casey Janssen and Raul Chavez. If you are Alex Anthopoulos, which ones do you offer arbitration to, which ones do you negotiate with and which ones do you let walk away? The Jays, in JP's time never actually went to arbitration, they always made the deal before it got that far, we don't know what Alex feels about it.

Shawn Marcum: yeah I offer him arbitration. It's his first year of arbitration and he made $405,200 last year. With his injury last year, I'm not sure what he'd be likely to get from the arbitrator, $1.5 million.

Dustin McGowan: he made $419, 400 last year. He's a trickier case, I'd really want to make a deal with him without going to arbitration, mostly because we don't know what he might give us this year. Would he take $.5 plus incentives?

Brandon League: it is his second arbitration year, they avoided it last year signing him to a $640,000 contract. Of course I'd offer him arbitration. Would likely look to sign him around $1.5 million.

Jose Bautista: he signed for $2.4 million avoiding arbitration last year. I'd be worried about offering him it this year, on the chance that he gets awarded $4.5 million or more. I'd negotiate with him but much over $3 million would seem like too much to me.

Shawn Camp: asked for $.95 million from the arbitrator but settled for $0.75 plus incentives in a deal to avoid the hearing. To be honest, I would let him walk. He was good last year but I do not think he has any trade value and might get $2 million from arbitration. too much to me.

Jason Frasor: he got $1.45 million last year avoiding arbitration. I'd think he'd be looking for mid $3 this time. You'd have to offer it but try to sign him before hand.

Jeremy Accardo: he was at $900,000 last year. I have no idea what the team wants to do with him. He might get close to $2.0 mil from the arbitrator. Your guess is as good as mind for what the Jays will do.

Brian Tallet: made $1.015 mil last year. I said at the trade deadline last year that I would look to trade him. I would still be looking to trade him, his value will never be higher. He could get $2.5 or so from an arbitrator. I can not see him starting for us again, with all the young arms we have and he will likely get too much money to be another lefty arm in the pen.

Casey Janssen: made $413,900, I doubt he would get much more next year. I am sure he will sign for close to the minimum.

Raul Chavez: signed as a free agent for $0.5 million. Likely would take that again and for that I would sign him. I wouldn't offer more or offer arbitration. There are lots of catchers at his level out there.

So what would you do?

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Tricky one.. but...

S Marcum – We have to offer, and i`d think 1.5 is close
D McGowan – Very similar, but maybe 1 + incentives
B League – Offer, but I think we`re looking at 2 or 2.25
J Bautista- Let the Bum go, spend the money elsewhere
J Frasor – Offer, but try to sign long term, maybe 3 at 3.25
J Accardo – Offer, again, long term signing, 3 at 2.25
B Tallet – Offer, but definatly trade the guy
S Camp – He`s useful, i`d try to sign him maybe 2 at 1
C Janssen – Don`t offer, sign for min or let walk
R Chavez – Don`t offer, but sign for just over min, very useful catcher.

Seems like our entire bullpen is eligible… Maybe we could look at signing a few long term to get some consistency out there…

by Lanky07 on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Shawn Marcum – I have no problem offering arbitration to Marcum, and I watch him like a hawk this year. He does even decently, and I lock him up to a longer term deal, in the same vein as Hill. Buy out his remaining years and aim for something in the range of four years.

Dustin McGowan – near minimum with incentives for IP. If he passes, then I’d have to really weigh considering arbrtration, whether it will add too much, but be ready to move him or cut him.

Brandon League – I’d offer a deal, aim for around 1 – 1.5mil to avoid arbitration, since I think he’d get closer to 2. League is another, despite his maddening inconsistancy, I think about trying to make a longer deal. Because if it is reasonable, I think League could always be moved, even if struggling. Plenty of teams would risk 2-3mil a year on a potential shutdown clsoser.

Jose Bautista – I only go to arbitration with Bautista if I’m already deep into a deal that he’s part of. Otherwise, 3mil tops and if he refuses, I cut him. Inglett and Ruiz on the bench makes up for each ‘slot’ that Bautista represents for less; RH power bat, multiple IF/OF roleplayer.

Shawn Camp – unlike most people, I give Camp his 1mil and sign him gladly. Camp I think has really proven to be a dependable long relief man. He occasionally gives up a bad inning, but more often than not, he’s gone out for 3-4 innings and kept the Jays in it. People underestimate how hard it is to find a reliever that mentality can hack a bullpen role which is essentially getting thrown to the dogs. Relief pitchers are the violinists of the baseball world; nervous, high-strung, prone to histronics and above all, overly sensitive about failure. Most guys can’t mentally handle a year of getting into the game in the fourth inning, down five runs, and asked to just hold the line and mostly likely lose. I’m not that big on Camp as a pure pitcher (but that sinker can be just filthy at times), but as a roleplayer in the bullpen, I’m very happy with him.

Jason Frasor – like Bautista, I only risk arbitration if I’ve got a plan already to move him in a package. Otherwise, I make an offer around 2-2.5mil, and see what happens. Even if it goes to arbitration, I’m confident Frasor could be moved as a closing option to other teams if needed.

Jeremy Accardo – Yes, and I try to buy out a few years. Accardo and Frasor are kind of linked for me; with one, you don’t need the other, so you see which one can be moved for value, and which can be signed for less. In that situation, I’m likely moving Frasor and signing Accardo longer term.

Brian Tallet – You make a deal on decent terms. You can always move a left-handed pitcher who can start or relieve interchangably.

Casey Janssen – I go for around the same as he made last year, and see what happens. Unfortunately for Janssen, Hayhurst, Richmond, and Roenicke make him not a must-have piece.

Raul Chavez – sign for around the same, solid backup who can be cut or replaced without much pain.

by dexfarkin on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

how does this work?

http://baseball.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_baseball_arbitration_works

by aagoodfella on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Since 1974, and including 2006, arbitrators have ruled on behalf of the players 199 times and clubs 269 times. Although the number of players filing for salary arbitration varies per year, the majority of cases are settled before the arbitration hearing date. For example, since 1990, 1,764 cases were filed and 198 were heard, which means approximately 88 percent of the players filing for arbitration reach new agreements before a hearing.

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/info/faq.jsp#arbitration

by aagoodfella on Nov 13, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Shawn Marcum: not really comfortable with offering an injured player arb, but given the number of pitching injuries the Jays are suffering, hands may be tied. sign or arb

Dustin McGowan: i would offer him $0.6, to avoid arb. It is 40-50% more than arb so basically paying for the option on his recovery.

Brandon League: sign or arb

Jose Bautista: wait til very last minute to see if roster need. But if he is not necessary to keep around, as for arb? Can’t do it.

Shawn Camp: offer 0.85

Jason Frasor: sign or arb

Jeremy Accardo: hmmm, $0.9 – no arb, he has to accept of his own volition – he was unhappy last year for non-play yet when he did get a chance to play he repeatedly failed to prove himself. He is ok sometimes. But I do not want a guy around who is unhappy with both money and playing time. It is a bad marriage.

Brian Tallet: sign or arb

Casey Janssen: min

Raul Chavez: $0.5

by aagoodfella on Nov 13, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

looking at the other posts, I am guessing I am a bit cheap, LOL

by aagoodfella on Nov 13, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Time to pay the piper...

S Marcum – The Shaunster will be back making eveyone but homerun hitters look like Mendoza. Give the guy a mil or two and a case of Bud. Hell – he might be our Ace.

D McGowan – Our diabetic friend has had a lifetime of bad luck fit into a couple of years. Give the guy his very own box of shiney bangles and a mil or so.

B League – Finally – the dude is getting his play up to the level of his tattoos. A coupla mil and a gallon of tattoo ink should do it.

J Bautista – The guys gotta stay he can play every position on the field – and at the same time – he even hits once or twice a month. Offer him the right to sit next to Cito on transnation flights and a $600 gift certigicate to Tim Hortons – that should do it!

J Frasor – The guy has harnassed his stuff. He and a healthy Downs will try and fight off Zack Stewart for the closer job. A couple o’ mil and two tickets on the Maid of the Mist – make him pay to rent the raincoat.

J Accardo – IF healthy, and zoned in he’s the real McCoy – IF SO – why did we sign McCoy? So freakin confusing. Keep this dude.

B Tallet – Very useful long releiver and sometime emergency starter. Offer the guy enough to keep him and get him an 8 X 10 signed glossy of Scott Richmond. He’ll be thrilled!

S Camp – I LOVE THIS GUY! To righties he throws this kick ass frisbie that starts out behind their backs and then cuts across the plate to the out side corner. To lefties that same pitch starts out going towards the CN Tower and then cuts back to break their wrists. I LOVE THIS GUY!

C Janssen – Finally he should be fully recovered – sign him and do it smartly.

R Chavez – Bring the little overachiever back – what the hell – bring his front too!

AA stop tying to shop the Franchise – sign these guys and get us another bat or two. I smell sweaty Red Sox lookin’ for a beatin’.

by Mylegacy on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

who's in our bullpen??

1. Scott Downs
2. Jason Frasor
3. Jesse Carlson
4. Brandon League
5. Brian Tallet
6. Shawn Camp
7. Dustin McGowan
………
8. Jeremy Accardo
9. Casey Janssen
10. Josh Roenicke

(I have our starters currently as Doc, Marcum, Romero, Rzep, Cecil.)

I think Richmond is in Vegas.

by ayjackson on Nov 13, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs