Today's Roy Halladay Rumor
by Tom Dakers on Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST
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PrintThis morning's LA Times and the Toronto Star have the Angels interested in Roy Halladay. The Times says that the Angels tried to trade for him at the deadline but that JP Riccardi wanted Erick Aybar in the deal and the Angels didn't want to trade Aybar. JP also wanted either Joe Saunders or Jered Weaver and outfield prospect Peter Bourjos. Bourjos, a 10th round draft pick in 2005 has had a pretty non-spectacular minor league career, but can play CF and steal bases. He played Double-A last year and looks at least a year from being major league ready.
I don't know, without Aybar that doesn't look like a great package for Doc, I'd imagine the Angels wouldn't mind giving away Brandon Wood. If you believed Wood could play short and you got one of Saunder/Weaver/Erwin Santana and a good prospect or 2, you might be getting somewhere.
But what really caught my attention was the last couple of paragraphs in the Star story:
Also, lurking in the background, is the issue of free agency. The Jays have said they will not be off-season spenders. But there is a school of thought that the Jays could be surprise suitors for Trail, B.C. all-star left-fielder Jason Bay.
Bay has already refused a four-year, $60 million (U.S.) offer from his current club, the Boston Red Sox. If the Jays are willing to go to five years for the 31-year-old, he might be the signing to assuage fan anger at the loss of Halladay.
Is there anyone out there that thinks giving Jason Bay a 5 year $75 million plus contract won't turn out to be a terrible mistake? Here we want to trade away our 32 year old ace but sign a 31 year old LF so we can have 3 guys that can only play LF. I guess we think this is poker, three of a kind beats ace high. If you think Bay's defense was bad this year in a tiny LF in Boston, imagine him at 37 playing in a larger LF in Toronto. The only way signing Bay makes any sense at all is if we are keeping Doc and making a run at it this year.
Not that I think taking a run at it this year is that bad of a move, I can't imagine the Red Sox looking as bad as they look going into next season ever again. They are aging badly in a number of spots. If you are thinking wild card, could there be a better moment? But an outfield of Bay, Wells and Snider might be a hard thing to watch for 162 games. Signing Bay for 5 years would mean seeing those three in the outfield together for a long time.
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The only way Bay makes any sense is if you’re already planning to move either Lind or Snider (or Wells) as part of some kind of package. If there’s some kind of three way deal between, say, the Angels, Indians and Jays that somehow brings Sizemore to Toronto, with either Lind or Snider going in one direction or another, you have the kind of weight to move Wells over to right and make Bay worth a run at.
So, yeah, unless Beeston has personally decided Bay is the next cornerstone of the franchise, or there’s some kind of deal in the works that will also bring a quality CF starter in, Bay just doesn’t make sense for the direction the club wants to take. I’d rather dump Lind and Snider in the field and go shopping for a bat like Delgado for a year or two at DH and see what’s available young for the position.
good lord
i don’t think we have anything that would land us sizemore, barring halladay and i don’t think the tribe are in the market for him being sellers at the deadline last year.. but that does look like the AL All-star outfield if wells can put it together… BAY – SIZEMORE – WELLS ..
if we’re having delusional fantasies.. i would land matsui to be our DH bat, Torrealba at C and try to find a SS somewhere
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by AkiSchennberg on Nov 24, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not entirely delusional. Think about it. The Dodgers give up Billingsley and a couple of prospects for Halladay, which goes to the Tribe with Snider in return for Sizemore. The Indians get younger and cheaper, adding a rotation ready starter and a potential replacement for Sizemore’s bat in the field. Dodgers get Halladay, and the Jays pick up Sizemore and his contract. It’s unlikely, certainly, but the Indians have mentioned that Sizemore was possibly on the market, and it’s not outside of the scope of possibility.
why wouldn’t the Jays just keep Billingsley…then move Snider and a few other prospects to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera then they are much better off then they were in 2009 with Cabrera and Billingsley…again HIGHLY unlikely but clearing Doc’s salary and replacing it with Cabrera’s isn’t such a bad idea….
Because as far as I’m aware, the Tigers aren’t sellers and aren’t currently open to moving Cabrera. I could be wrong, certainly, but the Indians have been dumping payroll with Lee and Rodrigeuz, and Sizemore’s been mentioned as potentially available for the right price.
I had heard a little bit about the Tigers looking to move some payroll going into next season…things are going horrible economically in Detroit and the team is/was reportedly tight on money and not looking to do much in free agency this off season…don’t know how interested the Jays would be in his mammoth contract but it’s possible he might be obtainable.
Sizemore certainly could be on the block as well they dumped their other star players that weren’t much older than him, and Sizemore would net a good return and he might not be around when they’re ready to contend again.
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If Rogers Commits to $120mil, Sure
Cabrera’s contract is mammoth, which is why I’d think not. But it would be nice to see him in the four spot, there’s no doubt.
And if Rogers commits to $120M
we don’t trade Halladay.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
read on MLB trade rumors this morning that the Tigers may move Cabrera, like teejay notes they are looking to shed salary and Cabrera, Granderson and Edwin Jackson may become available this off-season.
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Although, I think Cabrera’s contract is the sticking point. $19mil a year for another six years is a huge obligation. Granderson I’d be very interested in, if you could get him for some young pitching; he’s owed about $5.5mil or so next year, good CF, good speed, and has power. He walks well, and his subpar average last year looked like more of a blip than signs of decline. Snider/Granderson/Wells would be a solid hitting trio and an average defensive OF.
I think...
Detroit was lookig to move Granderson/Jackson if the team was willing to also take on a bad contract so that migh tbe a sticking point for the Jays unless they could take on Nate Robertson or Gary Sheffield or Magglio Ordonez which I doubt they’d want to do.
I don’t see that being in the Jays plans. Unless they think they can move one of the bad contracts and only eat some of the salary to another club at a level that makes Granderson/Jackson still worth while, I doubt it.
So, I’m going to go back to my three way deal with LA and Cleveland for Sizemore. grin
Money...
might not be as much of an issue if the Jays move Halladay’s contract for Billingsley and include Overbay in the deal to Detroit…
A young core of Cabrera, Billingsley, Lind, Hill, Snider would be the stuff that dreams are made of :)
Please, AA, do NOT sign Bay! What we need is someone who can play a capable CF and someone who can play SS.
@AkiSchennberg, Matsui is probably too expensive and Torrealba sucks.
Torrealba is 3 years younger than Barajas
and usually has a better OBP, but I’d rather trade for Doumit.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Well...
I said in a fanpost earlier that I’d like to see The Jays and Angels hook up on a Halladay deal…something like Wood, Saunders and possible prospects Mark Trumbo (1B) and Hank Conger © could get a deal done…
But I don’t see how then signing Jason Bay would make any sense at all…Lind is younger and better offensively and can’t really be worse defensively in LF so what’s the point of picking up another LF? Picking up a capable CF or RF makes much more sense
Agreed
As I mentioned, if you’re already content to have a defensive outfield like Bay/Wells/Snider with Lind DHing, you might as well have Lind/Wells/Snider and sign a cheaper, shorter term DH on the market. Same numbers, less money, less risk.
my Doc to the Angels trade proposal
not interested in their starting pitching.
Jeff Mathis, Brandon Wood, Trevor Reckling, Peter Bourjos, Ryan Chafee
holy shot mathis sucks
I haven’t been paying attention – maybe I will take that pitcher after all.
Deja Vu
Bay has already refused a four-year, $60 million (U.S.) offer from his current club, the Boston Red Sox. If the Jays are willing to go to five years for the 31-year-old, he might be the signing to assuage fan anger at the loss of Halladay.
Didn’t we already do this in 2005? Let a perenial All-Star & potential Hall of Famer (Delgado) walk and then sign a lesser-calibre Canadian (Koskie) to a much higher contract than he could get anywhere else, hoping fans would care more about seeing the “local boy” than trivial things like, um, winning? How’d that work out again?
Know what would cost $15M a year and assuage the loss of Halladay?
Not losing Halladay.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
personally, I would be happy if the Jays signed Roy for 5 years at $20M per year … but lots of teams would do that and still deliver him to the WS sooner - the smartest play is to trade him
What the Jays are going to be able to trade Halladay for won't get them to the WS faster than Halladay
Will Phil Hughes be better than Halladay in any of the next 5 years? No. With Clay Buchholz? No. I’m not convinced Joba will be better than Ricky Ro in any of the next 5 years.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I'm with you on the Joba....
if we trade Doc for Joba I’ll be very upset. But this is the team that thinks signing Johnny Mac for 2 years is a good use of funds and roster spots.
no, not the Jays getting to WS, I am talking about Roys’ desire for a WS win. In his mind, he is probably looking for another platform that can get him there faster or at least with a higher probability.
by aagoodfella on Nov 26, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
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