Lyle Overbay for Chris Snyder

Update: Steve Gilbert from MLB.com says the trade is "on hold".

Overbay's on-base skills would be a welcome addition in the Diamondbacks lineup. He is owed $7 million next season in the final year of his contract. He turns 33 in January.

Snyder is owed at least $11.25 million through 2011 -- $4.75 million in 2010, $5.75 million in 2011 with a $6.75 million option/$750,000 buyout in 2012 -- so if no money changes hands in the deal, the Diamondbacks would save $4.25 million over two years.

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love it....have to wait to see on any moneys changing hands

Is this salary trimming or not? Hard to say.

It has to mean more moves or Ruiz/Dopirak to 1B.

by ayjackson on Nov 7, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Or Lind at first...

Would save money over signing Rod Barajas.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 7, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

source?

by ayjackson on Nov 7, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

On Lind?

They’ve been talking about moving Lind to first for a while.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 7, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no - original story

by ayjackson on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

this one?

the Link is the title…click on that.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 7, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ughh...

what’s the source of the original story – i can’t see it reported anywhere.

by ayjackson on Nov 7, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i definitely need work on my "reply"ing to comments

by ayjackson on Nov 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so just listened to AA's conference call, so Halladay trade sounds likely IMO, also no

big free agents this year, but I did like him stating he wants the best and biggest scouting department in the big leagues, very different from JP there. I’m truly excited, I also like the increased scouting in Latin America, I’m on board.

by ClintB on Nov 7, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

yea, it would be nice to have Scutaro transitioning into scouting after his playing career is done. He seems to a have a good baseball mind. Assuming he is interested in returning to Venezuela, it would be nice to have him in the organization but that is a big if and dependent on a lot of contingencies.

by aagoodfella on Nov 7, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d like this move a lot. If he comes back from the back surgery, Snyder’s got a lot of upside. At the very least, he’s a decent younger player who can anchor the plate for a few years, to see if they have anything in Arencibia or Jerolman. I’ll miss Overbay’s defense, but the thing that is going to be the highest level available for the lowest price this offseason is a 1B/DH type, so the Jays don’t have to rely on Ruiz proving his fall wasn’t just a fluke.

by dexfarkin on Nov 7, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Snyder seems like a good player

Snyder has very, very nice plate discipline and decent power. He’s also been terribly unlucky this year thanks to a .241 BABIP while posting a not too bad 16.9 line drive%, which should equate to a BABIP somewhere near .290. Two questions: is his defense as a catcher good? And is he going to be healthy?

by Woodman663 on Nov 7, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

His defense is supposed to be very good.

Healthy is something a doctor would have to decide.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 7, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

snyder

On the plus side, he only has 5 errors in 487 games which is pretty sweet.

On the indiffirence side, he is hitting (avg/obp/slg) 233 / 333 / 398 vs. Barajas at 238 / 284 /408 – it is not a big tradeup.

Moving Overbay would relieve some congestion at 1st.

by aagoodfella on Nov 7, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A 50 point edge in OBP is not a big trade up?

ok……

Error counts mean little. but the age difference is a big deal.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 7, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

It’s amazing how many people severely undervalue OBP. Patient hitters also force the opponent’s pitcher to show more of his stuff early on, which can’t be a bad thing.

Also, Snyder’s batting avg of .233 is twisted by that improbable BABIP, should be more in the region of .270 probably, which also means his OBP should be a world apart from Barajas’ OBP. Besides, Barajas will be getting even worse..

by Woodman663 on Nov 8, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

we should share that BABIP news with Thigpen. Perhaps there is an MLB career for him afterall.

by aagoodfella on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah…too many K’s for someone with so little power, and not a special walk rate either.

by Woodman663 on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

did Thigpen have chronic

low BABIP vs LD%?

by ayjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In 2007, the only season where he got even a half decent amount of PA, he had a .286 BABIP versus 24.1% line drives. So not that chronic.

by Woodman663 on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i am not such a big fan of OBP vs. average because a walk and a hit are valued the same in OBP and AVG

however, a hit usually advances a baserunner more than one base while a walk only moves a baserunner one base

I am not saying OBP is worth nothing, ceteris paribus, it does have value — but its value does have limitations

by aagoodfella on Nov 8, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not making an out counts most of all.

Barajas and Snyder have roughly equal batting averages and slugging averages. The difference, Snyder makes many fewer outs. Not making outs is the most important skill a hitter can have.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 8, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This would be a good pickup…even if their not looking to be contenders until ‘12-’13 Snyder still would be in his early thirties at the point and probably still above average in terms of getting on base and throwing out base stealers, both of which he does really well. He also has some pop in his bat.

JP and Jeroloman aren’t exactly setting the minor leagues on fire either and getting Snyder would increase the chance one of the two of them becomes useful to the Jays as a backup, as opposed to one of the two developing into a starter.

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by teejay1324 on Nov 8, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs