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Winter Meeting Bantering: End of Day 3

There were other things happening at the Winter Meetings today other than the Angels offer:

Cito Gaston talked to the media. Jordan Bastian posted about that (and other things). On Rzepczyski:

"Rzepczynski, if he can come back and pitch like he did, I mean, his record might not show how well he pitched, but if you go look at what guys hit off him, he had a great year for us as far as I'm concerned, and hopefully he's going to be part of our rotation coming up this year."

Nice to see he looks past the won/loss record. He talked to Dusty Baker about Alex Gonzalez:

"Well, you know what, I was talking to Dusty earlier today, and Dusty likes him a lot. He says he's a good player, plays hard, likes to play," said Gaston, who then smiled. "We can always fall back to Johnny Mac."

Oh please, let's not fall back on McDonald. Cito also said Marco Scutaro called him today to thank him, very classy and that he figures Jose Bautista will be leadoff man "as things stand now". Bautista doesn't hit right handers at all, so I hope not. I had been thinking that he would be non-tendered. We will find out Friday. 

In other news, Canadian Rich Harden is to sign with the Rangers, one year at $6.5 million with a mutual option for another year at $11 million with a $1 million buy out. 

The Red Sox are interested in Mike Cameron. I think that would be a good pickup for them, they could move Ellsbury out over to left and improve their defense a lot. Also the Red Sox are trying to trade Mike Lowell to, well anybody, but are talking to the Rangers. They are also talking to free agent Adrian Beltre

And the Rule 5 Draft is tomorrow morning. Jays have the 11th pick and Anthopoulos has said there are a couple of players they are looking at, since the team isn't figuring on competing this year they could carry a Rule 5er for the season. But with Johnny Mac on the roster too, that wouldn't leave much room for backups that could help us much. Johathan Mayo at MLB.com has a list of players who could be picked up. 

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Come on

I know Johnny Mac is a fan favorite, but please, we can’t fall back on him.

I liked Chef’s performance last season. He misses bats even though he throws 88mph, and gets a lot of groundballs. I just hope with Arny gone, our pitchers can stop getting injured.

by BenjiDoc on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

oh man, please not Bautista

by aagoodfella on Dec 10, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Good news

Looks like the Jays have signed Joey Gathright.

So what’s good about that? Hopefully it means that we no longer have that much interest in Bautista. I had a fit when I heard Cito on the radio talking about Bautista possibly leading off. The bad side is that Gathright is a marginal veteran player, which means that Cito might be tempted to overplay him. I think the best role for Gathright is to be the veteran 4th outfielder. Anything more than that is not helping this team get to where it needs to go.

by siggian on Dec 10, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

I admittedly have been a big Bautista basher, but it is unclear to me if this is a good deal. You get 30 more points in average for 100 points less in slugging. Gathright has more speed. Gath bats left while Jose bats right. Tough call.

by aagoodfella on Dec 10, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Bautista is more valuable than Gathright

Bautista is a slightly below average hitter and MLB player. Gathright hits about as well as Johnny Mac.

by Jevant on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

not sure I understand – Bautista bats 238 in 1754 PA (very bad average IMHO), but slugs 409
Gathright bats 263 in 1175 PA but slugs 303

they both OBP within a point of 328

i do not think either is satisfactory for the Jays’ needs

by aagoodfella on Dec 10, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

OPS+, career

Jose Bautista 91
Joey Gathright 68
John MacDonald 57

I realize that doesn’t take speed into account, but Gathright is much closer to Johnny Mac talent level than he is to Bautista.

by Jevant on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If only jumping over a car

got you to first base, Gathright would be a good player. I don’t get how Bautista is going to be the leadoff hitter. Maybe against lefties, but there’s nowhere on the diamond for him to play against righties. If the 2010 Jays feature Jose Bautista as an everyday corner outfielder at the expense of, well, almost anyone, I will not be pleased.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 10, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Says what kind of baseball player your are...

When the thing you are most known for is jumping over a car (and that was 7 years ago, I’ve heard)

by siggian on Dec 10, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I do like the idea of Gathright a bit

It would be nice if the Jays had a solid base stealer. This is why I am high on Bourjas (or however you spell his name from the Angels)

by Rhinos on Dec 10, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey! Johnny Mac is the primary pinch runner on this team!

LOL

by aagoodfella on Dec 10, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I just want a guy on the bench that can flat out run, and come in as a defensive replacement. Gathright can run, how is he in CF?

by Rhinos on Dec 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

here are his defensive stats, maybe Dakers can interpret them

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3913&position=P

by aagoodfella on Dec 10, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

they look good

not-great arm, good range, looks to me like he’d be an above-average corner OF (defensively) and at least an average CF.

Unfortunately, you can’t steal first, but I do like the idea of a defensive caddy for Lind/Snider/Wells, and we need a non-Bautista backup CF, IMO. I can’t imagine Gathright is the best we can do, though.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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