Roy Halladay Going to Philly?
by Tom Dakers on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM EST
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PrintThis looks like it might be real....Doc is in Philadelphia and apparently has taken a physical. Looks to be a 3 team deal, they aren't sure who the third team is, maybe Mariners, who would get Lee. Jays might be sending some money with Doc.
Update: Looks like the deal is done. Waiting to see what we get.
Update Again: Mariners are the third team.
And Again: Cliff Lee's agent says he hasn't heard about the deal from the team.
One more: Jon Heyman twits (I know, but I like this better) that Halladay will agree to the deal with the Phillies, but it not likely to finalize today.
Yeah yeah, more updates: we apparently are getting Canadian pitcher Phil Aumont and out Dominic Brown. Hopefully others.
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Well is there any chance Lee comes here?
Or does Doc go to Philli, Lee goes to the 3rd party and we get a bunch of prospects?
This reminds me of Jason Bay to Boston, Manny to LA and Pitsburg gets sh*t on again.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions
No chance Lee comes here....
We would get something from Phillies and likely something from Mariners
I'll withhold judgment
Until we find out what “something” is.
I just hope there is some major league ready talent.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think...
that Michael Taylor will be coming from Philly…he’s ML ready and should be able to handle RF duties also.
I don't mind sending money along with Doc
it’s all about the talent coming back.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well now...
this could be interesting the Jays could land prospects to fill internal holes after all…OF from the Phillies and maybe a catcher of SS from the other team and some pitching is always nice. Giving money to go with Doc will likely increase the return the Jays get!
Could be the Mariners, could also be the Angels as they were interested in Roy and could be in Lee too…
Interesting
I thought we would see the Phillies getting Halladay and keeping Lee, and going all out for this year.
Apparently, maybe, not.
If Doc truly is in Philadelphia, I’d say this is probably going down today or tomorrow at the latest.
Another likely World Series run is definitely worth the draft picks he’ll fetch. The only reason I can see for him leaving is the owner dictating it through their payroll.
by Belligerent Burkie on Dec 14, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds interesting but ....
for sure this sounds interesting but moving Roy is a big move. This just may prompt other interested teams to step up focus if they want Roy. Many sleepless nights coming up for AA I expect.
Would we get a prospect from the Mariners too?
Toronto in: Phillipe Aumont, J.A. Happ, Dominic Brown/ Taylor
Phillies in: Roy Halladay, cash
Mariners in: Cliff Lee
Where would the additional prospects go? Seattle would have to give up more. I’m talking out of my ass here if you weren’t able to tell.
GREAT!
Update: Looks like the deal is done. Waiting to see what we get.
There goes any productivity I would normally have had today.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions
Heyman says the trade is official
Can’t wait!
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/6673019520
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I think that's the smallest hurdle actually.
Getting a trade agreed upon with 3 teams in itself is tough.
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off topic
boston signed Lackey, jays don’t get their #29 pick anymore
at least we still get the compensatory round pick
knew this would happen
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This after we got clusterf****d last year with AJ going to the Yanks along with Tex and every other FA of note, knocking our pick waaaay down in the draft.
by Belligerent Burkie on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Phillies in town
June 25-27. Ill be there cheering Roy – think he will get a standing O?
I hope Roy does well, but I will never ever cheer for a player on another team against the Jays.
I hope he gets a standing O, but I want the Jays to win.
Crest on the front first, name on the back 2nd.
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One of the best.
I’ll be cheering for him on that one. We just couldn’t win for him.
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what is bastian saying
does anyone know his tweet URL
you, my friend
owe me a coke
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
haha
not on my screen
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Alright Im going home….
So. By the time I get there I want to see that the Jays got a boatload of prospects and players.
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much obliged
just waiting for news now
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funny
Heyman just said the extension is a formality
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
interesting
typically you want to get in front of a story like this, not wait for opinion to form and then have to change it. But I’m sure he has his reasons…
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I'm announcing I'm not going to announce anything.
Please wait for future announcements about the announcement that I’m announcing nothing…..must be fun to be a GM.
Figured this is kind of a big deal in Toronto.
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well at least he isnt going to the Yanks or Sox
knew it was gonna happen, but still, its gonna suck to see Doc go.
hopefully we get a big haul in return
agreed
Honestly, as sad as this make me, I really really want to see Doc win a few pennants.
And absent the Jays actually making the playoffs or something like that, nothing would make me happier than seeing the Doc shut down the Yankees or RedSox in Game 5 of a world series.
Any updates?!?!?!!?
This is killing me.
My spring/summer is riding on it!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions
I'm really happy its Brown
Aumont I know much less about
Who?
Is that good?!?!?
WHAT’S GOING ON?!?!?!
Bastian has not much to report:
bq. Baseball Gods are cruel. I throw my back out and go see a doctor. While I’m in the doc’s office, word starts spreading that DOC is traded.
7 minutes ago from TweetDeck
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
AND NOW BLOCKQUOTES AREN'T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
you think?
he only pitched out of the pen this year, any reason why?
I like Brown as a hitting prospect, though.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Who is this Brown?
So…we get 2 “prospects” and still pick up Doc’s salary?
Ummmmmm
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sore Elbow....
he’s thought to be a starter in the majors….he’s #33 on MLB’s top prospect list. has been striking out more than one an inning.
They said it: “He’s a potential workhorse with well above-average stuff. He has the ability to develop into a top-of-the-rotation type pitcher.” — Pedro Grifol, Mariners Director of Minor League operations
that makes sense
you have to love his arm, though it sounds like TJ might be in his future, haha
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hey, on our team, might as well get it over with and get him into a rotation
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Source looks like Jim Bowden retweeted by the Drunks
Phillippe Aumont, out of Quebec was the 11th overall pick a few years ago by the Mariners. You may remember him from the 7th inning of the WBC Canada vs USA game when he came in, loaded the bases, then got 3 outs in a row including 2 k’s to retire the side.
Looks like he may be a reliever, I am absolutely loving the possibility of a 6"7 Canadian closer running in from the bullpen in the 9th.
Couple of Days
According to the posts, it’ll be a couple of days for the details and contracts to get ironed out. Until then, I’d take any ‘final details’ on who’s coming with a grain of salt.
Bastian
RT @JimBowdenIV: Source: Toronto getting Phil Aumont and Dominic Brown in 3-way Halladay/Lee deal involving SEA/PHIL and TOR
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions
Someone tell me this is a good thing
I’m about to go Harey Carey
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Aumont is a Quebecer
Just 20, was in A and AA last year, didn’t go great in AA. First round draft pick in 2008, was a reliever last year. I’d want more than just those two.
Me too
Especially if Doc is still on the Jay’s payroll for 2010
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I don’t like any relief prospect being a major piece of a Doc deal.
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big boy. 6’7", 220lb. Right hander with top of the rotation potential according to MLB.com
He was the 33rd ranked prospect in their top 50. Was on a pitch count this year which I think explains the relief pitching
Not that there is any source
But I’ve just seen some speculation that Seattle is also throwing in Brandon Morrow and Tyson Gillies.
A million grains of salt, and I know very little about these prospects anyhow.
Morrow has serious upside
but Purcey-esque walk rates throughout his career
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If Roy does end up in Philly
What are the chances he wins the NL Cy Young? Bruce Arthur (who is a bit hyperbolic in his predictions) is pegging Halladay for 20+ wins and 2ish ERA. Which on a good team and with line-ups that generally aren’t as fearsome isn’t completely outrageous, although I think the ERA will be in the 2.3 range.
Thoughts?
by Belligerent Burkie on Dec 14, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions
Lincecum will give him decent competition but yeah, Halladay was a dominant pitcher in the AL East, now he plays in a significantly weaker division in a weaker league he’s going to murder batters.
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Philly is a tough park to pitch in
but being a groundballer should help Doc. Also, the other NL East parks are very accomodating for pitchers.
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Keith Law says deal not done
8 minutes ago.
It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?
Morosi says it's
Taylor, not Brown
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
While Taylor is ok
I would much prefer Brown.
I agree
Taylor might be a bit closer to the majors, but I think Brown grades out better as a prospect
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Interesting.
If someone else is going with Doc, the compensation better be a hell of a lot more.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely second wanting Triunfel
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Anyone else think Bastian's new twitter picture is creepy?
Nice beard?!?
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions
McCown apparently suggested that League could be on his way to the Mariners?
Or at least that’s what the Drunks report
not as a throw-in, I hope
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Oh dear god no
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
we are getting REAMED if losing Roy, League, paying part of Roy’s salary and only getting Brown and Aumont in return
i would say fire AA ASAP - thre better be a hella lot more coming this wya
No kidding
Hire AA and hire aagoodfella
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fox Sports Story has a poll
that I don’t appreciate: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10523430/Sources:-Jays,-Phils-talk-Halladay-Lee-blockbuster
Who wins in the trade?
Phillies?
Mariners?
Blue Jays…only kidding
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wow.
Again this reminds me of the Bay/Manny trade where the Pirates basically were just bent over and got whatever they got.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
well, there's a lot we don't know yet
best to hold off judgment
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Funny comments
Some of the comments on that poll were funny. People saying that Roy isn’t that good and bla bla bla.
I just think it's funny
that everyone was bashing the Jays last year, saying they made a huge mistake by not trading Doc. Now that they are trading him, people are saying it’s a bad trade for the Jays without even knowing what they are getting in return.
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in that article
“It’s not clear who the No. 3 starter will be [Seattle], since Brandon Morrow may be included in the trade.”
To who, the Jays of the Phils?
by Sir Real Ism on Dec 14, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Marcum
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah, thats probably who i'd go with too
hopefully he pitches as well as he did in ‘08. it’ll make this thing a lot easier to handle.
Cliff Lee
;-)
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
you like Morrow that much?
I like him, but see his walk rate being a potentially huge problem in the AL East
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I do like him alot.
But to me, he’d be the best starter on the roster. We’ll see how things turn out in spring training.
it would be pretty sweet if we snagged morrow along with the prospects
may be the bit of sugar to help the medicine go down
WTF?
Seriously I still don`t know who exactly we`re getting here? Maybe a catcher from Seattle???
Oh wow this is looking terrible
If we get Morrow, Brown and Aumont and thats it i might have to go and assassinate AA. That would be horrifically bad.
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Another rumour:
from a radio station. Toronto gets Aumont, Saunders, and Gillies from Seattle.
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In addition to Michael Taylor
That would be a good haul nonetheless. If it was just this imo.
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Saunders or Gillies would be interesting
Saunders has great potential as a hitting prospect, supposedly can play centre, is Canadian, and is similar to Snider in where he is right now, and Gillies is a leadoff type (although he hasn’t passed the double A test yet)
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Having Taylor or Brown and Saunders or Gillies
along with what the Jays have in the minors and majors now would definitely give us a bounty of young outfielders, but what about the infield?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Possibly moving Lind to 1B would help?
I guess? Hill’s at second, but the left side is a mess
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Another Rumour:
Jays get:
From Philies: Drabek
From Mariners: King Felix
Source: Craig
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions
lol, nice try
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No!
Kneejerk reactions! Drinking and riots!
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I am
I had a shot of JD and punched a coworker.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well are going hear every name in all three team's system before this is over....
Rosenthal and Morosi write that pitcher Phillippe Aumont of the Mariners and “possibly” outfielder Michael Taylor of the Phillies are among the players heading to Toronto in the trade. They add that outfielder Michael Saunders and pitcher Brandon Morrow are “in play.” The FOX duo confirms an agreement is in place to send Halladay to the Phillies and Lee to the Mariners.
oh please no......
MLBastian
Hearing that an official announcement for the Halladay deal, barring physicals and Doc extension, would come Wednesday at the earliest.
Wednesday?!?!?!
But its only Monday!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
And more voices heard
LisaWinstonMLB: If the Jays get Aumont and any two (or more) of Brown/Taylor/Saunders/Triunfel, I think they make out damn well
I agree with that statement
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
To echo Hugo's point above
Why an OF prospect?
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
that seems to be mostly what Seattle and Philly have
and I’d rather get an A outfield prospect than a B SS or third-base prospect
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but it is frustrating to have traded Doc and not have addressed
the primary organizational needs
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
or I should say it would be frustrating
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I think the biggest factor in this deal is that Roy will be out of the AL. I would take less to not have him screwing us over in NY or Boston.
Moustache Fever, not to be confused with swine flu.
Oh well
At least we have EE, Johnny Mac and Alex Gonzalex v2.0
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
For Morrow, Gillies, Saunders rumours
Remember that Phillie is apparently also getting some Seattle prospects in the deal. For all we know, Morrow could be heading to Philadelphia for Lee (ugh)
Why would Philly get prospects?
That doesnt seem right… they get an upgrade at pitcher and prospects?
does this seem like a strange deal for Seattle?
why would they empty their farm system for Cliff Lee, a year from FA. It didn’t work out very well when they did it for Bedard. Makes me think they must be getting something else.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but if they want to sign Lee to an extension
they should just have outbid Boston for Lackey – even if Lee is better than Lackey, I can’t imagine he’s better enough to justify giving up 2 or 3 of their best young players
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right
it depends on what they give up, I guess, but I can’t imagine a Lee extension would be that much less to justify giving up some of your best young talent, can you?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I don't think Lee will be less...
but I think the M’s want to win this year. I guess I’ll wait till I see who they are giving up. If it is Aumont for Lee I do it.
I agree
but Aumont, Morrow, and Saunders? No way.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'd be surprised if they gave up that much
and didn’t get something else meaningful back
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
If what is reported is true
They are only giving up 1 (Aumont)?
Wait a minute, that can’t be true. Essentially Lee for one prospect?
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose it does a couple things
1) Lee/Felix is the best 1-2 punch in baseball
2) Keeps Doc outta Anahiem
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
My personal guess is that Seattle give up 3 prospects for Lee..2 to Philly and 1 to us alongside 3 from Philly for Doc. Those would be Brown, Drabek, Taylor and Morrow
So far, I'm the only one that has thrown Drabek's name in the mix
I doubt he is part of the deal (Unless more than Doc is coming from the Jays(Brandon League?))
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I am the only one who thinks Lackey is not worthy of over $80 million and 5 years?
I know contracts are insane, but Lackey doesn’t seem to be that great of a pitcher.
it's the A.J. deal, basically
would you rather have Lackey or A.J.?
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not that I think either one is a great idea
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Id rather have Lackey
But wouldn’t pay the price for either so its irrelevant! haha
maybe
I`m not as high on League as u guys are i`d give him up without a second thought
I'm not opposed to trading League for the right return
but typically relievers don’t return much value at all in trades, and I’d rather not just toss him away
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lackey
Lackay`s a bust not because he can`t pitch but because he has HUGE red flags on durability
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
No worries!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Accardo`s better than League
League has no control and made it hard to have faith in ihim in tight situations this last year
Excuse me?
I have a lot…..Accardo was awesome a couple of years ago closing when Ryan was done
When League is on he is unhittable.
He showed that he can be totally lights out last season. If Cito had more confidence in him he could be much further along right now. He is the last RP i would give up to be honest…
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they have almost the exact same career walk rates
but League gets twice as many ground balls per fly ball
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
if you want to go more recent, though, Accardo's control in the majors was a disaster last year though
he walked as many as he struck out. He was good in the minors though
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Leagues problem
There is good Brandon and bad Brandon.
Good Brandon is the best pitcher in baseball
Bad Brandon is the worst pitcher in the history of the sport.
It must be frustrating managing a bullpen when there is NO middle ground
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bad brandon isnt that bad
he just walks a bunch of guys… he gives you a chance to pull him. obviously Cito is not the guy you want managing Brandon League.
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Good call.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
That`s what i`m saying
To me that makes him expendable Craig
last season there was also unlucky Brandon
he gave up almost a run more per 9 innings than he should have, and that’s with an average defense, not the Jays’ superior defense.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
21 walks to 76 strikeouts doesn't look all that bad to me....
but then we had this one this season, me being told League was Billy Koch, when there is nothing about them that is close.
particularly when combined with a nice ground ball rate
and the Jays’ 2009 infield defense
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IMO
League has better stuff i`ll agree with that but is WAYYY too erratic..especially with guys in scoring position
ARTE, PLEASE CALL ME
Lets work something out
ESPN says
According to a source who spoke with two teams involved in the trade, Toronto would get highly regarded Mariners pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont, Phillies catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud and another Phillies prospect in exchange for Halladay. Indications are that the Phillies have balked at Toronto’s repeated requests for outfielder Domonic Brown, and the Phillies are offering highly touted outfielder Michael Taylor instead.
wait
so we are getting either Brown or Taylor still right?
If we dont get Taylor or Brown this would be a disaster.
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Anyone know anything about this d'Arnaud kid?
I like the idea of a catching prospect
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
A ball catcher
supposed to be very good behind the plate, has raised some eyebrows with some good progress offensively.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but as always it's hard to grade out hitting prospects
who haven’t touched AA
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I like d'Arnaud
he was considered a defense-first catcher who has progressed very nicely offensively.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I m not so gung ho on this deal
Aumont looks good
Brown or Taylor look good ( i always kind of liked Taylor better, but I might be wrong about that based on other posts here)
d’Arnaud does not strike me as something to get so excited about
all this for straight Roy srikes me as not good, not horrible, for Roy plus $6M of Roy’s salary, i would say it is getting weak, for Roy + 6M of Roy’s salary + League I would say big thumbs done … remember we are also losing compensatory picks and Phillies (or whomever) are getting a multi-year deal with Roy, not a single year here — we need Drabek, maybe Knapp or the other half of Taylor / Brown
look at it this way —
Aumont is probably a keeper and so is Brown or Taylor, so assume d’Arnaud does not pan out. Then, effectively you moved Roy + $6M.
Heck, I could keep Roy for another year, see him walk away to free agency, and use $4 or $5M that I would have traded with Roy to throw at compensatory picks. I am in the same place + I got another year of Roy.
This is not a deal, I would really go for. I can do something better with Arte, IMHO, especially now that he has lost Lackey.
you're assuming both compensatory picks turn into keepers
The likely reality is far different. The Jays especially are a horrible drafting team. We would be lucky if one of those two picks even hits the bigs for a cup of coffee. And of course we’d have to sign them first (zing!)
that's not true at all
no evidence supports the assertion that the Jays are a poor-drafting team
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
On D'Arnaud
I wouldn’t claim to be an expert on the Phils farm system, but I can say that I’d be upset to lose him. Florida State league is not offense-friendly and to have a defense-first catcher do so well there with the bat seemed really encouraging. He was rated the next best prospect after the Brown/Drabek/Taylor triumvirate by Baseball America, for whatever that may be worth.
Obviously he’ll take a year or two but giving up one of the OF’s AND D’Arnaud AND Lee is an extremely high price for Halladay. I know we’ll disagree on this, and that’s fine, but a true, bonafide ace plus half of the top four prospects in a system is probably too much for any one player.
thanks for the insight
I agree d’Arnaud is a nice-looking piece, defense-first catchers who surprise with the bat by 20 are pretty nice. Not a centerpiece to a deal for Doc, but more than a throw-in
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Trade assessment above assuming Phils get nothing from Seattle
or at least nothing significant.
GOD NO
I`m with u guys…Brown all day ahead of Taylor
Aumont
Am I the only one who sees a siilarity with a new !st round draft pick and Aumont?
except we can't fail to sign him!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Haha
You blockquoted instead of hyperlinking.
Its been a long day Tom!
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
My first mistake was logging on to BBB
I haven’t done a think since about 2:00 this afternoon :)
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
And more rumors
Jon Heyman hears that Morrow may not be leaving Seattle after all. He also hears that Aumont is likely involved the trade and “perhaps” Saunders as well.
geez, another CDN guy
that is lame. If they are picking these guys off cuz they are CDN that is nuts. Just cuz a player is CDN will not draw fans. WINNING draws fans.
starting to sound like a Beeston trade
Since they couldn’t sign the Canadian draft picks (also Beeston’s fault), let’s see if we can find another way to trot out some “local” boys.
I guess they can’t keep doing 92-93 promotions forever, and we’re not going to have a winning team anytime soon, so maybe “Canadian Boy Wednesday” or something.
"Canadian Boy Wednesday"
Sounds like more of a promotion at a bar called “The manhole”
That comment should probably get me flagged :)
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Michael Saunders
very nice OF prospect, supposedly can play some centre, great arm, solid hitting prospect, tasted the majors this year
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
But...
Do we need ANOTHER lefty power hitter?
No but if he sticks in the majors
he’ll have a lot of value being a 5-tool guy.
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a little light on power, not a real slugger, but his record in AAA PCL was very nice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Saunders
From Wiki:
After beginning the 2009 season with the Triple-A Tacoma Rainiers where he hit .313 with 13 HRs and 32 RBIs in 243 at-bats, Saunders was promoted from Tacoma on July 25, 2009 when the Mariners designated Wladimir Balentien for assignment
Randy Ruiz hit 26 homers in 462 at bats in Vegas last year....
so roughly the same rate and Saunders is young for the level…if that’s not a real slugger then Ruiz isn’t either
What`s the good word on Triunfel?
Don`t know much about him
don't know much
only 19 and made AA last year but didn’t play much, must have been hurt….lots of speed. Here
Thanks for the link
So he could be a future leadoff bat then. Not sure the Mariners would let him go though
Yeah not a slugger
Not great B.B/K`s tho` for AAA
From the Drunks about Aumont
CAN pitching coach on Aumont at WBC: "If you look at him & look at his arm angle… think about Randy Johnson from the right side."
Catching
Waht about Adam Moore from Seattle? Looks as good as Montero to me
But 25...Montero is 19 I think....
If they look the same, go with the younger….he could be something but would have to get there soon.
Looks like the most likely haul at this point is Aumont, Gillies, and JC Ramirez
from the Mariners.
I don’t see Saunders going to the Jays, the Mariners seem to want him as their starting LF next year.
Saunders
has a lot of value. I really hope it is him, otherwise the haul won’t look as sexy.
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And btw, I'm a Mariners fan, for perspective.
I could see Morrow going to the Jays, but Saunders, while not a great prospect, seems to be highly valued by the M’s.
Not one report so far has indicated Saunders as a very likely possibility.
The most recent reports mention that he’s “in play,” and he “perhaps” could go to the Jays. This of course means nothing.
It seems to be simply speculation due to the fact he’s Canadian.
For sources, Shannon Drayer on ESPN radio just
said it was Aumont, Gillies, and a third. The third seems to be the unknown right now, but most likely Morrow, Kelley, or Ramirez.
Of course, it's still a possibility, just not a known especially if the Mariners
are seriously thinking about signing Holliday or Bay.
Before we get too excited remember...
The Phillies will be getting some of those names for General Lee. Lets see who ends up where before we get too excited or depressed.
Still, I am getting excited now
If we end up getting Aumont, Gillies, an unnamed third from Seattle AND D’Arnaud AND Taylor from Phillies, then I think Jays get a fair deal, and AA done well.
This is slightly encouraging
As of 5:30 p.m., the extension was not finalized. Sources say the two sides are still haggling over the value of the extension. But those same sources say they expect the two sides to eventually agree, possibly tonight.
This is slightly encouraging, because at least it shows AA is trying to get value for a multi-year deal. Some folks on the Phillies side seem to want to think they should offer as if this is a one year deal. It is not. Roy for 3 year or 4 year or 5 years, whatev, is worth a hellalot more than one year.
Plus, it also leaves room to get Angels involved to prevent their off-season from being a disaster. As SBNation Seattle puts it:
The Angels lost Chone Figgins, they lost John Lackey, they missed out on Roy Halladay, they missed out on Cliff Lee, and if the Red Sox finish this Mike Lowell deal, they’ll probably miss out on Adrian Beltre.
Who is going to anchor the rotation now? They don’t have any guy who really is close to being a legitimate #1 guy, not unless Marcum can come back healthy and pitch like he did before he got hurt, and even that’s a stretch.
i dont think the Jays are going to have a legit #1 for a while
its gnna be a rotation filled with #3 guys, which is okay i guess.
Onions Baby Onions
I`m out
Hopefully by tomorrow things will be finalised and we`ll have 3-4 quality prospects….
Aumont not part of deal per Bastian twitter
RT @elliottbaseball: People now saying Aumont not in the deal
Huh?
I thought he was the centre-piece.
All this speculating is killing me….wednesday can’t come soon enough
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by craig in calgary on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm, Aumont out?
I was going to speculate that maybe Accardo, Overbay (and eat maybe 1/2 of his contract) might be going to Seattle too, but probably not…
6:55pm: J.A. Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals and could be a part of the deal, writes Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press. Domonic Brown also took a physical today, who is said to be coveted by the Jays.
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And I would be fine with that, considering the Jays injuries to SP. As long as it doesn’t compromise the quality of prospects in the return.
yea, he could be insurance for the Jays until things settle out with SP and then the Jays could move him and eat part of his salary. But I would consider taking him to be doing the Phillies favour and not a “value received”.
Agree
with that. But I don’t mind considering the players we have coming off the DL or still trying to figuer out if they are ML pitchers. Blanton is proven, and is only on a one year deal. Good stop gap and potential trading piece near the deadline assuming we are out of it.
Here’s the article they link to.
For what it’s worth, I haven’t heard a deal yet that seems to make sense for all three sides (unless you want to say that merely getting Halladay makes sense for the Phillies regardless of cost, or that it makes sense for the Jays to get rid of Halladay, or both.
Recent post from Shannon Drayer
Let me stress here, no confirmation yet but two names we are consistently hearing are Phillippe Aumont and Tyson Gilles. Adam Moore does not appear to be in the deal nor does Michael Saunders though the Blue Jays are believed to have interest in him.
Brandon Morrow’s name is coming up more and more. Remember that the Mariners are basically trading for a rent a player as Lee has only one year remaining on his contract and there is no indication that he is looking to extend now. Doesn’t mean it can’t happen down the road.
Bastian twitter again
RT @JonathanMayoB3: No confirmations on prospects headed to Jays. Could be Aumont & maybe Saunders or Triunfel from M’s; Brown + 1 from Phi
I think
it wouldn’t be Happ and Blanton. Phils SP was a problem and the will only have what, Hamels and Moyer from last year?
If it's Happ and Blanton
it means Lee isn’t going anywhere. So it’d be some combo of Halladay/Hamels/Lee, then cross your fingers on the rest.
Which means Seattle is out
So it would be only one or the other. I think Happ stays now.
So basically it boils down to.
“Nobody over here knows what the sh*t is going on and we are going to keep throwing around names in the hope something sticks to the wall”
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I think Spenceman said it best
I’m talking out of my ass here if you weren’t able to tell.
kinda fun though. This kind of trade doesn't come along very often
though I’ll admit this new “Twitter” era is getting a little ridiculous, rumour-wise
ooooo
7:04pm: Drabek and “other top [Phillies] prospects” will be involved in the deal, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter). According to Salisbury, Brown will remain with the club.
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Drayer says the only reason Saunders has been mentioned is that the Jays have interest in him.
Apparently the M’s aren’t willing to give him up.
So more likely Aumont, Gillies, + 1 (not Saunders or Moore), Drabek + 1 + maybe Blanton or Happ
I'll believe it when I see it
if only because with all of the posturing that’s gone on it makes absolutely no sense that the Phillies would suddenly cave on having Drabek plus an outfielder in there (assuming that the other top Phils prospect is Brown/Taylor).
Not to say it’s false, but as you’ve all noticed there have been many iterations of this deal out there and no one’s sure
Im just passing along the info :)
If you like I could passing along the info that my co-workers were throwing around, some of those were pretty out there.
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Such as
7:11pm: M’s shortstop prospect Carlos Triunifel could be in the deal in place of Saunders, tweets Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.
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I doubt this happens.
Triunfel got injured so the M’s would be selling low on him.
That rumor is probably in the category of
"Nobody over here knows what the sh*t is going on and we are going to keep throwing around names in the hope something sticks to the wall"
Check this report from DJF. That would be incredible! (I know just regurgitating a previous comment, but oh well)
What the deuce? See, I might have been right not to write off Elliott, as Jim Salisbury of CSN Philly tells us that “once the extension is complete, the Phillies are expected send three prospects to Toronto. A source identified those prospects as [Kyle] Drabek, outfielder Michael Taylor and catcher Travis D’Arnaud. The Blue Jays would also get a prospect from Seattle, possibly Canadian pitcher Phillippe Aumont.”
In addition to Lee?
Phillies fans would riot.
Only JP
wouldn’t allow Phillies to talk to Halladay last year. This year they are, I would think that would be a bit of a difference.
Some? Sure.
But this is an awfully big concession. That’s three of the top four prospects of a top five farm system (at least by one standard…a good system at any rate) plus whoever they give up for salary relief to make the numbers work.
but thing is, maybe they can't extend Lee and that's now turning them off
Of course, chances are that the above is not the deal, but Jays fans would be happy, I’m sure.
This seems a bit too good to be true for Jays
I can’t imagine what Seattle would offer the Phillies to make this work out.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a few Jays on the move too though, possibly to Philly and Seattle
Particularly their relievers:
Accardo
League
Frasor
Downs
all have some value for contending teams
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