Roy Halladay Trade: Part Three
by Tom Dakers on Dec 15, 2009 2:17 AM EST
in Toronto Blue Jays News
Email
PrintThank goodness I was out tonight or I'd have been refreshing browsers all night long. Anyway, at the moment it looks like the Jay are going to get Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor and Travis D'Arnaud for Doc and $6,000,000. I am not sure how they came to the $6 million figure but I'm fine with that.
Kyle Drabek: played A and AA last year. He had a 3.19 ERA between the two. Gave up 141 hits in 158 innings, 50 walks and 150 strikeouts. Have to like a guy that has a 3 to 1 K to walk rate at 21 years old. Baseball America lists him as the Phillies number 2 prospect, behind Dominic Brown. He is supposed to have a great curveball. He can throw hard too, up to about 97. He is who the Jays wanted at the trade deadline and who the Phillies wouldn't give up.
Michael Taylor: played in AA and AAA last year. Hit .320/.395/.549, 20 homers, 21 steals. Played RF and LF. Will be 24 next year and I'd want him to make the majors. Baseball America has him as the Phillies number 3 prospect and their best power hitting prospect. Tall at 6'6" and big 250 lb, right handed bat. Would fit in really well with the Jays.
Travis D'Arnaud: 20 year old catcher. Played A ball last year, hitting .255/.319/.419 with 13 homers. First round pick in 2007. Baseball America has him at number 4 on the Phillies prospect list. Thought to be a very good defensive catcher and looks like his offense isn't too bad. 13 homers for a 20 year old is pretty good. At least a year and a half away from the bigs.
If we get these 3, the Phillies number 2,3 and 4 prospects I'd be thrilled and I'd nominate Alex Anthopoulos GM of the year, even if the year hasn't started yet. It would be pretty amazing to get 3 prospects like this without having any leverage at all.
Morning UPDATE: Looks like Doc has agreed to a 3 year, $60 million contract extension, with 2 vesting options. So it could end up being a 5 year deal around $100 million. Pretty good money for throwing a rock. Other than that it looks like the deal stands as above. Phillies will get Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez from the Mariners, but then who cares what the Phillies get.
If it goes as it stands now it's a really good job by Alex Anthopoulos. Without a lot of teams seriously bidding, he seems to have gotten more than you could really expect for a player entering the last year of his contract.
317 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Well there still hung between Drabek or Happ
I personally want Drabek hes younger and has higher upside
I heard
we’re paying $6 million, bro
A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...
none i think
i believe the Phils get Aumont and maybe someone else from the Ms.
As long as its Drabek and not Happ i am very happy. Taylor looks like he can flat out rake,
Onions Baby Onions
I doubt it
We`ll be taking someone from Seattle or else the $6million cash dump looks ridiculous. My guess is Morrow still because we still need a CLOSER guys!
Danny farquahr will be big league ready by june or july.
by NHfishercatsfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The 6 million dolllar figure
is Halladay’s contract for 2010 minus Cliff Lee’s contract for 2010. Which is roughly $6.75 million.
AWmusic - mp3 blog.
http://twitter.com/awmusicblog
great deal if its
Drabek, Taylor, and d’Arnaud. Not so much if it’s Happ, Taylor, d’Arnaud – then to me Taylor becomes the centerpiece and Happ and d’Arnaud the complimentary parts, which would be a little bit of a disappointing return. Taylor is basically ready to contribute now, Drabek could see the majors this season but should certainly be ready next, and if things go well (big if of course since d’Arnaud will be getting his first taste of AA this coming season" d’Arnaud could break in the following year.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I`d agree with Hugo so far...
At least with Drabek, that guy`s got serious stuff but I seriously doubt we`re just getting 3 prospects. As for D`Arnaud are we giving up on J.P Arencibia already??? I`m not so sure he`s part of the final trade here
im a season ticket holder in AA NH
Ill keep you all posted on him.
by NHfishercatsfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have
A bunch of information on the work ethic and non-statistical aspect of the game. For example I can tell you David Cooper has no love for the game and is a slug. Or that Brian Dopirak on top of being one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met has the biggest work ethic of anyone. Always the first one out on the field and always watching attentively while on the bench. Flip to Cooper and many of his teammates didn’t like him.
by NHfishercatsfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not bad
I would sorta hope that if this is a true three-team deal, something else is coming to the Jays. Even if it’s a b-level prospect like a Michael Saunders or something like that from Seattle.
All told, I don’t terribly mind this. Even if personally I’m not as sold on Drabek as some.
Im quite certain that the Jays wont be getting anyone from the Ms
Its basically Halladay to the Phils for Drabek, Taylor and D’Arnaud
then afterwards, the Phils trading Lee to the Ms for whoever the Ms give them… its not really a 3-team deal in that sense… the Phils just needed to find a team to take Lee off their hands and give them some prospects back.
Onions Baby Onions
If its Drabek
Then I have to agree with Tom, and this has turned out infinitely better for us than I would ever have hoped.
Fingers crossed.
From the less enthusiastic camp:
Jays lose:
- 1 year of Roy
- $6M
- compensatory picks
Jays receive:
- Drabek
- Taylor
- D’Arnaud
I would give this a B grade. If Happ instead of Drabek, this is a C trade. If Drabek, Taylor, D’Arnaud and another A prospect, than I give him an A.
i think its an A with Drabek Taylor and D'Arnaud
I mean, think about what the Jays are giving up… we were going to suck this year with or without Halladay.
Now we have one of the best hitting prospects in baseball in Taylor, a very very good pitching prospect in Drabek (both guys we wanted to get back at the trade deadline last season but the Phils wouldn’t give us), and an underrated catching prospect.
Im very very pleased.
If its Happ, i give it an F.
Onions Baby Onions
Not to rain on the parade, but...
Is anyone else just a little concerned that Cito is going to royally F up the potential that Michael Taylor has???? I’m hoping he won’t but he’s done it in the past…
I think with Buck Martinez joining the booth and John Buck behind the plate maybe Buck Showalter could be the next manager? Maybe then we’d BUCK the trend of Cito blocking young hitters…
Mourning but Comfortable
Well, it’s a package that justifies the cost, although with the $6mil, I’d personally think we should be getting something back from the Ms as well. I’d be satisfied with this, and add in an additional prospect to upgrade to happy and fully supporting it.
drop trou and cough please
Roy taking his physical today
Halladay was taking his physical Tuesday morning, sources said.
for those on the pessimistic side of the equation ....
I don’t even know how to grade Toronto. Out of the three teams, they are the ones with the biggest potential for “ripped off” status. Trading the franchise’s icon for a top pitching prospect and a couple prospects with a few years before making an impact in the majors, has me scratching my head, but as a Mariners fan, that’s fine by me.
Call Arte.
That's just stupid...
we knew we were trading the ‘icon’ and we knew we weren’t trading straight up for a like player. What did he expect, we were going to trade Doc for CC Sabathia straight across?
no, we would eat $6M for that deal … LOL
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
it's inevitable
when JP didn’t trade Doc, the media consensus was that they made a huge mistake, they needed to take what they could get, blah blah blah. Now that AA has traded him, that’s a mistake, too.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
my poor angels
seattle is stacking up to be a contender this year =( and angels are losing everybody
Felix and Lee 1-2 punch…ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
well, not if you put it like that
you have to say it in the excited voice Paul Rudd uses in Knocked Up
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Sucks, huh?
Of course, if the Angels would like to spoil it by offering something closer to what they were offering for Halladay, a certain Mr. R. Amaro might listen.
(Please, Reuben?)
one detail to be resolved
Accardo?
It is also being reported that one other player will be sent to Philadelphia, but it is unclear whether that player is coming from Toronto or Seattle.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=mlb/news/newstest.aspx?id=4273844
one detail to be resolved
Accardo?
It is also being reported that one other player will be sent to Philadelphia, but it is unclear whether that player is coming from Toronto or Seattle.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=mlb/news/newstest.aspx?id=4273844
Johnny Mac? – says he with faint hope of it actually being true
The best part of this trade is the Jays won’t have to continually face Doc, which would be the case if he was traded to the Red Sox or Yankees.
I wouldn’t mind cheering for the Phillies with Doc pitching. I could never do that for the other two.
exactly my view as well
as long as it’s not Sox/Yanks (and O’s Rays, but mostly because we’d have to face him 4 or 5 times) I’m happy cheering for him to pitch some vintage Doc
Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog
Weird
Martino (Philly beat reporter) saying it likely won’t get done until tomorrow.
I wouldn't expect an announcement until tomorrow....
each team need to go thru the results of physicals…
your source is probably better. I do not think NESN is as close to the situation.
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
what the heck?
I have heard plenty of jokes about TX being backward, but could this be correct? This just out from Austin press.
Philadelphia was expected to give up pitchers J.A. Happ, Joe Blanton and prospect outfielder Dominic Brown, sources said. Happ and Blanton could capably fill two holes in the Toronto rotation.
http://www.statesman.com/sports/pro/mlb-halladay-lackey-other-big-names-on-the-121309.html
Sounds like one of the older rumors
I’d ignore it.
for sure, but it is dated this morning – i double checked – either they have some great sources or a very poor sports dept
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
i do not think that was ever even contemplated
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
this is how i see
the jays are getting a good deal in this trade, not the best but a good one.
The Phillies are getting Halladay (with a contract extension) and 6MM from Jays to cover some of his salary for next year which kind of balance this trade out.
but
this is where the Phillies gets butt raped by the Ms.
they give up Lee to free payroll but they almost get nothing in return from the Ms
to me the Ms are the real winners here, they dont give up much and they get an ace ( for cheap too)
actually, I think the Phillies are the best off in this deal
before the trade, they had a top tier pitcher for one more year and then probably compensatory picks next year
after the trade, they have a top tier pitcher for 4 more years, with option for 2 more, and they swapped out some old prospects for new — you never know how prospects work out but if you assume they are a wash, Phillie just added years of tier 1 pitching for nothing
i would say they did pretty darn good
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
A rare win win win as I see it. AA did the absolute best he could with the circumstances he was under.
I may not know much, but much knows s*** about me
by Brown's Jays on Dec 15, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
i guess you right.
but the Ms are stil the real winners here, they are giving up much because none of those prospects they’re giving are not proven or some somewhat ready, yet they get Lee and even if he goes after 2010 they still get the draft picks.
no prospects are proven
by that logic, the Jays got nothing
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
They get nothing in return from the Mariners?
They got some decent prospects. Add that in to the trade up from Doc to Lee and if I’m a Phillies fan, I think I’m the winner.
Jury's out
on how “decent” the prospects are. Consensus seems to be that they’re nowhere near what the Phils are giving up.
As much as I’ve ranted about the trade here (and I thank you all for putting up with it), it’s not the Phils/Jays end of the deal I’m that worried about. On its own accord, Drabek/Taylor/D’Arnaud would be steep, but worth it IF the Phils either kept Lee or got enough in return to mostly offset the prospects. Amaro totally failed on both ends of that. Thus, the price as a whole is ridiculous.
Elpikiman basically captured how Phillies fans feel about the trade.
just wait till you get a taste of the Doc
by bowling_kid25 on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I undertand that
we were spoiled for having such a elite pitcher for a mediocre team.
but this is not the problem the Philies fans, i think they’re going to be very pleased with Doc as their Ace.
it’s the Lee trade that is making the Ms the winners, come on guys you guys would really want to get this:
Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez for someone like Lee?
i wouldn’t.
if I trusted Aumont to stay in the rotation (which I'm not sure I do)
I might make that trade for a year of Lee, who it looked like didn’t want to resign. Cliff Lee is great and was unbelievable for Philly but he’s not Doc. His ERA+ over his career is 109, compared to Doc at 133. Yes, Lee is a bit younger and left-handed but Doc is in unbelievable shape. Doc’s in a different class.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'm a Blue Jays Fan
but i will put myself as a Phillie fan.
I’m sure i wouldn’t like those 3 prospects the Ms are giving for an Ace, i would actually be pretty mad in doing a trade like that.
lets be realistic here.
if the Phillies were offering some other prospects for Halladay we would be putting AA as the worst GM for doing that.
You don't think you'd have to give up something for Doc?
If you think you would get the same offer for Lee as you would for Doc…..then I guess you are a Phillies fan.
Has anyone thought about how Roy will handle hitting/baserunning now?
Getting hit by a ball, twisting an ankle. All those things are relevant now.
poorly, hes prob gonna have to work on it...or be a free out every inning
by bowling_kid25 on Dec 15, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
i guess that statement is pretty obvious rofl
i mean more like, he has a routine, i dont know if hes going to be willing to throw in hitting practice and feel comfortable time will tell!!
by bowling_kid25 on Dec 15, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it really doesn't pay to be the third-best GM
in a three-way trade.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
who do you think was third-best?
I think the Phillies made one good deal (for Doc) and one not-so-great one (for Lee). For Seattle, I didn’t understand the deal when it looked like they were giving up a lot, but it makes a lot more sense now. On the Jays’ side, it looks to me like Anthopolous did a very nice job getting what the Jays wanted despite leverage. I guess having the best pitcher in baseball to deal is its own kind of leverage.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I agree
Alex HAD to get a deal done this offseason and (Assuming the package coming to Toronto is Drabek/Taylor and D’Arnaud) I’m very happy with the compensation concidering he had little to no leverage.
Obviously time will be the true judge, but its entirely possible the Jays won this trade.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Amaro basically took $6M and 4 years of Halladay as an arbitrage fee
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
There really was no arbitrage
From what I see, there is essentially just two coinciding trades.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's geography arbitrage
Halladay wouldn’t approve a trade to SEA (because I can’t imagine the M’s wouldn’t have given up the extra to get Doc instead of Lee) so the Phillies played man-in-the-middle.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Except we aren’t getting anything from Seattle….
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
the trade would not have been done were it not for Seattle’s participation
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was just basically responding to Torgen saying that Phillie was playing middleman with Seattle because Doc wouldn’t go there.
I could get behind that argument if the Jays were getting something they wanted from Seattle, but that isn’t the case.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
It's like alternating current
The electrons from the power plant never make it to your house, they just push their neighbours back and forth. In this case, the power line charged them rent.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
It's hard to not like any deal
where you get Doc, sign him to a below-market deal, and replenish your farm system a bit. Still, I’m not sure they got value for Lee. Phillies fans certainly are not excited about the deal.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
If Phili phans are pissed
Then I’m happy about our trade :)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, that's wrong.
(Just kidding, most of us felt the same way about the Lee trade five months ago.) :)
Haha
YOU JUST WON A FREAKING WS 2 YEARS AGO
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
While that makes what?
The 4 prospects for Lee last year
The 3 for Halladay this year.
And they get 3 prospects back from Seattle, which by accounts look to be lower rated then the ones they have been giving up.
They would have done better just giving in to some of the demands last year and trading for Doc the first time through.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
I definitely agree with the last sentence there
I’m not sure why they are now willing to give up guys they designated as “untouchable” last summer
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Fangraphs view on the trade
Link. I think he sums this up quite well, at least from the Phillies perspective.
I basically agree with Cameron
If Toronto isn’t getting anything from Seattle, then the Lee part of the deal isn’t essential to the Doc part. So why not shop Lee around for the best deal, knowing worst case scenario is Cliff Lee for a year well below market, salary dump of cupcakes to make the $ work, and Type A free agency at the end of the year?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Uh Oh...
Richard Griffin thinks the Jays should be embarrassed with what they got for Doc…and we all know Richard Griffin knows what he’s talking about!
You know....
There are times when the ’Hugo’s Mom’ level of language on the board is a bad thing. Screw what Richard Griffin thinks
I do not think embarrassed is the right word. But, I would certainly not be bragging to anyone about it.
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Unless it's to ownership
about how many iPhones they can buy with the $9M the baseball team just saved.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
why not?
Jays keep Halladay and gain 2 compensation picks for him likely end of the 1st round from the Yanks or Sox and a sandwich pick – with those picks they draft 2 guys likely at least 3 years away from contributing to the big leage club and potentially spend the $6M they sent to Philly to sign these to players.
In this case the Jays get Taylor who’s as close to ML ready as a hitter can be who can fill a void in RF and has the potential to be great and has proven himself in the minors. Drabek has top notch potential and again has proven himself somewhat in the minors and D’Arnaud who’s farther away but again has some minor league experience.
I like this package much better then Saunders/Aybar/Burjos that LAA was offering and if it’s true that the Yanks were offering Montero but not Hughes or Joba then I can’t see how they could have topped the offer…
I never liked the Saunders/Aybar/Bourjos deal either
The guys were on different schedules—Aybar, win now; Bourjos, win later; Saunders; win never.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Jim Rome sums up the trade just now
“Cliff Lee is one of the best pictures in baseball. Roy Halladay is one of the best pictures EVER”
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Jim Rome needs to check his spelling, unless he’s got man crushes on Halladay and Lee most people could care less what their pictures are like.
freudian slip?
what does that say about Jim Rome? LOL
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Bastian tweeting announcement tomorrow
Have been told that official announcement of Halladay blockbuster will likely come tomorrow. Lots of physicals to take care of first.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can we just get the announcement over with so we can either celebrate or cry.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta make sure that pesky appendix isn’t a reoccurring problem?
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
i am guessing it is the MiLB guys who need to get checked out at this point
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Knock Knock
(Whos there)
To Get to the other side!!
Bhaha….. wait….. oh….
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
A guy goes with his friend to a comedian's dinner
Someone stands up and says ‘62’ and everyone laughs. Another guy says 74 and everyone laughs. The guy turns to his friend and says ’What’s going on’. Friend explains there There are only 107 jokes in the world and we know them all and have them numbered to save time.
The guy gets up and says 15 and no one laughs.
Asks his friend why.
The friend says some people can tell a joke and some people can not.
another guy gets up and says 24
everyone laughs but a guy in the corner is killing himself…so our guy goes up to him later and asks why he laughed so hard. He said I never heard that one before.
I love that joke
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I assume that's #107
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
woha just read that...
Not liking this move….
Whoa whoa whoa
Link
Michael Taylor will be flipped for Brett Wallace from the A’s, Who was acquired in the Holliday deal.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
But I liked that we were getting Taylor, I wanted Brown more, but I still liked Taylor.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
rather keep Taylor, but can see the logic for it
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
the consensus is that
there’s no way that Wallace sticks at third base, right?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
And he's certainly not going to turn into a catcher or shortstop
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Yes.
If this is true, we just acquired another 1B/DH type. Of which we already have enough.
I really hope that is incorrect.
and not a big power one, either
Most projections I’ve seen have Wallace as a high-average, not overly patient, 20-25 HR guy
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
If he sticks at 3B, it’s a bad move because we already have one. If he doesn’t, we have a plethora of similar guys.
None of which deals with the fact that he is quite possibly worse than Taylor.
We only have Encarnacion through 2011
and he’s not likely to stick at 3B either.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Plus there is the fact that Encanacion is terrible.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hence the note that he's not likely to stick at 3B
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Based on what?
A few weeks last year when he was adjusting to a new city and still recovering from a broken wrist?
He does have the most awesome/apropos knickname in all the land
E5
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
To me
That means it’s solved for 2 years, and gives you 2 years to evaluate what you have in him.
If he gets back from the broken wrist and gets back to previous numbers (at one time, he was one of the best prospects in all of baseball), he is a good contributor.
And EE is still playing 3B. Wallace is already moved (as I recall) to 1B.
The hate for EE is astounding to me.
I don't hate EE
I think there’s some upside there. But a lot has to go right. Edwin was a replacement-level player last season and even when he was hitting very well in 2008, his poor defense hindered his value. He is useful but isn’t really a long-term solution. I am hoping that Butterfield can help his defense a bit and that he regains his hitting form when his wrist fully heals. But it’s not a sure thing, and he’s only under team control for 2 more seasons anyway. Put it this way, EE wouldn’t keep me from trading for a third-base prospect. But I don’t think Wallace is a third-base prospect.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
True
And I wasn’t suggesting you were an EE hater.
EE wouldn’t keep me from trading for a 3B prospect either, but we need OF help badly right now. 3B is not so much of an immediate need, and if EE hits the way he hit in 2010, with a bit of help on the defensive side he is a very useful player.
I agree that I was really looking forward to seeing
Taylor in rightfield everyday for the 2010 Jays. Instead, I think we’re going to see….Jose Bautista
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Hey now
I love Jose Bautista in the field.
I just can’t stand him “batting”
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
he is a good defensive corner outfielder
I don’t mind having him on the team, but he can’t hit righties, and Cito hasn’t figured that out yet
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Honestly?
I have no idea whether or not he can hit righties. I don’t believe he has ever swung the bat vs righties.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
For example
Snider-Wells-Taylor
Encarnacion-Gonzalez-Hill-Lind
Buck
Ruiz/Dopirak to DH
Bautista/McDonald/Chavez
Makes the most sense to me. Wallace coming in takes AB’s away from someone he shouldn’t, and gives them to someone like Bautista.
we don't really have a long-term solution at third base
majors or minors
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
EE could be that
And we have 2 relatively cheap years to find out.
3rd base is probably one of the few major issues on this team, as currently presented.
Taylor can play RF
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
what is this!!!
lets all sleep the whole day and wait for the trade announcement tomorrow
agree?
what fun would that be?
I’d have to actually do work insteady of chasing rumours
I'm confused...
“Taylor was rumored to be apart of the Roy Halladay deal, but this is in fact a totally separate deal. Wallace gives the A’s a future power bat that will be slotted nicely behind Ryan Howard and Chase Utley.”
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/12/15/1201695/blue-jays-to-trade-michael-taylor
by JayLo Biafra on Dec 15, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Whaaaaa?
This is so confusing.
I’m gonna go hybernate till tomorrow afternoon
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
That`s what i`m saying
You have to regard EVERYTHING as mis-information at this point. To me our outfield needs are predominant and override everything else…..
Through a glass darkly
They should have just quoted the tweet… and read it first.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Taylor to the Jays, then A's
Wallace to the Jays.
Whoa whoa whoa
What’s going on?
We’ve already traded Taylor?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions
you're too late
we traded Lind for Bradley
Sweet
Lind sucks
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP U PEOPLE R GULLIBLE
This is all CONJECTURE plain and simple. Without any insider knowledge we just don`t know ANY of the prospects/ players yet. I may be alone but I still don`t think we`d derail J.P for D`Arnaud and there is no way in HELL that we`re giving up Doc, $6mill and maybe even Accardo for 3 prospects who`ve never played in the MLB. Seattle`s Lee trade and the resulting prospects going to Philly offset the three in leverage due to the Halladay trade right? Either the M`s give up someone to us or we get a fourth from somewhere else
Taylor Vs Wallace
Both split time between AA and AAA…Taylor is a year older but does play a position (RF) that the Jays need.
Taylor: hit .320 with a .944 OPS and 21 SB
Wallace: hit .293 with a .822 OPS and 1 SB
Not sure what the park effects might have been but by the #‘s Taylor is the superior hitter and athlete. Unless the Jays are getting something else from Oakland I’m not loving this move.
It really makes no sense
I guess we should wait until all the dust has settled and see what we net.
But that is no fun :(
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
if Wallace could stay at third it would address a long-term organizational need and maybe that would be a different story, but Taylor is much more athletic and has more upside as a hitter, in my view. Wallace was originally drafted by the Jays, by the way, but went to college.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yea, if Wallace is not going to play 3B, i think it is lame as all heck to swap Taylor for him.
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Law's quick take on the deal:
“Another good move for new Jays GM”
“Wallace is a better prospect — much better bat potential, in my opinion. Oakland has a logjam at 1B/DH, so trading him for Taylor makes sense, since Taylor can play the outfield. But in the abstract I’d rather have Wallace’s higher offensive potential.”
i would really like to move Overbay here
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Again only conjecture
This is all possible but for me instead of focusing on our infield needs our bullpen needs MAJOR retooling. It`s setup/ closing that`s the issue here, it cost us a number of games last year and I don`t think we can address it from within. Fraso and Downs might be traded too BTW
for a team not trying to compete in 2010
I can’t imagine improving our bullpen beyond what is already a very good pen is much of a priority
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Because we ARE trying to compete
Every team attempts to win even with reduced resources and our bullpen wasn`t a fraction as good as the year before
ummm, whatever you say
relievers can always be included in trades but they rarely fetch much at all on the trade market and it is more likely in the Jays interest to keep Frasor and Downs and let them become Type A free agents. Also, it’s unlikely that the Jays see improving the bullpen as a priority, and more unlikely still that the Jays bullpen would be improved by moving Frasor and Downs
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Trade Value
That may be right when talking about centerpiece trades but as complimentary pieces elite relievers are invaluable. the focal point here is Roy and lets not forget how bad Lidge was last year and Carrasco`s been cut….they need relievers
well, that's exactly the problem
I don’t want to lose Frasor or Downs as a throw-in to a trade, especially not when they’re one (likely very good) cheap season from being a Type A free agent.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
How can you call this conjecture
And then say that Frasor and Downs (2 best bullpen guys) will be traded?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Because it`s all within the realm of possibility
Relievers are ALWAYS potential trade makeweights, neither has been given a long term contract and i didn`t say they would be I said they could be
I know
But don’t toss out quotes like:
HOLY CRAP U PEOPLE R GULLIBLE This is all CONJECTURE plain and simple
when we are speculating too
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
My point
That`s my point. It seems u guys here a sourced piece of info and you immediatley jump to conclusions. The people who matter here are the GM`s of the teams involved. My hyperthetical queries are just as valid as theirs
Isn't that the whole point of a community discussion board?
Someone sees the glass as half empty.
So Wallace is projected to be a 1B/DH type?
Sigh.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
did Law and Anthopolous work together in Toronto?
out of curiousity?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we have a huge log jam at 1B/DH
i m getting heated
by aagoodfella on Dec 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who likes this move here?
I am not on the Encarcion bandwagon at all, and the thought of Wallace-X-Hill-Lind infield starting in 2011 works well for me.
I’ve always thought that Overbay was going to be shipped – thought for a moment yesterday that he might be going to Seattle as part of the crazy deal.
I like the move ok
if the Jays plan to keep Wallace at third. But most folks seem sure he will end up at first, in which case I like the move a lot less
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Maybe I`m missing something
But an almost 24 yr old slugger who`s never played in the majors isn`t exactly Albert Pujols. There are flaws in both Taylor and Wallace and it`s not impossible that we pick up an experienced FA outfielder like Dye also
From what I understand
Taylor started slow. Debuted in half season in ’07 with a bit of a thud because (if I recall correctly) of a wonky swing he picked up in college. (He went to Stanford, where apparently this wonky swing is commonplace).
So he was drafted out of college and needed his swing fixed. It was, rather quickly (his ’08 and ’09 campaigns would seem to attest to that). Combine that with the Phillies having a relatively set outfield and you get your near-24 Y.O. minor league slugging outfielder.
Halladay Trade
So the Jays give Philly 1 player plus 6 million, the Mariners give Philly 3 players, and we get 3 prospects, and the Mariners get Lee. We should have received J.A. Happ
who would you have wanted Happ to replace?
or do you mean we should have gotten him in addition to what we got?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I can't imagine we'd get much back other than salary relief though
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
what would you have to package with Overbay
to get triunfel at this point, do you think?
Triunfel for Overbay/Accardo?
I do that in a heartbeat. I don’t really see why Seattle would though.
Look at Seattle's depth chart
They have literally noone at 1st.
(appologizes to Mike Carp)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Lopez
…is likely to move there if they don’t acquire someone.
I don’t doubt that Overbay would be useful for Seattle, but I don’t know if that would be enough to part with Triunfel.
And their moves this year suggests the GM is quite intelligent.
I doubt it
Lopez is more suited at SS than 1st
Isn't that his home?
Seems like a good fit to me, however doesn’t look they need another 1B
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know's on second
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I was mistaken
I thought I read it above, but it was Oakland that was deep at 1B
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Cooper is on his way to being a failed prospect, Ruiz is DH only, and
that leaves Overbay (1 year left) and Dopirak whose defense on first is not reported as being very good, and he’s too old to be considered a prospect. So it’s not that deep.
Thought around here is Lind moves to first
Noone wants to see an Outfield of Lind-Wells-Snider.
They would have to move an infielder out there to be a rover.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well something's gotta give.
Thats a terrible defensive Outfield
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well you can't really plan around someone actually wanting Overbay
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
never said I was, just saying IMO I don't the first base depth is as
deep as everyone thinks
Perhaps even EE could try the outfield? There is a scouting rerport from the
diamond cutter posted on the DJF website stating Wallace will be decent defense wise at thrid.
Problem there is...
…I’m as big a fan of EE as anyone here (probably the biggest fan, I’m guessing), but a left side of Wallace backed up by EE sounds scary, even to me. Every ball hit there would be a double.
I like this idea
E5’s main problem is throwing to 1B isn’t it? Well if he’s in the OF his accuracy won’t be as much of an issue he should have the arm strength to cover RF.
I also recall reading somewhere (no idea where now though) an interview with Billy Beane where was quoted as saying that Wallace’s D on 3rd wasn’t as bad as people say it is and that long-term he should be able to stick there. I’m not sure if that was truthful or if he was saying that not to talk bad about one of his players. I’ll look for a link
Here it is:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/11/20/1167032/an-interview-with-oakland-gm-billy
JOHN SICKELS
The other big bat in Triple-A is Brett Wallace. Can he stick at third base?
BILLY BEANE:
Well we don’t know for sure yet, but we won’t take him off third base until he proves he can’t handle it. His bat has come very quickly, he was just a year out of college and hit well in Triple-A. The bat looks special to us. Sometimes with guys like that, the glove gets panned by scouts just because the bat has come so quickly and they are looking for something to criticize. Also, I think Brett’s defense gets panned unfairly because of the way his body looks.
not surprising that the GM who acquired him would say that
especially going into an offseason where he was interested in trading him away
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
don’t disagree with you, however there could be a little bit of truth there. May be an option to start Wallace in AAA to work on his D then call him up later in the year (also saving his arbitration clock from starting right away)
that would make sense
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
It sounds to me that Taylor is a better OF than Wallace is a 3B
However, the Jays may need a 3B more than an OF.
If Wallace is to play 3B for Jays, than Taylor for Wallace makes some sense. But if Wallace is to play OF, I think it is a bad move.
That said, EE is still worth taking a chance on and keeping Taylor IMHO. As appealing as Wallace might be, I think I would rather have EE at 3rd and Taylor in RF than Wallace at 3B, an extra infielder and sub-standard RF. Bottom line, keep Taylor
Thank you
hat said, EE is still worth taking a chance on and keeping Taylor IMHO. As appealing as Wallace might be, I think I would rather have EE at 3rd and Taylor in RF than Wallace at 3B, an extra infielder and sub-standard RF. Bottom line, keep Taylor
EXACTLY.
+1
I think that after a shaky start, the Butterfield Effect took hold and E5 morphed enough that we’ve started to call him EE instead. I really think it’s worth while to see what he can do especially if he was still recovering from wrist surgery.
To my mind, the OF is much more of a hole, and there’s not much on the farm to fill it.
Wait why would we trade Taylor?
Taylor can absolutely rake and is major league ready. He looks like a guy who can bat cleanup for us for years.
It’d be Taylor, Wells, Snider in the outfield in one configuration or another… Lind DH/1B, Dopairak(sp?)/Ruiz 1B/DH, Hill 2B, Gonzalez SS, EE at 3rd….
I dont think we should all assume EE is the worst 3B ever just yet.
Onions Baby Onions
Totally agree
with hope for EE….he`s still what 26? Can hit with power and has average defense
As I said above
Snider-Wells-Taylor
Encarnacion-Gonzalez-Hill-Lind
Buck
Ruiz/Dopirak to DH
Bautista/McDonald/ChavezMakes the most sense to me. Wallace coming in takes AB’s away from someone he shouldn’t, and gives them to someone like Bautista.
That's it I'm convinced.
We can’t trade Taylor for Wallace. Someone call Alex and tell him the decision’s been made.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Craig
What is it with you and taking everything as fact? No-one even knows if this trade`s been proposed, it`s just a rumour from one source
Oh I'm just having fun with this all
You’re right, this is all speculation, and what’s that big fancy word you like so much? CONJECTURE!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
`big fancy`? lol
I`ll use rumour if you prefer.I guess I just figure that the second hand info we get is mostly cutting room floor stuff already disgarded by A.A
This is a discussion board
Where we can discuss potential trades, rumors, and any conjecture we come up with. Voidhelix if you don’t get that, don’t complain, just go away. Stop trying to be that annoying kid in class reminding the teacher about a pop quiz. No one likes that kid.
Well I don't know. At the end of that article it says
Taylor was rumored to be apart of the Roy Halladay deal, but this is in fact a totally separate deal. Wallace gives the A’s a future power bat that will be slotted nicely behind Ryan Howard and Chase Utley.
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/12/15/1201695/blue-jays-to-trade-michael-taylor
They're just misquoting Olney's tweet.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Michael Taylor vs Brett Wallace
Taylor:
.395, .549, .944
Wallace
.354, .460, .814
Plus Taylor is a better athlete….
Can someone please explain how Wallace is the better prospect here??
Onions Baby Onions
well
Wallace is over a year younger but essentially at the same place in his development and (maybe) can play third base. Taylor’s numbers that you cited are heavy on AA, he only had 128 plate appearances at AAA, while Wallace had over 440. So Taylor put up better numbers, but at a lower level and Wallace is younger.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Still... im not a huge fan of this...
Even if we trade Overbay, we’ve still got:
Doparik
Ruiz
EE
Wallace
Lind
5 guys and only 3 positions??? Plus the more i read about Wallace the more it looks like he will end up being a guy who really is too slow to play 3B. This makes no sense in my mind.
Onions Baby Onions
3B isn't about foot speed, it's about reaction time and an accurate arm.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Brooks Robinson
Stole a total of 28 bases (and was caught 22 times) in his entire career, at a time when even power sluggers were supposed to be swiping bags. So you’re right, foot speed has very little to do with it.
Doparik and Wallace aren’t necessarily MLB ready yet, or at least not to start the year. Starting EE and Ruiz at 3B and 1B and seeing what they do isn’t a bad idea, and if they can’t cut it, you’ve got your guys knocking on the door but not racking up service time before a June call up.
Doparik is MLB ready
Wallace should be by September at the latest it seems.
I just dont see why the Jays would want another big slow guy over an athletic guy. We already have Snider to be slow and hit homeruns.
The Jays will now have absolutely no speed. at all.
Onions Baby Onions
I Disagree
Snider isn’t fast, but he’s not slow though. He’s a big kid who runs surprisingly well and has a tight stride. The Jays as a team run the base paths quite well; last year I think they were third in baseball. Yeah, they don’t steal a lot of bases, but they don’t give up a lot of unnecessary outs, and when you’ve got a team built around OPB and SLG, stolen bases aren’t particularly valuable.
As for Dopirak, we’ll see in spring training. If he’s there and Ruiz is slugging, maybe you trade Lind’s defense in the field for the increased offense of Ruiz at DH.
I don't like this trade at all
First we lose a guy thats ready and is a 5 tool player to get a power hitting 3B/1B/DH which we have a lot. People are saying his 3B defnse isnt good. Plus we lose a guy that can steal bases. Who’s our base stealing threat now. Vernon Wells?
Joey Gathright
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I question Taylor's 'speed' though
The guy is 6’6 250 so was he fast enough to steal 21 bags or was it a little more of the element of surprise? Plus as he ages he’s not likely to retain his speed…Adam Dunn used to steal bases and doesn’t anymore.
Also, reports i’ve read are that Taylor can ‘handle’ RF but that he might be better suited for LF duties and the jays have 2 great young OFs that can only play LF as it is in Lind and Snider
well i dont think Taylor is going to be the next Carl Crawford
But hes obviously faster than Wallace.
The Jays have a huge log jam at 1B/DH already. I really want Doparik to get a shot this year too.
1B Lind/Doparik/Ruiz/Wallace
DH Lind/Doparik/Ruiz/Wallace
3B EE/Wallace
Really doesnt seem to be making much sense. We now have 2 guys who suck at playing 3B rather than one.
Onions Baby Onions
That also assumes you find someone to replace Overbay.
But count me in the prefer Taylor to Wallace as well. Even if Taylor can’t play RF forever, the fact he’s even a possible RF means he’s a better LF than Snider/Lind. And eventually, we need a new CF anyways, because Wells will need to move to RF.
Taylor/Wallace
I do find it amusing that the general consensus here is that we would prefer Taylor to Wallace, and the general consensus there is that they’d prefer Wallace to Taylor.
Was Taylor playing in a hitter-friendly league in AA/AAA
and was Wallace playing in pitchers paradise or something??
Because holy crap Taylor has incredible numbers, and Wallace looks pretty pedestrian in comparison.
Onions Baby Onions
Wallace was in the hitter-friendly PCL
Taylor was in the Eastern league, which I thought was pitcher-friendly, but I may be misremembering.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I like Law
I was just curious as to whether he had a previous working relationship with AA like he did with Ricciardi
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Jays have quality OF prospects in the system and guys on the bench who can play the positions. Our options at 3B are EE, signed only through this year, John MacDonald, and basically no one else in the system. Even if Wallace can only stick at third for a couple of years, that’s better than bringing up Ahreans, Sobolewski, or the All-Venezuelan Strike-Out Fuenmayor if EE does poorly or is gone after 2010.
Two points:
1 The Jays quality OF prospects are all at least a couple of years away. The fact that they didn’t call up any OF from Las Vegas gives you an idea of what the Jays think of the players at that level.
2 If EE has a decent year, I fully expect the Jays to sign him to another contract. I don’t think he is a full free agent so the Jays have a little control over the situation. If he sucks, well, he’s easy to get rid of.
Wallace is definitely ahead of Taylor.
He already spent a year at AAA. Taylor was in AA.
exactly
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
and he's younger
that has to count for something too. Nothing against Taylor, he’s obviously a great prospect as well.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wallace has more AAA AB’s then Taylor does so wouldn’t one thing he’s more MLB ready then? Glove work aside his bat is pretty good.
Personally I think Taylor is a better fit right now, but if the deal from the Phillies was Wallace/Drabek/D’Arnaud I don’t think there would be much backlash against Wallace it’s just that everyone fell inlvoe with Taylor so quick and now he’s gone :(
Looking at their numbers though you'd have to assume that Taylor is pretty much MLB ready also
He absolutely raked in the minors.
Onions Baby Onions
Wallace
was drafted by the Jays once upon a time in 2005 (42nd round). Not sure if that was pointed out here or not (it’s tough to work and read all the posts on here)
Well Wallace better pan out
Because im going to be comparing Wallace and Taylor and if Taylor gets better numbers in years to come ill be mad
I think both Wallace and Taylor will pan out in the majors
but it looks like Taylor could end up being the better player.
It seems the Jays just have an obsession for white guys with big thighs.
Onions Baby Onions
just like Mrs. Dakers
Zing!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
:(
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions
:( :(
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
:( :( :( :( :( :(
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Halladay's extension has been finalized with the phillies, the angels would have to offer a
package to the phillies
is there anything to suggest that Overbay would go to Seattle other than our wild BB speculations so far?
Its a fit, and he's from the area.
Other than that? No.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
other than mlbtraderumors said before the winter meeting that the mariners
have checked in with Jays on Overbay because of Branyon’s big contract demands.
Youd have to hope Overbay is going somewhere
otherwise i am not looking forward to having to watch Cito shuffle between the 3 or 4 guys who could play 1st for us next year.
Onions Baby Onions
Cito
I wish he was gone. If these trades work out we are going to have a fantastic young nucleus of players. I don’t see how Cito fits who has proven he can’t manage youth and is so set in his ways. We are still a couple years away from competing for a WS, why have a lame duck coach? Lets get a young fresh baseball mind in charge and let him experience growing pains with the rest of the team.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was just doing some research on this Drabek kid
Interesting scouting report I found.
http://www.jeffcrupper.com/images/drabekprosandcons.jpg
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Bluebird Banter
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Baseball Nation Recent Stories
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Josh Hamilton on public relapse: ‘It was just wrong. That’s all it comes down to.’
- Photo: The Marlins’ ridiculous-looking home run sculpture is almost complete
- Yankees GM Brian Cashman lures alleged stalker into police dragnet
- Report: Josh Hamilton had a relapse with alcohol
- Happy Birthday Boy! Wes Ferrell, the best-hitting pitcher of all-time, would be 104
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
