Goodbye Doc
Since just before the All-Star break, when the cat was let out of he bag that Roy Halladay was going to be traded I figured sooner or later I'd be writing a post saying good bye to Doc. For the last couple of days we've been focusing on what we are getting back for Roy, which is a lot more fun than thinking about him going away. But, sooner or later we are going to have to say bye. Just recently I wrote a long piece about Halladay's career with the Jays, in the Top 50 Jays series, so we don't have to cover that ground again.
When I was a kid and first got interested in baseball, my favorite team was the Montreal Expos and my favorite player was Gary Carter. Carter, for a number of seasons was the best catcher in baseball. One of the first things I remember buying for myself when I had a little money was a Expos jersey with the number 8 on it, Carter's number.
My Expos were a pretty good team back then but generally came up just short of making the post season. The one year they did make it was 1981, the strike season. We lost out to the Dodger's on a Rick Monday home run. That is the closest they ever came to the World Series. As is often the case, the team blamed their best player for not winning instead of looking a the black hole that was our middle infield.
The came December 10, 1984, Carter was traded to the Mets for, well, for a bunch of guys whose names I don't remember. Now back then this was an unusual type of trade. Star players didn't make so much money that teams couldn't afford them so players were traded more on playing value. Good players stayed with their teams, often for their whole career.
Anyway skip ahead a bunch of years (far more years than I care to think about) and I have a new favorite team and new favorite player. A couple of years ago I got a new team jersey with his name and number. Again he's best player in baseball at his position.
If baseball teaches us fans anything, it teaches us how to deal with disappointment and to enjoy the little things. When you don't have a winning team, it great to have things to point to that you enjoy. Us Jay fans have been lucky enough to get to watch Doc. But it also teaches us that all things come to an end.
What people forget is that Doc wasn't always an ace. He came up at the end of the 1998 season, made two starts, one that was a one hitter, the hit coming with 2 out in the ninth. The next year he spent the season with us bouncing back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen. Then in 2000 he was terrible. Terrible doesn't even describe it, he had a 10.67. ERA. Can you imagine a young pitcher on the Jays now having an ERA like that now. Scott Richmond has a couple of poor months and folks write him off. Brandon League has a handful of bad innings and people call for his head. How many times have we read that Brett Cecil will never be more than a number 3 pitcher at best.
Maybe that's one of the reasons why I like Halladay so much. It didn't just come easy for him. He had to re-work his whole delivery. He works at his craft. Very hard. The past couple of seasons he reinvented himself again, changing from having a low strikeout rate (5.6 per 9 in 2007) to becoming a guy that got a good number of strikeouts (7.8 per 9 in 2009).
As he leaves the Jays he is 2nd in Jay history in Wins (148), 3rd in Games Started (287), 3rd in Innnings (2047.2), 3rd in Complete Games (49) and 2nd in Strikeouts (1495).
I always kind of figured that one day we'd see that no-hitter from Doc. And that we'd get another Cy Young award. The great thing about watching him was that you had the chance to see something special every time out. We'll miss that.
Favorite Doc moments? Maybe beating A.J. Burnett last season. You could pick any of the 18 times he beat the Yankees, he's 18-6 career against them, the team he's beat the second most behind the Orioles (20-4). Or seeing tape of him taking to the young kids that received the pitching lesson. Or seeing him talk to one of the younger starters on the bench.
I guess my favorite moments were the rare moments he would smile. Generally at the end of a game. He is always so focused and serious on the mound, the odd moments he looked like he was enjoying himself stand out.
He is likely the guy I have written about the most over the past year and a half (well him or Kevin Millar). It will be strange not talking about him any more.
Good luck, Roy. It has been a pleasure being able to watch you.
Anyway, share your favorite memories in the comments area.
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Doc vs AJ
Burnett had just been slapped around a little the inning before, and Texieria comes to the plate. Doc’s got him one and two, after almost cashing him with a sinker that just missed the outside corner. It’s exactly the situation you throw high cheese or something offspeed at the outside corner and see if you can get him chasing.
Doc? Runs a cutter inside that Texieria so stunned by that his hands don’t even move the bat towards a swing. It’s not a big deal, not even a big moment or a pressure situationl it’s just what Doc represented to me. That level of skill, ability and baseball intelligence to throw the pitch no one would suggest because he had the absolute certainty that he could make that strike.
Randomly, that turned into a very disturbing parody of House MD for me. My girlfriend did the image, which is all kinds of wrong: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/56AUjdsxJ44/SgsNVe7XBkI/AAAAAAAAAEo/xRuaUX0AxQ/s1600-h/pitchers.jpg
Apologies if there’s a ‘no links to other blogs’ for commenters. I’m not trying to spam anyone.
Jesse Litch is pretty :)
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by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
rofl@Litsch
I have so many favorite Doc moments. One of them has to be striking out Teixiera looking on an outside cutter 3 times in one game.
My favorite player of all-time. I wish him a a very long and successful career outside of Toronto, and hope he one day wins a ring, and gets elected into the HOF, as a Blue Jay of course. I fully regret not buying a Doc jersey in his tenure as a Jay. How can I even call myself a fan when I don’t have his jersey.
HEADING STRAIGHT FOR THEM, I PRESS DOWN MAH GUNS!
Doc in Retro Blue...
I think I have gathered the stats correctly on this. When Doc was wearing baby blue (8 games started) he was:
6-0 (W-L)
63 IP
54 K’s
8 BB
1 HR allowed
7 ER allowed
1.00 ERA
4 CG
3 Shutouts
.175 BAA
In short, Doc at Rogers Centre on Friday nights was unstoppable. He two hit the yanks in ’08 just before the All Star break and one hit the yanks in ’09 in one of his final home starts as a Jay. Doc is my all time favorite player and he always will be, and I hope he gets his ring in Philly. Thanks for all the great years!
Doc in retro blue
makes me sad because of this day.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
What about RF though?
Looks like a glaring weakness right now….if any one of these three prospects is great it`ll be a good trade if two of them kick ass it`s a fantastic trade!
Probably a platoon
Baustista vs lefties
Gathwright vs righties
I’d much prefer Snider in RF, as odd as that sounds, but he’s more athletic than most people see when they look at his build. He also has a plus arm. Then that puts Lind in left, and Ruiz in DH. Sounds like a horrible defensive outfield, I know.
HEADING STRAIGHT FOR THEM, I PRESS DOWN MAH GUNS!
Oh the Doc...
It sure was nice to have one day out of five where everything seemed OK. We were (and still are) in the toughest division in Baseball, maybe in every North American league. But we had one day out of five where no matter who we faced, we could be just as good and a loss was a surprise. I’ll miss that.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Well guys,
at least the waiting is over. We’ll do our best to take good care of him for you, and hope you will do the same to two guys I think will be very good players in Drabek and D’Arnaud.
Treat Wallace however you want. That won’t really bother me.
Best of luck to you guys next year.
Forget the fact that Roy is arguably the best pitcher of this decade
Hes been my favorite athlete based purely on his attitude and professionalism. Ive never cared for any team in the NL and im now automatically a Phillies fan. I can see the argument that some people will never cheer for him in another uniform, but Roy showed so much respect to the team and fans in his time here, ill be a Halladay fan for life.
I'm not sure it's arguable
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
How about the effect hes had on our bullpen?
over the last few seasons weve had one of the top pens in the league… “coincidentally” weve had a starter who year in and year out is among the league leaders in IP and CG(led majors in both catagories last season)
Roy pitched 239 innings last year… the closest Jays to him were Romero(178) and Tallet(160). Richmond(138) is the only other guy whos even over 95 innings. Time will tell how much of an effect Roy had on our stellar bullpen the last few years.
I’ve been a Jays fan since before the Doc began his major-league career. I’ve watched some very good teams, and some pretty horrid ones. The one constant over the last several years, was that week in and week out, we had one pitcher who could be counted on to do the job – whatever it was.
I’ve seen him come out at the end of a losing streak that seemed like it went on forever and stop the bleeding.
I’ve seen him come out in relief on short rest because there was no one left in the bullpen.
I’ve seen him out-duel the second-and-third best pitchers in baseball – not because it would bring us one fraction closer to contending for a playoff spot – but simply because he could, and that’s what he does.
I remember that he always had one more inning, one more strikeout in him, and he hated to give the ball up.
Good luck, Doc – you’ve been the fact of the franchise for a decade in a way very few players in any sport have been. Hopefully my next great Roy Halladay memory will be watching him earn the World Series ring that he so richly deserves.
by Blue and White Expat on Dec 16, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions
Too Many Memories to Choose From
The best thing about Doc, as already stated in different ways by everyone was the way he seemed – every fifth day – to channel the powers of deities and perform feats like nobody else! People, like myself, who watched basically every Jays game for the past decade truly appreciate him best. There is always this caution in Canada about calling ‘our guy’ the best… thus, others follow our lead and everyone keeps saying he is “one of the best pitchers in baseball.” He is the best… his ERA, WHIP, K:BB ratio, etc show it, but more importantly, to me, three key things show it and the Phillies fans will learn to appreciate it from him (even those who’ve falsely claimed he is “not much, if at all, better than Lee”):
1) The way that out of 35 or so starts a year, it seems there’s only – at most – one or two that Doc seems to struggle… and it’s not like he ever gets jacked hard but more like 7 grounders find a hole in a row as if fate is conspiring to prove that even the best can be beaten by the odds sooner or later.
2) The number of innings he pitches, stopping losing slides, resting the bullpen, and – most importantly – winning games
and 3) The way that he works harder than everyone else in the pursuit of the one thing that most drives him: a desire, above all else, to win. I have, in my years on this planet and as a ball fan, never seen someone work harder to win… always. When you see him pitch those 35 games a year, Phanatics, you’ll appreciate him too.
There is a widespread belief here in TO that Doc is only half-human, because no normal human can be as focused and effective as he seems to be so consistently.
As others said… I am a Doc fan for life and thank the fates that he’s in the NL (so we can but rarely face him) and that I won’t feel the guilt of cheering for Doc’s pending and well-deserved ring since we managed to avoid sending him to the Yanks or Red Sox! That is our consolation prize and the ring will hopefully be yours, Doc!
You’ll be missed!
no one said every comment has to be relevant....
Jay’s blog…he mentioned his favorite Jay. I talked about my Favorite Expo.
You know what my favorite pie is? Apple.. gotta love a classic.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
Key lime pie - awesome
and one time, I was on this real estate tour in Florida, you know, come see our condo sales pitch and we give you free hotel — anyhow, they served wild orange pie, unbelievable! Did not bite on the condo though. LOL
by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
have to agree with you on the key lime
though i’m also quite partial to pumpkin pie
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
can't really compare the two
key lime is a summer pie, pumpkin a fall/winter pie. They’re both my favourite.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
You guys are all so wrong
The best pies are a toss up between
a) Warm Saskatoon Berry with vanilla ice cream
b) Rhubarb/apple pie
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by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ooo Strawberry Rhubarb, my uncle used to make one with fresh strawberries and rhubard from his own garden/farm… so good.
Could be very tart though if it wasn’t quite ripe.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
It also could be tart if it was a very small pie.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Johnny here
Though I might be biased as an apple orchardist…
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
Doc
There was one thing, I found both admirable and comical about Roy. As Blue and White Expat mentioned, he never liked to give up the ball, but it was more than that. It was almost as if Roy carries of sense of ownership about the game. The match belonged to him, and anybody else, both the opposition and the supporting offense were incidental to the challenge. That was true testament to his competitiveness. That guy is driven to win.
Sad to see Doc go... If he goes into HOF, would he go as a Jay?
I certainly will miss Doc wearing Jays Uni…
But since I live in NJ, I still have chance to see him pitch live.
I will certainly drive down to PA to catch his game once in awhile.
It’s a shame that he wasn’t able to pitch in the postseason as a Jay.
Thank you for your service, Doc.
Oh he'd go in as a Jay....
Unless he plays 8+ years in Philly and his accomplishments there outshine what he did in Toronto. The Hall used to let the players choose which cap he wore, but a few years ago the Hall decided to make the choice for the players. Teams were offering players jobs if they would pick their team’s cap.
It's possible
if he snagged two+ Cy Youngs (probably won’t happen, but it’s possible) and won a WS or two, it would be tight. Hopefully the MLB takes pity on the poor Jays, though, and sticks a blue hat on his wonderful, robotic head
Hard to believe he'd go in as a Phillie
though I guess you never know.
On a side-note, I also live in New Jersey; maybe I’ll see you at Citizens Bank sometime!
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
Richard Giffin makes a good point in comparing Lee with Halladay
Consider that against the big boys of the AL East, the Red Sox and the Yankees, Halladay is 32-20, 3.59 in 516 2/3 innings. Lee is 6-8, 4.69 in 107 1/3.
But against the sad-sack Kansas City Royals, combined with the generally lighter-hitting lineups of the NL, Lee is 31-11, 3.65 in 359 2/3 innings. Halladay is 26-11, 2.90 in 322 1/3. Doc’s had stiffer career competition and excelled.
that is awesome comparison
I smell Cy Young in 2010
by aagoodfella on Dec 16, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Unfair comparison.
Lee has only recently become a top tier pitcher.
yet they are roughly the same age, another + for Roy
by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
you can make a decent case
that Doc’s 2000 was one of the worst seasons of all time by any pitcher. Pretty amazing.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Hypothetical Question.
Roy agrees to sign a 3 year $30M with the Jays with a 4th and 5th year option
Would you rather keep Roy and build around him, or trade him to the Philies, expedite the rebuilding with the 3 young prospects?
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by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions
3 years and $30 million?
yeah I’d sign him in a second. I’d also wonder when Doc got the lobotomy to sign for less than half his value.
Oops, its late
I meant 3 years $20M (Same contract Phili gave him)
Maybe I’m at the “bargaining” stage of grief, but I’m thinking this could be the best thing for the team.
The minor league system just got a hell of alot better overnight.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Roy — not only is he good and great to watch, he would be just a fantastic influence on all those young starting pitchers coming up
this is my greatest fear of Roy’s departure is that these young guys might not develop as great of work habits as necessary without seeing what a guy like Roy does
by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Will Philly be playing in the Roger Centre this season during inter-league play?
If not, whenever will that happen?
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
"If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong. And there's no in between." ~Mark "Lunch" McKenzie
Yes
There is a fanshot written about it by a very talented blogger here at BBB.
He hypothesized that Roy would pitch June 21st, 2010.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Check out Craig's fanpost on the right side of the main page...
yeah they come to Toronto the end of June.
triple a
I went to a triple a series between the skychiefs and the indians at the time to go see Roy the first time throught the minors and Dave Stieb on his one year comeback. Saw Halladay pitch from the third row behind home plate with all the scouts. He was hitting 94 with his fastball and his curve was very good, but at that time his cutter was very underwhelming. I thought watching him, this guy is supposed to be a stud, at that time he looked like a .500 pitcher in the majors. Luckily he goes back to the minors and changes his deliver and became an incredible pitcher for the Jays. I didn’t get to see Stieb pitch in that series. Ironically after watching that 3 game set the best prospect I saw at that time was the closer for the Indians one B.J. Ryan.
Glad to see that the team Halladay ended up on was the Phillies, they were my favorite national league team before the trade. Being from S. Illinois was thinking about making the trek to Toronto to see the Thursday Jays and Cards game and then staying for the Jays and Phillies on Friday. If Roy pitches on that Friday, I might have to root for the Phillies. 2010 Roy Halladay 25-5 and NL Cy Young.
P. S. Bring back the baby blue uniforms
every friday night at home is retro night and the Jays don their powder blues
by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Being in the NL and having a high-powered offense behind him.
His numbers just might look absolutely ridculous. I’m talkin 2/3 ERA with a 22-5 record type stuff.
Hey who knows, he just might get that no hitter as well.
Personally, I think he was the biggest Yankee killer.
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
"If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong. And there's no in between." ~Mark "Lunch" McKenzie
Yep, he always brought his "A" game vs the Yanks
I’m sure ya’ll are glad he’s the hell out of the ALeast. Now you can win 4/4 against us instead of 3/4
:(
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by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
the G.O.A.T aka Roy Halladay
the greatest bluejay of all-time ….. sums it up really well for me and thousands of canadians who have lived with this team throughout the past decade – the solid season of 03 in which it really looked like they were a contender ( the FA market JP’s playground fooling us all ) a few peices away from playoffs. The 06 TEAM with additions were a playoff team in any other division but the AL east , to an insider this was known to us the blanket was pulled further over our eyes . I would never cheer for another team – or go against the BLUE for the way things have gone ! I feel this team in a way that hockey is felt in any part of this great country ! i plead with the fans of this team to reconize the process in place is a good thing and my man AA has our best interests in place – ( I HAVENT BEEN HIRED TO SAY THESE THINGS YOU WIERD CONSPIRACY CASES ) I LIKE the approach and understanding in developement at the base of this organization – we’ve been tryin to run marathons ( 162 mlb game shed ) on broken legs ( weak farm systems ) – get our boys out of VEGAS ! LOL IF your a real gamer it make no difference – lol disregard the move from vegas comment ! lol
ALL FAITH IN AA -
I think this team when it does reach its promise will smash – smash – smash
A mid tier rotation with no real bonafide but multiple two an three starters with a lineup that mashes ! !! ! !!
like texas but with better starters –
the ball park we play in is a doubles machine – factor in speed spread through the line up
1hole
8 & 9 holes
get the running game going runs will score ! !!
jays FANS unite under the heading
" I BELIEVE "
lucas
by TorontoBluejays10 on Dec 17, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions
I believe the correct term is GBOAT
Because Goat is usually the player you throw under the bus for the teams shortcomings… and that isn’t Halladay.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
He can be the GBOAT
But the GBJOAT is still Scott Rolen
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by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure how it could be Rolen.
I love Scott Rolen, but if you just want to say the greatest player who played at all for the Jays, who would it be? Henderson? I hate to say it, but Clemens?
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
it was a Wilner joke
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i remember the ghostrunner beating that drum earlier this season
but i didn’t realize it was wilner’s first
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
greatest to ever put on the jersey –
argueable -
but within time served and what he gave to the club as i think the list isnt as hard to come up with in no particular order here are my top 5 jays of all time
halladay
delgado
stieb
fernandez
bell
done and done
lucas
by TorontoBluejays10 on Dec 17, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions
no its just a hunch with the injuries and decline in stats –
to be honest im not on the kill vernon or trade him to someone just to eat his salery ! that would be a mistake -
To start it off he was overvalued by a group that didnt have great skill in valuing talent to begin with –
the problem then became we as fans were led to believe with a contract of that magnitude he would produce accordingly ! we were not informed of how this contract was dictated by the market and the higher ups didnt have tHE caHONAS to do what was best for the club and look at something more short term/ incentive based !
When you hand cuff yourself who has the key ?
How do you come out and say this person has not lived up to what he was hired to do – his attitude is !
dissapointing !
its nicer to belive VDUB was on juice rather than he didnt give a !%!& !
lucas
by TorontoBluejays10 on Dec 17, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions
the LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ..
IGNORANCE ON MY PART -
SORRY DOC
GREATEST JAY IVE EVER WATCHED
1995 – 2009
lucas
by TorontoBluejays10 on Dec 19, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions

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