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Jays Sign Two More

The Jays announced a pair of signings this morning, one we knew about, John Buck and one we didn't, pitcher Lance Broadway. The press release is after the Jump


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The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have signed C JOHN BUCK to a one year contract worth 2.0 million dollars for the 2010 season and have signed RHP LANCE BROADWAY to a minor league contract with an invite to spring training.

BUCK, 29, posted a .247 average with eight home runs and 36 RBI in 59 games with the Kansas City Royals. The Kemmerer, Wyoming native has spent his entire six-year career in Kansas City, posting a .235 average with 70 home runs and 259 RBI. The 6'3" 220 lb. right-handed hitting catcher recorded a career high 18 home runs in 2007.

BROADWAY, 26, spent the 2009 season between the Chicago White Sox and New York Mets organization. In 19 minor league games (17 starts) between Charlotte (AAA) and Buffalo (AAA), the Dallas, Texas native posted a record of 5-9 with a 6.17 ERA. In 16 major league appearances, last season, between the Chicago White Sox and New York Mets, owned a record of 0-1 with a 5.87 ERA.

Me back: Broadway was a first round draft pick in 2005. Guys like that are worth taking a flier on. He hasn't done much yet in the majors, he's not shown a lot of control yet but maybe the Jays pitching coaches can help him along. 

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Gross.

Lance Broadway is not as awesome as his name sounds.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 16, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

pretty unlikely he'll make the team

sounds like an organizational move

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 16, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup..

1st rounder though… not bad to have a project hanging around the minors.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 16, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

our offseasons the past few years have shown a trend of picking up failed former 1st round picks, so not a surprising move, or a bad one

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 16, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lance Broadway is my new favorite Jay in the minors

I hope he makes the team solely because of his incredibly awesome name.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Dec 16, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Say...

What ever happened to Chip ‘the cannon’ Cannon?

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 16, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

great name, not-so-great hitter

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 16, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cannon is in the Rays minor league system now

by Jays11 on Dec 16, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Lance Broadway and John Buck star in “Big Bats and Balls”

Flagged

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blair just tweeted that the AA not as big of a fan of Snider as everyone else and that

the Jays need more pitching and in Alex’s video up at the official website he said he’s not done dealing.

That would be ballsy trading first Halladay then Snider in the same offseason.

by ClintB on Dec 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

can you please send the link

and yes that would be ballsy. but i do think travis needs to stay

by tea time on Dec 16, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

If he is high on Wallace as a power threat like Snider, the only thing I could agree on is Snider for an OF of similar age, only faster and better in the OF…I would trade a bit of pop for a higher average and plate discipline…though it would be tough to swallow.

by Rhinos on Dec 16, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Wallace actually has more plate discipline than Snider.

This season, Bill James projects:

Snider: walk-rate of 11%; strikeout-rate of 30.2%
Wallace: walk-rate of 7.4%; strikeout-rate of 22%.

Snider has hit as well as or better than Wallace at pretty much every level and Wallace is a year and a half older.

wOBA by level

Snider
2007, A: .393
2008, A+ / AA / AAA: .403/.366/.399
2009: AAA: .462

Wallace
2008: A / AA: .416/.487 (just 57 AB for AA)
2009: AA / AAA (cards) / AAA (a’s): .389/.340/.372

By no means am I saying that Wallace is not on track to be a great hitter, but if AA moves Snider, he’d better get something pretty unbelievable back.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Dec 16, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

move Snider? making me angry

by aagoodfella on Dec 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I meant I am not familiar enough with Wallace, but if he can his potential is similar to Snider’s at the plate. The Jays could move Snider for a Cameron Maybin-like player. If 3-4-5 could be Hill, Lind, Wallace in the future, we could address another need: d in OF, speed and leadoff by making Snider expendable.

I am not saying I am for it, just trying to make a guess based on Clint’s post.

by Rhinos on Dec 16, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I deally this team would love to have Hill/Lind in the 3-4 spots, but Hill is as close as it gets to being a #2 and no one on this team right now can be a capable leadoff.

by The Playa on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

giving up on Snider

would be a huge mistake

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 16, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

How do you give up on a 21 year old kid who has shown he can already hit major league pitching?
Is he “there yet”? No, but my God, what was he, the 3rd youngest person in the majors last year?

Yeeesh

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Dec 16, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Now that the Jays no longer have an established pitcher in their rotation, do you think it would be crazy for them to go for someone like Chien-Ming Wang? Or do you figure even though he’s coming off an injury which could reduce his value that he might still be looking for too much? I think it would be an interesting consideration at least…

by Icedragon on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He apparently won't be ready to pitch until May.....

I don’t know, if you are going with young guys you might as well go with them.

by Tom Dakers on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha not sure, he did struggle thats for sure. But if he could be the pitcher he was before his injury, or even close to it, he can definitely be effective.

by Icedragon on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oops meant to post this as a response to the above post, ah well

by Icedragon on Dec 16, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not what I had in mind

Well when I was hoping they would bring in another RH starter, Lance Broadway wasn’t what I had in mind. That being said, its nice to see they are at least trying to bring in some arms that can start, even if it is at the minor league level.

by The Playa on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like what the Jays are doing in picking up former 1st rounders who havent lived up to their potential yet

They did it with Doparik and that worked out pretty well.

AA has said that he is nowhere near done dealing. No chance hes dealing Snider, but im pretty sure hes trying to work a trade with Overbay and probably Accardo and maybe some other RPs for some younger more athletic guys.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Dec 17, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I desperately hope so

It’s frustrating to see how un-athletic we are as a team. We have a lot of guys with talent, let’s not deny that, but we don’t have a lot of guys who are athletic – the lack of speed on this team depresses me.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Dec 17, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we're going for a power approach rather than a speed approach

It wouldnt hurt to have a true leadoff hitter and one or 2 guys who can get 20 steals for us though.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Dec 17, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I don't mind Gathright

Even if he is in the minors. At least he is an athletic guy that can run and play d in an emergency recall. He can’t hit, but he is only on a minor league deal.

Don’t know what the ramifications of bringing him up and sending him down would be though.

by Rhinos on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thats why I like Gathright as well, but its still to be determined if he is a baseball player or just simply a sprinter. But they definitely need more athletes in their system.

by The Playa on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you must have missed it

it’s been mentioned and linked to quite a bit in the past week or so

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

phew

i was worried

by boo15749 on Dec 17, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, it is a cause for concern

by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn’t hurt, but you don’t sacrifice OBP for stolen bases if you want any chance of winning. Something that gets lost is that the Jays run the bases very well; top three in baseball. Going from first to third, second to home, and tagging up for second to third and third to home are far more valuable than 20 stolen bases, and if you’ve got a core of starters who are good at that aspect, you’re going to score a lot of runs.

So speed would be nice, but on-base intelligence is a lot more important, and the Jays are doing fine there.

by dexfarkin on Dec 17, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with this

although Scoot, Rolen, and Rios (despite the occasional headscratcher) were very good baserunners that are now gone and replaced by A-Gon, EE, and Snider, which seems a significant downgrade, particularly given that Scoot and Rolen were also 2 of the Jays most likely to be on base in the first place.

One thing Vernon doesn’t get enough credit for is that he is an excellent baserunner.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 17, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

way too many ponches on this team for my tastes

but I think athleticism needs to be engrained into the organizational culture — AA and Beeston need to be out there running at Rogers every morning to show the org is serious about fitness!

by aagoodfella on Dec 17, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

another thing Doc did for the team

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point - I'm really curious now...

Which one of our pitchers steps up? Not in the skills sense – that’s not the context of this discussion. I mean in the work ethic and example part of the game. Who will actually strive to set a good example for the other guys on the staff?

As it is, I have to think it’ll be someone out of the bullpen – those are our only true vets in terms of pitchers. Even the young “veteran” pitchers that might be returning soon (Marcum, McGowan and Litsch) who got to play with Halladay aren’t exactly likely to play that role due to injury and simple age. If I had to put money down on anyone, I would want to put my money on someone like Tallet.

If I had to pick a young starter I think might do well in that leadership role, I’d go with Richmond or Romero. Both guys understand the benefits of hard work and perseverance and seem to have really soaked up Halladay’s guidance and help. I seem to recall Romero being quoted about learning day-to-day routines and such by watching Halladay – maybe he remembers these and carries them on to more success.

Either that or the young group of starters kinda band together and get a tight cadre going with camaraderie built upon hard-work and constant improvements. Almost like what Texas saw this year with their starters working from the ground up on fitness and seeing the dividends pay off (shaving 1.00 off their season ERA totals between 08 and 09).

I dunno. I’m spitballing here at 4am while waiting for my flight home for the holidays… my ramblings are to be taken with a grain of salt :P

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Dec 18, 2009 5:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure he can be replaced

I don’t know if there’s another starter in the game right now who can combine his work ethic with the results that he gets.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Dec 18, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, I doubt Roy can be placed

but if I was going to pick somebody who led by example, that is by really improving their results by bearing down and working on their game, my money would be on Romero

by aagoodfella on Dec 18, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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