Wednesday Bantering: Winter Meetings Day 3

by Tom Dakers on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM EST in Toronto Blue Jays News

There isn't all that much for news or rumors yet this morning, other than the Yankees have resigned Andy Pettitte for $11.75 million for a year, what that means about the Yankees' interest in Roy Halladay, I don't know but likely improves the Yankees' trading position. And Cito Gaston has arrived at the Winter Meetings. That ought to mean we should get some interesting quotes later in the day.

So far there has only been one really major trade, the big three way deal that got the Yankees a good center fielder. It does bring up the question of how the Yankees can put together complicated trade in first day and a half of the meetings while after a couple of months the Jays are still having 'preliminary talks' about a Roy Halladay trade? I'm all for taken your time and getting the best deal you can but at some point your possible trading partners have to make other plans. Or perhaps one would take a player that you were looking at to be part of a trade and use him in a different trade with another team.

I know, taking your time is a good thing, but let's start pushing forward on it. I'm tired of talking about it.

Something else I find strange is this story from MLB Daily Dish, the Yankees received the first pick in the Rule 5 Draft from Washington for Brian Bruney. Is there someone the Yankees want to pick up in that draft? You would have to think so if they traded for the first pick, but teams like the Yankees rarely want to give up a roster spot to hold a player picked in that draft. Is there a really good player available? I guess we'll find out at the end of the week.

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I just read that the Yankees are actively shopping the pick now

So it looks like they don’t think there is anything of value there, for their team, either.

Time is a great teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of it's students.

by Jason Witte on Dec 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions

i agree, it is time to get this deal done

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions

As agonizing as it is, I’d rather they didn’t rush. AA’s been clear that he’ll pull the trigger once he gets a deal that he feels is fair value, and isn’t about to try and bounce back and forth trying to get someone to overpay and risk losing it. So, let’s get fair value.

by dexfarkin on Dec 9, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

The only group of prospects that I would trade Doc for is Brown/Taylor/Drabek(Phillies), or Bumgarner/Posey/Alderson(Giants). Anything else isn’t good enough.

by BenjiDoc on Dec 9, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions

so since neither of those are on the table you would let him leave as a free agent?

by Tom Dakers on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions

that phillies package is ok, throw in the catcher Marson and you’ve got a deal IMHO

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions

Marson

Is now in the Indians system as part of the Lee trade

by JJACK on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions

Alderson

Is now in the Pirates system, traded for Freddy Sanchez.

But don’t let me interupt a good dream

by JJACK on Dec 9, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions

I am not sure the Giants deal was much of a dream

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions

Yahoo offering Winter Meeting Live Tracker

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Big-League-Stew-s-Winter-Meetings-tracker-mdash;ylt=Av1Upr59cBUyFLpTeuUJQQ5nYcB?urn=mlb,207593

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions

according to heyman:

according to toronto sun, #angels offer LHP joe saunders, SS erick aybar and OF peter bourjos for halladay. but would he go

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions

this is from Yahoo’s Big League Stew Winter Meeting Live Tracker posted by JonHeyman at 8:12 tonight

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions

THoughts on the deal

I think this is a decent deal for the Jays. Don’t know what to do with all the SS, but that is an average return, no?

by Rhinos on Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions

it is ok deal, I do not find it terribly compelling. I would probably rank it behind the Phillies rumored deal and the Rays rumored deaL

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

what were the recent rumours with them?

Bourjos intrigues me.

by Rhinos on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions

Phillies — see BenjiDoc posting above
Rays — Upton and Wade Davis

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions

I thought that was the Phills offer during the summer.

I do like the Rays offer (if it was an offer), and would hope Upton would stay in TO.

by Rhinos on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions

well, throw in one more prospect, as I indicated above although JJack corrected me on Marson’s status, and I think it would be a deal, IMHO

the Rays offer is ok, assuming the Jays keep Upton, since he brings speed and D, much needed by the Jays … however, his batting average is a bit volatile 300, 270, 240 the past three years so it worries me a teenie bit. Could be another Rios situation.

Wade has a great WHIP but few innings pitch so he is still unproven. So basically the Rays deal is swapping one of if not the best pitchers in MLB for a speedy defensive OF with a possible Rios hitting problem and a single pitching prospect. In that pessimistic light, LOL, the deal is not so compelling IMHO. It is doable, but I might keep looking around.

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

so yea, back to the Phillies being a repeat of the summer deal, yes, but I think the deal back then was ok. The visibility into MLB success for Taylor and Drabek is a quite high. However, it is still very early days for Brown so that part of the transaction is not as clear. Hence, I was saying, throw in a catching prospect with reasonable visibility, if they have a decent one, which fills a Jays need and I think it is a deal. Roy would probably, or perhaps hopefully accept a trade to the Phillies and if they can swing a long-term contract, seems like a good move for both.

However, press is recently poo-pooing a Halladay-Phillies deal, so as JJack says, could all be a pipe dream.
http://phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091208&content_id=7776608&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

by aagoodfella on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions