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Hockey's Influence on Canadian Baseball Players

There's not much more that I want to say about last night's team Canada game except to say to Ernie Whitt if you ever manage in an elimination game again, act like it is an elimination game. Show some urgency. Pinch hit. Use your players. Go down fighting. I know Cito is likely your one of your managerial influences, but you don't have to copy that statue thing of his.

Anyway, when we were talking about all the left-handed batters on the Canadian team, I suggested that maybe more Canadians bat lefty because of the hockey influence, most of us pick up a hockey stick before we pick up a bat. And swinging a hockey stick lefty isn't as unusual as swinging a bat lefty. The same reasoning has been used to explain why there are more lefty golfers in Canada compared to the US. In the States less than 5% of golfer swing left, in Canada it is about 25%.

Well, Scott White of the Canadian Press did a story yesterday saying the same thing. But he makes a few points that I'd like to comment on:

...while the two sports would seem to have very little in common, Team Canada's baseball players cite some of their hockey DNA as the reason why the team has a disproportionate number of left-handed hitters.

It is interesting to see that the players believe hockey is why more of them hit left. Of course, there is a good question in there somewhere...'Why would more hockey players shoot left than people in other sports?' My first thought was, at least in my case, Bobby Orr shot left, of course I was going to shot left. When I was a kid every kid wanted to be number 4 because that was Bobby Orr.

But that explanation doesn't totally ring true because odds are I held a hockey stick before I was old enough to know who Bobby Orr was or any other player for that matter. Was it because of my dad? Not likely, my dad was from England and I really can't remember him holding a hockey stick. I think maybe shooting lefty in hockey isn't looked on as strange. More than half of hockey players shoot left. So there is no bias against shooting left. Unlike when I played ball, batting lefty people made a big deal about it "oh look a lefty". And there were questions, subtle suggestions that since I threw right I should bat right.

In golf the suggestion you shouldn't swing left is stronger, people outright tell you you should swing right. And it is worse in the States, I have a friend who was a left-handed golfer, but he took lessons in the US and they had him switch. And man, he is the wildest golfer you have ever seen. Not that I'm great golfer. But if I tried to swing right, I'm sure I'd break something.

So I think more hockey players shot left because there isn't anyone telling them they are wrong to do it.

Nine of the team's 15 positional players hit left. But what's even more unusual - some might even say freakish - is that almost all of those players throw right-handed.

Now I realize that maybe we are reading too much into the 9 of 15 batting left-handed. We use the term small sample size around here so much that I think we should shorten it to SSS, but this is clearly a small sample size. But it is what we've got. And I feel more Canadians bat left.

But that bit about batters that throw right but swing left being 'almost freakish' interested me. Let's quote again:

Generally, most left-handed hitters in baseball are truly left-handed, meaning they throw with their left hand. And most right-handed players - those who throw with their right hand - are also right-handed hitters.

Now I was going to try to get past him saying 'Generally, most', because I'm not a great writer. But come on, don't you have editors? You need two qualifiers for the sentence? On top of that, the statement is wrong.

I didn't think that rang true, maybe because I throw right but swing left and I don't think I'm 'freakish'. So I had to check it. I grabbed the first thing I could find that listed what side batters swing from and which hand they throw with and I counted. I used this year's Baseball Prospectus annual. It has a short profile on each major league player and major prospects for all teams. I counted the left-handed batters that throw left and the ones that throw right.

And no, 'generally, most' lefty batters don't throw left. I counted 99 left-handed batters that throw left and 144 that throw right. Let that be a lesson, if you make a statement in an article be sure you are right. Some anal person is going to check. By the way there are a handful of batters that throw left but bat right. Now those guys are freaks.

Anyway onward:

This Canadian righty-lefty phenomenon is more than a statistical anomaly - it gives Team Canada a competitive edge. That's because there are advantages to being a left-handed hitter in baseball.

The majority of pitchers in the game are right-handed, meaning left-handed hitters are not as susceptible to curve balls and other breaking pitches. A left-handed hitter also stands in the batter's box closest to first base, meaning he has to cover a shorter distance for an infield hit.

Well, I'd argue that line about it giving Team Canada a 'competitive edge'. It would if opposing managers are stupid, but I'm sure most teams in the WBC have some southpaw pitchers. In a short tournament a manager can run his lefty pitchers out against a team that is stronger from the left side. Last night is a great example.

Left-handed batters have a much harder time with lefty pitchers because the curve ball moves way from them and because they don't see as many lefty pitchers. Lefties have a much bigger platoon split than righties. Why? Well, like the man said there are more right-handed pitchers, so if you are a right-handed batter if you don't learn to hit them you won't be in baseball long. If you are a left-handed batter you can make a good living just being able to hit righties. Look at Matt Stairs.

And that bit about lefty batters being closer to first base would matter more if the lefty in question was a fast slap hitter. Matt Stairs and Justin Morneau aren't going to beat out a bunch of infield grounds even if you could arrange to have him start out half way up the first base line.

One more quote:

...former major-leaguer Mike Epstein says there's another reason why hitting left-handed is an advantage.

"I believe 77 per cent the population is right-eye dominant. As a hitter, it is advantageous to have your front eye - the one closest to the pitcher - to be your dominant eye. Therefore, left-handed hitters typically set up better in the vision department."

As Epstein explains, having the dominant eye facing the pitcher really helps a left-hander pick up off-speed pitchers.

"This is advantageous because now all breaking pitches are coming into the batter instead of away from them .This advantage also helps players pick up the ball easier from the pitcher since they don't have to turn the head as far to get their back eye in line."

First, though I don't have numbers but did he make up the stat about 77% of people being right eye dominate. I know I'm left eye dominant. And if his stat is right, is it possible that more lefty batters are in that 23% that are left eye dominate?

Also again most breaking balls come into a left-handed batter if it is a left-handed pitcher. But beyond that, is it my imagination or are most left-handed batters fast ball hitters? Matt Stairs, for example, is a fastball hitter. And if being right eye dominate is such a big deal, wouldn't lefties hit lefty pitching better, if that helps them pick up breaking balls better?

Anyway I was happy someone else thought that hockey was the reason why there was so many lefties on Team Canada. Too bad it didn't help us win. Maybe if they allowed us to fight?

 

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though we are up 3-0 early...

I don’t think we scored 3 runs on Matt Garza all of last year

by Tom Dakers on Mar 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clement allowed 2 runs in 4 on 2 hits and 3 walks

Not sure what that does to his chances. Presumably the hits will increase and the walks will decrease as spring continues?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 10, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the 3 walks in 4 innings in 4 innings is what gets me....

makes me think he is scared to throw things across the plate, that he doesn’t think he can get guys out.

by Tom Dakers on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wolfe's line: 5R, 3ER, 3H, 1BB, and two team errors

…yeah, he’s not making the team.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

does that mean Hayhurst has a shot?

guess not really, wonder why Wolfe has been so bad?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullington is getting beat up too....

Thigpen it a home run….none of the backup catcher types or doing well. They are making Thigpen look better

by Tom Dakers on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am just disappointed that

they quoted mike epstein but didn’t refer to him as superjew.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Mar 10, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hockey lefties

My hypothesis on the hockey thing is that, when playing, you spend a lot of time with one hand on the stick. Most people will choose their dominant hand. When it comes time to use two hands, it’s simply a matter of grabbing down lower with the non-dominant hand. Therefore, a lefty shot is more natural for a right handed person. A right hander shooting right will have to slide his right hand down the stick and grab the top with his left – not a natural thing for most of us.

When we switch to golf or baseball, the lefty swing is the one we are most used to.

by gwh on Mar 11, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting

i played baseball before hockey and the reverse must have applied to me, as I started off batting right handed and later played hockey right handed. it would be interesting to see what percentage of USA-raised hockey players play left- or right-handed as well.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Mar 11, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely wouldn't be that hard to do....

but all the reference books I have around here are baseball…not hockey…but I’ll see if I can check it out

by Tom Dakers on Mar 11, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I started looking

and for the first 20 american players I found, 15 were left-handed shots. Small sample size cautions yet again but does, at first look, seem like more americans shoot right.

by Tom Dakers on Mar 12, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on position...(get your minds out of the gutter)

For most kids playing hockey, it is advantageous to shoot left if playing on the right wing. Its much easier to one-time a pass and you have a better angle at the goalie. Similar thing applies to a right shooter on the left wing. I switch hit one ball season and it was not that hard (I’m a right handed hitter). But with golf, I would think it would be dangerous or comical.

One thing to note is that for anyone over the age of about 35 (and definitely 40) many teachers would force a child to learn to write with the right hand if they were lefties. That would likely include throwing at a young age but most kids would not be swinging a bat until they were older (maybe grade 3 or 4). As kids get older and they started to swing bats and play hockey, it would have been easier (more acceptabe maybe???) to hit left (their natural swing) but they started out throwing right.

The whole right dominant eye thing closer to the pitcher seems kind of weird considering that you face the pitcher (unless your some kind of mutant your eyes should be the same distance from the pitcher) and the ball is coming in way to fast for your head to be turning to follow it. Heck a fastball is coming so fast a batter can’t even see the ball once its half way there (there was a really good Discovery Channel show about the science of batting).

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." — Albert Einstein

by No Bunting on Mar 11, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well in hockey...

At least here….they don’t give a kid a position right away, first couple of levels the kids are moved around so they play everything. TIm Bits hockey, the first level very young kids play they hardly worry about positions at all. And Tim Bits hockey every kid already has the hand they shoot with down, many of them skating is something they have to learn thought. So position doesn’t cause the hand you shoot with. It is the other way around, and really it isn’t till higher levels that we worry about left shot on left wing, right on right. There is the odd player that likes to play on the opposite wing as their shot, feeling they get a better angle on the goal.

I can swing a bat both left and right handed but a hockey stick I shoot left, I can hold a right handed stick but shooting is extremely awkward for me. Golf…a bone would snap if I swung right.

The eye thing…well if you are a left handed batter your right is more towards the pitcher, unless you have a really open stance. Try standing at the plate and closing one eye then the other and see which one is giving you the better view.

by Tom Dakers on Mar 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I found switch hitting hard

I could make consistent contact with fastballs, but never got any power or lift on the swing from the left side. I was always hitting ground balls or popping it up, especially on breaking pitches. What is kind of funny is I was always pretty good with my left foot in soccer. My shot isn’t as powerful but I get good lift on the ball and can put it where I want it to go.

I agree in hockey it is a nice advantage to play right wing with a left-handed shot, but mostly because it is a little misdirection on the defense. You do get a nice angle, but I feel like the bigger advantage is that it’s a little unexpected.

Away from sports, I can play guitar pretty well but I’m no good at piano b/c I never mastered the left hand – right hand coordination. I couldn’t play guitar left-handed to save my life though.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 12, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wish i could make consistent contact

with either side.

"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

by jessef on Mar 12, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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