Here's some news for you Rince...
by bunner on Mar 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
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Pretty decent article on Moonraker, and why the Jays should start him in AAA. I don't disagree with the idea either. The comment about having 6 weeks of Snider this year or 6 months of Snider in 2015 really nailed it for me. The first 6 weeks of this year he could really struggle (hopefully not) but he could, and with the season we're expecting to have this year (another 4th place finish?) why is it so important to have Snider on the team before May 15? By 2015 he'll hopefully be an established star so that season could be a monster for him...and it could be a year that they Jays actually compete for a playoff spot unlike this year.
Letting him start in AAA allows him to not only work on his development but also lets him hit in what I understand is a very favourable home park for hitters (though it may slow the development of our top pitching prospects). That could be good for Snider, if he gets on a roll in AAA he has a better chance of continuing that roll upon his recall May 15th, whereas if he gets in a funk early this year that could really hurt his entire season.
Thoughts?
Response from Rincewind:
Decided to move my response into the post.....cause...why not, I can.
I saw this....
It is interesting, and I think that’s why Brett Cecil isn’t going to making the team out of spring training and if Brad Mills doesn’t start the season with us, odds are that will have something to do with it. Some have speculated that the reason why Ricky Romero is back into the race for a rotation job is because they don't want to start the clock on Cecil and Mills. And they might be right
But then the flip side of that is that they have to sell some tickets this year. I’m a big fan and I think watching Moonraker might be the most compelling reason to watch the Jays this year. Having a potential Rookie of the Year should draw some fans.
I would think the Jays will be giving Snider a contract something like Evan Longoria’s in the near future that would buy out his arbitration years and his first season or two of free agency.
I do think that calling him up 3 days before the September call ups was a mistake. If they kept him in the minors for those 3 days then the 32 days he was in the majors last year wouldn’t count towards that.
And you are right, this would have been worth a post…I didn't think I could write enough words about it, but have always been long winded. Nice part about a blog is you don't have to tailor your writing to what fits on a page.
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I agree
I figure the Jays will try to lock him up early long-term so it won’t matter too much. If they wait until his last year, a la Wells, it would matter a lot, but I don’t think they’ll do that. I could see them making an offer this season, actually. It’s an interesting thought, though.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Service Time
I brought up the same point in the comments of Given’s post. He corrected me, saying time earned in September counts the same as time in June. Interesting…
by Lloyd D. Barber on Mar 25, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
September time doesn't count for Rookie of the Year status
if it’s your first September, I think.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
re: Longoria
although it seems like it didn’t make a difference that the Rays started him at AAA last year, but does anyone else think that he may have commanded a more lucrative contract to buy out his arbitration and first few free agency years if they had started him at MLB because he would have been hitting free agency sooner?
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Yeah...they would have had to start the buy out years one year earlier....
The Longoria contract has club options for the last three year totaling $26.5 while the 4 years he gets $17 million.
yes but what i am wondering
is whether the rays used that as leverage to give him a cheaper contract or not. it is possible that they had a previously worked-out deal and just started him in AAA to get him hot at the beginning of the season, isn’t it?
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Think they used it to get an extra cheap year......
cause the contract doesn’t jump in money till they are buying out arbitration.
Kind of weird
that he wouldn’t be too soured to sign the deal immediately, though? i know if a team purposely did that to me i’d be kind of annoyed at them
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Yeah maybe....
but then somebody puts a contract in front of me that says $44 million on it…..I get over it. Players have to realize it is a business too. He did get $17 million guaranteed when he had no leverage at all.
And then you tell your agent and he tells you to hold out for more
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
I really can't imagine me doing that....
‘hey these guys want to give me $44 million to play a kids game’ ‘ask for more’ ‘are you ****ing me, you know how many Martin Guitars I can buy with that much money?’ But then I’m terrible at negotiating for money.
By the way
the Rays just sent David Price down to the minors, so apparently they are doing the same with him and the Orioles are doing to same with Matt Wietters.
Boys and girls...
in 2009 the Natural gets $400,000 give or take a penny … IF he plays all this year (or even 5 months – remember his clock is already 1 month old – September last year) in 2015 his FIRST year of FREE AGENCY he will be owed – what – 20 million(ish)? IF he stays in AAA for one month and ONE DAY in 2009 then in 2015 (his last year of arbitration) he’ll earn 12 million(ish). SO for five weeks in April (May) of 2009 we’ll pay 8 to 10 MILLION extra in 2015.
I say – PLAY the Phenom – after all – I don’t have to pony up the extra 10 big ones – Ted’s Boy has to. BUT – I hear Teddy’s Boy is not as free with his bundles of 10 big ones as I am with HIS bundles of dosh.
I'd just rather have...
Snider in 2015 then Snider from April 6 – May 15 this season. I don’t really care about the $ because like you say it isn’t ours to spend. But it’s entirely possible that someone will woo Snider with mega bucks and a chance to win the WS in 2015 as a free agent and the Jays won’t be able to afford to keep him…
A potential superstar in his prime for an entire season (at a reasonable price) or a struggling rookie in his first season for 6 weeks….
If he really is a struggling rookie
then we can send him down for any 6 weeks this season—it doesn’t have to be the first 6.
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
true
unless he gets hurt, then he keeps accruing service time.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
In fact, can't it be 6 weeks any time in the next 3 years?
(at which point he would be out of options)
"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"
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