New Architects: Game Preview and Thread, Tigers at Jays

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT Comment 263 comments

If you haven't already rounded up this morning's news, we did so this morning so check it out. However, we missed a couple of really interesting blog posts.

First, Ghostrunner on First takes a great look at Dustin McGowan -- where he's been and what we might expect from him going forward. We know the Jays were a little optimistic with McGowan's expected return time, and I tend to think that they did that, consciously or subconsciously, due to the fact that they knew they would not significantly augment the pitching staff in the offseason. That said, the important thing is that McGowan comes back healthy and effective, not exactly when he does so. He's a significant part of the Jays' future.

One really interesting article we missed was this fascinating look over at Southpaw, one of the more interesting and thoughtful Jays' blogs around, at which teams have been most effective in the draft in drafting useful major league players. Southpaw comes to the conclusion that the Jays have been the second-most successful team in the draft since J.P. Ricciardi's reign began. I think that is interesting, but limited in that his focus is on major-league players who have gotten some playing time, not wins or runs over replacement from drafted players, which would be, in my opinion, a more interesting and less Jays'-friendly look.

Some moves: Russ Adams, Jason Lane, Brad Emaus, and Scott Campbell were returned to minor-league camp. All enjoyed excellent springs and it would not surprise me to see 2 or 3 of them get major-league time this year. On the pitching side, Brian Wolfe was optioned to AAA and Dirk Hayhurst was returned to minor league camp.

Scott Richmond pitches for the Jays this afternoon and continues his attempt to make the rotation.

Jays' Lineup:

Marco Scutaro, SS
Aaron Hill, 2B
Alex Rios, RF
Vernon Wells, CF
Lyle Overbay, 1B
Scott Rolen, 3B
Adam Lind, DH
Michael Barrett, C
Travis Snider, LF

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hey Rince

I deleted your gamethread. I hope that’s okay, I had just put one up and it’s got what you had plus some more

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions

Richmond gets the K to start the game

although an error on the dropped ball means Granderson takes first

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions

sorry thanks.....

I didn’t notice yours….sorry

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions

normally I can see when you have one in the hopper.....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Jerry mentioned John Brattain's passing...

and mentioned his memorial is today. We should raise a glass for him later…

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

definitely

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

good afternoon everyone

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

hey hey

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Richmond gets Mags

looking

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

second strike out in a row....he could get 4 this inning

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

may have to the way the defense is playing

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Barrett throws it away

allowing Granderson to take third

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

really? for defense?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I was surprised Thigpen came in second in the poll we ran

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I was too

glad he got traded though. I wonder if the same thing will happen for Russ – unlike Thigpen, he at least had a good spring

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

or just think Barrett is finished?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I'm with Cito with a catch and throw guy for a back up

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

singles him in

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

Think we'll see Arencibia up before september this year?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

I don't

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I did before the spring but he didn't look good...

I think it will be chavez/jeroloman first call ups

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions

you?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope so, this year is going to be about watching the kids

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

hmmmmm after striking out two this isn't going well....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah he's unravelling here a bit isn't he

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

came back well against Laird though

overall a good inning, I thought

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Richmond walks Sheffield

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

Not sure what Lane had to do to make the team

if what he did wasn’t enough.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

needed a gun I guess....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

he needed Wells

not to be able to play opening day and to have that spring

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe Cito wanted to see what wacky name they gave Millar this year

in the baseball video games.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Gets thru the first.....not so bad I guess....wouldnt' have given up the run without the error

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions

I read a new artice from baseball america

that states Cecil is going to be specifically working on hiding his pitches better in his delivery. Maybe that’s why he was sent down…

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

that would explain

why they didn’t keep him around for a longer look

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I think he likely had something to do with no wanting to start the clock on him

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

quick inning for us....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

I hate this commercial already......

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah awful song

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

Tim Dierkes from MLB trade rumours has us winning 85

first projection above .500 I’ve seen from a non-Jays partisan

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

If you project based on the early BP runs scored/allowed totals

(and not the BP win totals) you get something like that.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

there was one on Fox sports that had us ahead of the Yankees

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

apparently blair said on the fan the jays could loose 100 or more this year

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions

yeah I read about that

it’s possible if Doc gets hurt, no one else in the rotation steps up, and the hitting doesn’t improve. Those things don’t seem real likely to all happen in the same season, though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

course it is about as likely that 6 guys for the Yankees get hurt and they loss 100

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

they can always bring in players to compensate for injuries

we can’t

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

There's not another Burnett just waiting to get picked up.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

no, not to just get picked up

but the Yankees seem to make significant acquisitions mid-season almost every year. You never know if they’ll be able to make a trade for someone like Peavy

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

the defense is a disaster today

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Snider!! geeze man.....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

isn't that 3 errors on him this sprin

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

yikes, I feel sorry for richmond

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

hard to evaluate a pitcher in this kind of situation

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Why do we need three different commentators?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

Does anyone not know what area 51 means?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

I was wondering

if somehow that hadn’t made it across the border

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Do you live in the US hugo?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

yep

Washington DC. you?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Small town in BC, about 4 hours from Calgary Alberta

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

which small town?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Cranbrook

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm in Calgary

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

cool

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

It's nice right in the rocky mountains

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I've been to Glacier (the US version)

it’s close to that, isn’t it?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

somewhat yup

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

it's beautiful there

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you canadian citizen as well?

Just curious how you came about to be a jays fan?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

nope, born and raised in Brooklyn NYC

it’s a long story but I got started rooting against the Red Sox and Yankees. A bit of a Canada-phile though, I guess

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

cool, good to hear

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I always have to pretend to be Canadian

when I sport my Jays gear at Yankee stadium for games against the Yankees. If they found out I was born and raised in the city, I’d really get ragged

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

do you follow the nationals much Hugo?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, some

I go to games fairly frequently. Not as often as I did for Orioles gameswhen I was living in Baltimore, when I went to about half the home games. The only DC sports team I support is DC United in MLS.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Not a big Capitals fan?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

nah, I grew up an Islanders fan

an old rivalry there from the Patrick Division days

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

they are fun to watch though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

my youngest wanted a Ovechken jersey for X-mas

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Polanco hits it out

ouch

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

This is going from bad to worse in a hurry

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

Seems like no one wants that 4th or 5th spot

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

the Tigers D

is as good today as the Jays’ is bad

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions

Our defense is starting to worry me a little....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds windy

Inge didn’t have to deal with it.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

We get one back

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions

But that's all...

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions

The jays sound like a mess in the field today

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions

How could a play on the shortstop side of second be and easier play for Hill?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

if he was holding the runner on second, no?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

hmmmm maybe...but the shortstop should be moving towards first.....

oh well….

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Richmond reminds me of (gulp) Josh Towers

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

yeah he's not going to miss many bats

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

he does seem to get a good amount of Ks though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Towers had a pretty good 2005 for us

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

I totally agree

I mentioned that last week. the ratios look good but he gives up too many hits

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

But he gets a K to end the inning

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions

I don't know the numbers but Ricmond sounds

like an extreme fly ball pitcher

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

yes, he is

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Equal GB/FB split

according to Statcorner.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

says 37% ground ball rate

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

which is pretty strongly slanted

on the flyball side

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Got a couple of guys on

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions

Wells loads the bases

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Bases loaded, Vernon infield hit....

quit selling us that Wells is healthy, what we are worried about is him getting injured again

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

Overbay goes down

to leave them loaded

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Reading Griffin's piece.....

do we think any Jay will drive in 100 this year?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions

Wells will, is my guess, if he stays healthy

with Hill and Rios hitting in front of him.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say Rios but...

Scutaro and Hill in front of him don’t get on that much. But then Joe Carter drove in 100 with Carlos Garcia and Marino Duncan in front of him

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Scutaro got on more than Ellsbury in 2008

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Ellsbury

was a bad leadoff hitter last season though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, never know he might even be a bit better this year

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I'll say probably not, unless as Hugo

pointed out Wells can actually play a full season, that’s a big if though

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

I agree with that, too

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm just hoping we don't need to go down to the last game or so

just to get someone to 20 hrs

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions

oh Rios is going to hit a bunch.....I have faith

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

i guess 28

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

i hope for 50 from overolen

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

And Andy has snider hitting 35

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

that would be quite nice

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

55 lol

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

even better

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Knew if I invoked your name, you'd appear

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm always close by.... dissertation = internet

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

how goes it?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

what subject?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

international realtions... iraq/afg

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

its going well, might have to do some fieldwork "in country"

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

that would be cool

though somewhat scary

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

one finger typing, one writing today, lol

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

should be ok, researching the PR war, so i'l be in press pool/embedded, hopefully in the field for the minority of the time, stay on bases etc.

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

same here

preparing for trial on Monday

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

goodd luck

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks!

you too

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

If the jays start loosing this year

I actually wouldn’t mind them loosing a 100 games, top 5 draft pick, first year to go over slot, plus I think we’d get a change of GM’s, perhaps Lacava. I’m not anit-JP, I just think it’s time for a fresh start.

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions

Going through the learning curve again

is not a good way to compete soon.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I get the feeling the Jays prefer Anthopolous

but maybe that’s just because LaCava is interviewing for every open GM spot.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I though Anthopolous myself...but couldn't spell it so I'll hope for LaCava

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

that was a good inning for Richmond

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions

Jackson may turn into a pretty good pick up for the tigers

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

he seemed like a huge regression candidate, but you never know

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

One year spikes in LOB% don't carry over?

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Although he never had many innings before 2007

so all the old LOB% numbers are somewhat suspect.

"He almost has to start. Do you believe in miracles?"

by Torgen on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

don't forget to

mention his 1.40 K/BB ratio and Whip over 1.50

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Slightly different defense for him now

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

better park though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Jackson has a good arm....

Rays have 20 guys with good arms tho…..

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

if romero pitches very well next time out, is he in?

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions

over Richmond or Mills?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

ya

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Over Richmond maybe....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

he really didn't pitch too badly today

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I just don't think the Jays care much about Richmond....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

they really don’t think he’s an important part of the future at all

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

that's something we're going to have to get used to

out of the 4 and 5 spots, we were so spoiled last year

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

im worried he will get smoked

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

No Emaus, Lane, or Campbell to make a comeback today.

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions

so true

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Tallet in....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

snider trying to make up for the error

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions

don't get hurt!

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

"run THROUGH the bag"

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

double by snider, must be ok

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

Hill hit by pitch....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

and taken out for Howie

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Howie's in to run

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

Rios hits into a DP

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

poor hitting with RISP today

echoes of 2008. oh, and 2007

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Not believing in 'Cito Magic'?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

i think we need some kind of curse lifting, maybe a sacrifice of some grazing animal?

by Andy Mc on Mar 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Could they not have left either Campbell or Emaus

up rather than Howie Clark

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions

well they want to get Campbell and Emaus settlled....they don't care about Clark

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree, but I don't care about Clark either lol

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't mind him getting one chance to slide into ARod at third

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

they could've kept Adams

as they must be trying to move him anyway

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure oakland will take Adams as well

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I think you're probably right

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought Adams might still be around.....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

adams was sent to minors camp today

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions

or just get Inglett some at-bats

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Hugo did you get that book?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

no not yet

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

saw it in the book store the other day....looks interesting

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions

was hoping I'd get it in time for my trial in Vegas next week

but at least maybe I’ll have it for my subsequent vacation

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Sierra is in right, mac at ss

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

nice couple of innings for Tallet

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

That commercial is going to cost them listeners....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

that song is so annoying.

I remember being annoyed by it in 4th grade when it was all the rage. Some kid named Mikey Ippolito (we were the two best players on our soccer team) then asked me what my favourite song was if I was so smart, and I told him it was Boys Don’t Cry by the Cure. That was the end of my life as a jock

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

That would do it....

I remember complaining it won the Grammy as best song….and being told how wonderful it was. I guess really should just ignore Grammys

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Though I liked seeing Robert Plant and Alison Krause this year

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm heading to Vegas in May

and checking out a 51’s game, hopefully I get to see Cecil start

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions

that's could be nice....ought to see if I can get there in May or June

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

nice

I wish they were playing there when I’ll be there, but I’ll likely be back pretty soon. Am hoping to get a hat though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

is a very cheap flight from here....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

some super cheap flights and hotel deals in vegas right now

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions

I'm flying out of kalispell, 2 return tickets came to under 300 for both

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

that's great....we need to make a scouting trip

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you going to send us game reports?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Got the Mets game on TV....a guy sitting right behind the plate wearing a Expo cap

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

Downs in

also, Bautista, Shoffit, and Millar

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

Cito talks about relievers that can go more than one inning....

and doesn’t mention Downs…didn’t he go three at times last year?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Cito seems to see him as the everyday 8th inning guy

he may have to close this year too

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

everyday being the key term

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly

you go two one day, you usually can’t pitch the next day

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

wonder if Richmond's

early exit means he’s lost the battle? I’m not sure how many pitches he threw

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

the spring MLB.com boxscores don't include pitches thrown

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

right

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think they'll still want to see if Romero can

thow stikes next time before making a decision.

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions

Hugo, you listen to a lot of music, what's the best CD out in the last year or so?

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions

The Yeah Yeah Yeahs new one is really good

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah I hear that

haven’t heard it yet though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions

that's a hard question

I did do an 8 favourite records of 2008:
Sea Wolf, Leaves in the River
Tokyo Police Club, Elephant Shell
Okkervil River, the Stand-Ins
Band of Annuals, Let Me Live
Alejandro Escovado, Real Animal
The Gaslight Anthem, ’59 Sound
The Walkmen, You and Me
The Hold Steady, Stay Positive

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

for you I would most recommend

Sea Wolf, Band of Annuals, and Alejandro Escovado

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok I'll look.....

I never get to hear new things lately….I’m old….I’m going to see Kris Kristopherson next week….that’s how old I am. I did like his new CD, just him and his guitar, almost zero production

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I liked it too

my mom has been in love with him for the past several decades

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Pilgram's Progress is a great song...

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Snakeface goes 1, 2, 3

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions

Lind gets help from the wind

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions

Jays don't score

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

I guess we are saving the come back for the 9th

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

The jays are making Jackson sound like Halladay here

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

We have made a lot of pitchers look good the last couple of years

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

including Jackson

many times

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions

The entire Rays starting staff loved the Jays

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

their hitters didn't like Purcey though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

We need to combine 2006 hitting and

2008 pitching

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

Would be nice.....

I keep thinking our hitting will be better this year….but they aren’t showing it yet this spring

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Frasor in

makes quick work of 3 tigers

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

So if no Ryan to start the year the bullpen is:

Downs, League, Accardo, Carlson, Tallet, Frasor and Camp?

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

I think that's right

question is whether if Ryan does break Camp, who makes the team – Accardo or Camp?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

well if he breaks Camp it's Accardo.....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

but bad jokes aside...I think Camp because Accardo has an option

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

curious Davis Romero saw no action this spring

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

that was strange, wasn't it?

he had really killer numbers against lefties last season

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought he made a great comeback from surgery

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

he had a nice year last year

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

They had a heck of a lot of lefties in camp

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

and of course Frasor might still be traded

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope Hayhurst makes it back sometime though

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

He was terrific wasn't he....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd have that drink for Brittian now but it is still early out here....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

Camp's in....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

Camp was pretty effective against righties

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah he was great

unfortunately he was terrible against lefties, but if used correctly he could be very effective

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice inning for Camp

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

Time for the come back

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

Dopirak starts it off

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

good to see the rest of the pen rounding into form

if everyone else is pitching like they can, we can certainly afford to be without Ryan for a little while

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

yeah the pen looks ok

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

of course it is such a small sample that you can't really tell

but it seems like they started shaky but have gotten strong as the spring has gone on

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah....better than the other way around like the back end of the rotation seems to be working

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Barrett tried...

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions

I was reading wilner's blog and someone posted about picking up Hu from

the dodgers and wilner responded that he thought it would take quite a bit to get Hu.

by ClintB on Mar 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

really? Ok....I'll respect his opinion.....

by Tom Dakers on Mar 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

that's interesting

and might very well be true. We certainly couldn’t get him for a Thigpen-type deal, but we could give up a legit major-league bullpen arm, and LA could use that a lot more than they can use Hu, I’d think?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions