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First Three Game Losing Streak, Don't Panic.....

Jays 1 Red Sox 5

Well, we are going to have a bunch more broken ankles as people jump from the bandwagon, and silly fanposts saying we should send everybody to Triple A and call up 35 year old minor league lifers. I'll remind folks it is our first 3 game losing streak of the season, is there any team that hasn't had a 3 game losing skid? We are in first place and 27-17. Losing three in Boston isn't really something to be too upset about. Sox play well there, we'll thump them in Toronto next week. 

Anyway Ray wasn't great. I really am of the opinion that he should get sent back to Vegas and Janssen or Romero should come up. Ray could have been helped out if Rios managed to catch Jason Bay's home run ball. After watching it a couple of times I think it was a harder catch than I originally did. Rios is such a smooth runner it never looks like he is going hard but he does have as much range as any right fielder. Anyway 5 runs in 4.1 innings isn't a good outing. Our pen did well again as League, Cy and Frasor pitched the final 3.2 innings scoreless. 

Offensively we got 11 hits but just one run and only 1 extra base hit. Everyone had at least 1 hit except for Lind, he's had a rough few days. Scoot, Hill and Wells each had two hits. No Jays of the Day today. Suckage Jays are Ray (-.253 WPA) and Lind (-.137).

Anyway, surprisingly I'm not all that bummed out by the sweep. Get to find out who are the real fans are. Enjoy that we are in first, don't let the bandwagon jumpers get you down. 

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last season

on june 1st 2008, tampa bay was 34-22… they had a series at boston in may… and guess what, they got swept. Look where they ended up…

Lets just finish this month strong and go into June with 32+ wins under our belt

by Aquamelli on May 21, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

in fact

they got swept AGAIN in boston in the first week of June

by Aquamelli on May 21, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford or BJ Upton on the Jays roster.

The Rays had a ton of cheap superstars on the cusp for years, Garza and Kazmir and Edwin Jackson were elite level pitching prospects that arrived all at once. Halladay is a monster stopper and the best pitcher on either roster, but there is no way the Jays 2-5 matches up with the Rays 2-5 of last season.

Now if Marcum and McGowan were 100% healthy, and all they needed was Romero to overachieve and one of Tallet, Ray, Richmond, Purcey or Cecil to fill in the 5th spot, then I could see their sleeper potential.

The baseball season is a marathon, and the Sox and Yankees arms give them a HUGE edge.

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by Wamsley on May 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right Field

The reason Rios slow start was harder to accept than Vernon’s was because Vernon is an excellent fielder. Rios is not. His attempt at the homerun ball brought back the memory of last year at Fenway when he watched a person in the front row catch a homerun ball. Watching him duck a ball off the wall this year a game after getting hit in the head with a flyball makes me feel he is not one of the better fielders in the game.

by Piccasso on May 21, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Vernon's a better fielder than Rios?

hmmmm all the numbers are wrong then I guess.

by Tom Dakers on May 21, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The numbers

3 gold gloves vs 0 gold gloves. Geez Tom, you are getting so used to arguing about Wells, that now you are arguing when someone says something good about him? Just kidding ;-)

I also see alot of talk about Rios catching that ball. That is a much harder play than it looks with the short wall. If its a full sized wall, I think he makes that catch easily. This is just another advantage Boston has for having such a retarded quirky ball park.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 22, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

on the one hand, Rios could have made that catch and it would have been a very good (not excellent) play …. but him missing it, has alot to do with the unusual qualities of Fenway ….

by aagoodfella on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Numbers

Yes I guess you’re right. I haven’t been impressed by many fielding gems of Rios

by Piccasso on May 21, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

well that's the thing about watching fielders....

poor ones can make flashy plays at times, good one generally don’t make flashy plays because they get there in time. Rios’ UZR number is down this year….no where near as bad as Wells’ but down some. Last year Rios had as good UZR numbers as any right fielder in baseball.

by Tom Dakers on May 21, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Ray could use more time in Vegas.

Didn’t JP say “four or five starts”? Ray may get another start to get to “five” and he’ll look good against the O’s. But even if he does well in Baltimore, I’m not sure if he should face the RedSox or the Angels or the Rangers after that. The time to send him to AAA is now. Let whoever replaces him look good against the O’s.

by PFHLai on May 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, ditto for Cecil.

But we don’t need another starter for a three-game series in Atlanta. The Jays can bring up up to 3 new guys to replace Ray, Cecil & Snider, possibly a reliever and two bench guys, for the three games there. Janssen can be recalled to pitch in Baltimore afterwards.

How ready is Ricky Romero? His numbers in Vegas are not at all impressive.

by PFHLai on May 22, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither were Cecil's

put up a >8 ERA in AAA… seems to me (could be very wrong) that pitchers often have crappy outings in rehab starts and in the minors (as someone whose name I can’t remember once put it – maybe Rance – “because the kids are so eager to face a major leaguer”)

by boo15749 on May 22, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Ray/Cecil did a nice job filling in. I wouldn’t be dead against Cecil getting another start in Baltimore, since he’s from there, just to get some of his confidence back before we send him down. Romero did a nice job for us earlier this season and made the rotation out of spring training and Janssen has had major-league success. I think we ought to see what they can do for us

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 22, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Ray ends up being as a rotation fill-in and longman in the majors. He’s pitched well and I like him but nowhere near the upside of Romero/Janssen.

Not sure if Vegas will help him but it’d help us :).

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by achengy on May 22, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Janssen

Should get called up for Ray. I would like to give Cecil another start or two.

JP did say that the rotation may change many times during the season. Though, I guess it isn’t lying if he knows the truth..

by Rhinos on May 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep time for a change

Ray has had four outings … two average outings (Bal, 3 ER in 5.2 IP, LAA 5 ER in 6.1 IP), one good outing (ChiSox 0ER in 8.0 IP) and a weak outing (BoSox 4 ER in 4.1 IP)

From what folks have been saying about Janssen in the minors, it seems he can outperform that record

In contrast, Cecil had four outings … 3 good outings (Cle 1 ER in 6.0 IP, Oak 0 ER in 8.0 P, ChiSox 1ER in 6.0 IP) and a weak outing (BoSox 8 ER in 4.1 IP) - if a pitcher in the MLB has a mix of 3:1 good to bad outings, he is doing fine

by aagoodfella on May 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios

Rios is unwilling to lay himself out to make a play. Has he ever dove for a ball? He only slides feet first and pulls up short of the wall. No danger of getting Vernons injury. He does get to the ball quickly after it comes off the wall.

by Piccasso on May 21, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

guys with lots of range rarely slide in the out field....

times I remember him sliding is when he’s going for a foul ball so he doesn’t run into the wall. Only Jay outfielder I remember sliding in the field this year is Snider a couple of times when he made the wrong break to start. I’m sure I’d likely missed some but I generally judge range by whether they get to the ball without having to dive.

by Tom Dakers on May 22, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

its official

Snider being sent to Vegas… i guess we all saw this coming though with interleague play coming up

http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/2009/05/axe-finally-falls-on-snider.html

by Aquamelli on May 22, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmm I wonder if he knows something about Adams coming up

or if it is a guess….I would have guessed Inglett but neither one would be likely to play much if at all. I’d guess Inglett just cause he could pitch run.

by Tom Dakers on May 22, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Inglett? Clark?

Just looked up Joe Inglett’s stats at baseball-reference.com. How come Inglett has only played 6 games at AAA? Is he hurt?

How about calling up Howie Clark? He can sub in almost everywhere and he is batting well in Vegas. (not that Russ Adams is batting poorly… both are batting .300+.)

by PFHLai on May 22, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, Inglett has been hurt since mid April

don’t know much about the injury, other than I read somewhere that it is a leg injury

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 22, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

that said

Inglett did return to action yesterday and play for Las Vegas, so I guess he’s healthy again

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 22, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

After seeing the replay, Rios should catch that ball. It hit the top of the wall. Too bad. WOuldn’t have changed the eventual outcome. Jays were no match for Boston in this series. They were apathetic.

Tomorrow is a new day. Thank god this trip ends in Baltimore.

by BigTimeBlueJayFan on May 22, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Rios Is A Girly Girly

Rios has such natural talent i am often left wondering how he manages to waste it all. He has misplayed or should I say not made many plays an outfielder with his speed and athleticism should make this year especially. Tonite was very bad, any good Canadian boy would have ran through the fence to get that ball, let alone just get close to it. You have to sacrifice the body on a low fence.

Anyways, I agree I would send down Ray, he needs some more seasoning but could be a solid 4 or 5 down the road, under no circumstances would I send down Cecil yet. You cannot be misused when tired and then sent down after 3 other very solid outings. Rember how you felt the last time you had the air knocked out of you, you can get back up, but are never the same that day. He in my books gets one more start at least, then Romero if he falters.

Hitting these last 3 reminded me of last year, lets just hope bad series and Doc gets us turned around.

by willie stargell on May 22, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Why would you sacrifice your body on the low walls instead of the high ones?

Low walls are by far more dangerous, because you can’t lean up against it, which was obviously Rios’s problem in the game.

I understand the green monster and all (although a giant wall doesn’t not make up for a 300’ leftfield) but the low fence in right is just dumb. A tiny wall does not make up for a 430’ rightfield.

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by jessef on May 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No shame in getting swept. It’s how they respond this weekend and against the Red Sox and Yankees coming up that will determine how this season ultimately plays out. Hopefully, this is a bump in the road and not the start of a fall back to the middle of the division.

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by Kurupt on May 22, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Rios' problem

is not that he’s a wuss. He clearly was paying attention to the ball and not the wall, I just think his focus is not as strong as it can be. He makes a few errors in the field, not due to ability but due to lack of concentration.

I think if he makes the right initial read on the play (e.g. a quicker jump) he makes the play but still a tough one. Bay did hit to the wall afterall and that’s on the pitcher mostly.

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by achengy on May 22, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

No Worries

Every team will undoubtively have a bad series. I don’t feel good that it was Boston, simply because we play them so much this year. I’m sure our boys will bounce back and be ready for the next series at home. I just hope they don’t get down on themselves and focus on Atlanta. Nothing a quick sweep of Atlanta won’t fix. We are still at the top and we will stay there. Big ROY on mound tonight so have no worries.

by TYTAN on May 22, 2009 6:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Check out some of the calls that Lester was getting over at the Mockingbird. Some of those are just sick,

Not to mention the incredible piece of crap call at first that ended up costing the Jays the 5th run.

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it. - Dogbert

by JohnnyG on May 22, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know, man

We’re 1-5 vs the Yanks and Red Sox. That’s terrible any way you slice it. If we continue to get dominated by these guys and the Ray (who we always suck against) we’re surely looking at fourth before too long.

Why the hell are Cecil and Ray still on this team? I think Cecil’s got great upside, not sure about Ray, but they both need more time in the minors. Janssen is a proven winner at the MLB level, there is no reason for him to be pitching in AA.

Sorry for being so negative, I’m in a funk. I hate Wakefield and Varitek and hate losing to the Sawks.

We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin

by solace on May 22, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

and that one win was Halladay

But the Jays are still 10 games over .500, 1st in the AL and third in the league.

Wells and Rios did hit a bit better in the last bit here, but the Jays just didn’t produce enough runs, for all the hits that they got. Good pitching by Lester, Penny (can’t believe I am complimenting Penny) to bare down when they needed to.

by Rhinos on May 22, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://jaynation.mlblogs.com/

Panic? I would say so. After we ran over all those amazing Central teams for a few weeks there, we got a dose of reality about what playing with the big boys is about. Ray is gone to the farm after that as far as I am concerned, and Casey needs to get the call ASAP. Sending down Snider? Tough for the rook especially going to Sin City rather than down the 403 to ’Cuse.

by LD10 on May 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

OH MY GOD!!!! Time to Panic!

My God we are in first place!
My God we are still among the best hitting teams in all of baseball
My God we did it all with a patchwork rotation because most of our guys hit the DL and are ready to come back…

Wait…. What?

And Snider getting sent down makes a ton of sense, especially during interleague. He wasn’t gonna play over Lind and that along with the stuggles at the plate.

Ray should of been gone two starts ago when Janssen was ready but he has pitched really well in a fill in role (last night not withstanding).

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it. - Dogbert

by JohnnyG on May 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brutal. Absolutely incredible we got so many hits but couldn’t score more than 5 runs.

Check out my blog for my take on those goddamn bandwagon jumpers.

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by furcifer on May 22, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Here Here,

Although I want them to break their ankles jumping off the wagon… Leaves room for the real fans.

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it. - Dogbert

by JohnnyG on May 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

mental game

I think part of the reason why we lost this series was because the pitching staff got intimidated. It’ll be a good measuring stick if we can rebound back into a winning streak. If we learn the lessons from this sweep mentally, we’ll be golden. The young hurlers have to learn to stare down those hitters so that we don’t have to play from behind against good pitching teams. It’s a long season and we have the goods. So no worries. Also, forget about the bandwagoners, they a waste of time. This team has more talent than I have seen in years, barring injuries, we’re going to have a solid year.

by Bballtoms on May 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

oh heck....

We scored 5 runs in the 3 games….pitching was only part the problem…..we’ll get them next time.

by Tom Dakers on May 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that was a fun trip to Boston

Too bad about the series. On the other hand, it was a beautiful night for a ball game…. couple of observations that may have been missed elsewhere.

Sox fans are loud. Everywhere in the park, no matter what seats.. They just never stop talking. It is like watching a ballgame with 37,000 drunk yapping smartass teenagers—-a constant din of medium decibeled inanities. That being said, they are a damn nice bunch—-and their smiles are wide and unceasing—-the contrasts to the Rogers/ Skydome crowd is marked.

As for the game:

Robert Ray didn’t pitch that poorly—he deserved a little better fate. As a sinkerballer (or whatever he throws) topping out at 92 mph, he relies on the ability of his fielders…and Millar let him down twice in key situations—-the leadoff double by Elsbury was catchable, and the Scutaro throw which took Millar off the bag—-Overbay would have handled both plays.

Lester had the Jays uncomfortable the whole night—-notwithstanding the barrage of singles….you never had the feeling he was in trouble….

Wells is a good hitter but has serious psychological problems…another typical night…

Finally, while I love Cito’s calm attitude, the team needs some gung ho approach at times too. It’s not up to Cito to provide it; but there should be some leaders in the clubhouse to amp it up when necessary…a Joe Carter type or two…i’m not sure if this edition of the jays have such players…but they were certainly looking mopy and shell shocked in Boston.

Anyway, it’s a long season…let’s beat up on the crappy teams, play the good ones to a .500 mark and we can win it all

by norm depalma on May 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

"some leaders in the clubhouse to amp it up when necessary"

From what I hear, thats Kevin Millar?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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