Jays Lose in Extras

by Tom Dakers on May 5, 2009 1:52 AM EDT in Toronto Blue Jays Game Recaps

Indians 9 Jays 7 in 12 innings

Well, sooner or later we had to lose one in extras. Can't get too upset over the loss other than a couple of relievers had crappy second innings of work after good first innings. Brandon League pitched a good 8th inning and then gave up 3 runs in the 9th costing him a save, but the Jays tied things in the bottom of the inning. In the 11th Shawn Camp pitched a quick inning, but gave up 3 runs in the 12th and this time the Jays couldn't come back.

I don't know, if I'm Cito I would have had League on a short leash in the 9th, but in the 12th with Camp....would be tough to take him out because you had to figure you were running out of relievers if the game went much longer.

Anyway, Tallet pitched a good 7 innings, if Downs hadn't pitched the 3 previous days he would saved the game and Tallet would have had the win.

Offensively, every Jay batter got at least one hit, except for Travis Snider, man is he in a deep slump. He got pinch hit for by Millar in the 8th. Even Johnny Mac had a single in his at bat in 12th. Hill, Rios, Wells, Lind and Rolen each had two hits. But Hill struck out in the 12th with the tying runs in scoring position to end the game. Hill has come thru so many times for us this young season that you almost feel ripped off when when he didn't this time.

Jays of the Day are Jose Bautista (.350 WPA), Vernon Wells (.190), Bill Murphy (.117) and Alex Rios (.098). Honorable mention to Johnny Mac and Adam Lind. Suckage Jays? Well there were a few League (-.611 tho maybe Cito should have pulled him before he blew the save), Camp (-.313, ditto), Overbay (-.179), Hill (-.123) and Scutaro (-.118).

Tomorrow Brett Cecil gets his first start for us, gotta hope he gets us a few innings. We is 18-10 and still in first, though just by a game now that the Red Sox have beaten the damn Yankees today.

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Cito

I know I’ve only been here only a month or so, but I think the general consensus is that people around here would never accuse Cito of “overmanaging”. That being said, I like that Cito ran League out in the 9th. He’s been as unhittable as anyone in the bulpen the past couple weeks. Especially with all the work the bullpen has done lately and an afternoon game following with a Rookie starting. Its just SOOOO frustrating to lose the game with 2 out and league up 0-2 in the 9th that it makes it easy to second guess Cito. Oh well, lets get them this afternoon!

If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.

by craig in calgary on May 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions

No Cito won't over manage...

Though pinch running Snider for Lind is damn close. I don’t mind that he sent League out for a second inning or Camp matter, I’d just like him to catch on to the signs that they are tiring quicker than he does. When League was pitching in the 9th we had lots of able bodied pitchers available so when he showed he was tiring, get one of them up and in. Camp was a little tougher a spot but like was pointed out in the game thread, Brian Wolfe was in the pen. It might be ‘why lose with a tired pitcher when you can lose with a rested one’ , but you can get injuries with pitchers throwing when they are tired.

by Tom Dakers on May 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

So

Would you like to have seen League pulled initually when he gave the tying run in the 9th? I kind of struggle with that. Of course hindsight says it would have might have worked, but I always hear that Cito doesn’t just manage the game but he manages weeks ahead. There is a tough stretch coming up with some rookies pitching and I think he’s trying to minimize the strain on the bullpen by only using 1 reliever yesterday.

If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.

by craig in calgary on May 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions

but....ummmm he didn't use just one reliever yesterday....

I’d like him to manage weeks ahead by protecting pitchers arms by pulling them at the first sign of tiring….There is two sides to everything, saving another arm in the bullpen is risking the arm that’s on the mound if he is tiring. There is a flip wide to the ‘I don’t pinch hit because I like to show confidence in my players’ bit too. Showing confidence in the batter at the moment shows a lack of confidence in the pinch hitter….or in the odd case he does pinch hit, like for Overbay the other day, it underlines that he doesn’t have confidence Overbay. Which must not do much for Lyle.

All this is aside of the fact that Cito is winning and he obviously does so many things well that we can’t even see, so picking on the odd thing that he doesn’t do well seems nitpicking.

by Tom Dakers on May 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions