Jays Waste Great Ricky Romero Start
by Tom Dakers on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 PM EDT
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PrintI wonder how many times a team has been shutout with only striking out twice. We seemed to hit the ball hard, often, but it just didn't work. Hard to lose a 1-zip game but we were hitting the ball, it just was at someone or they made a nice play. Kevin Millwood pitched 7.2, had 1 strikeout, walked none. Ricky Romero went 6.1, allowed 5 hits, 2 walks and struck out 6. Not fair that he took the loss. But then, my favorite line from Princess Bride, lately, is 'life isn't fair, but it's fairer than death.' Jason Frasor pitched a very good 1.2 innings with 3 k's.
We had chances: In the 1st with runners on 1st and 2nd Vernon Wells lined out and Lind flied out. In the 7th Lind and Rolen were on 1st and 2nd Overbay ground out and Millar flied out. In the 8th, with Scoot on second and one out, Hill struck out and Alex Rios ground out. In the 9th with Adam Lind on second, Scott Rolen strike out and Lyle Overbay ground out.
A few 0 fors tonight, Wells (0 for 4 but was robbed a couple fo times), Overbay (0 for 4, but is allowed a night off the way he is hitting), Millar (0 for 3) and Chavez (0 for 2). Really every batter had at least one chance to win or tie the game for us.
Jays of the Day are Romero (.168 WPA), who had his second great start in a row, Lind (.123, is that his 3rd JoD in a row?) and Frasor (.096). Suckage Jays....well half the lineup Overbay (-.216), Wells (-.193), Millar (-.152) and Rios (-.103).
2 of 3 in Texas is really good, but course when you win the first two you want the third. And boy, did I want this one. Oh well.
Tomorrow we start three games in Toronto against the Marlins. We have Doc going on our side (in Doc we trust) and the Fish have Ricky Nolasco (2-6, 8.17). I think someone once said that an ERA over 8 is bad luck. Normally it means bus rides are in your near future.
Fun game thread tonight and I learned that Jessef doesn't like Aerosmith (and obviously I like him even more), tune in tomorrow when we find out if he likes REO Speedwagon.
Oh and thanks all for the kind words. Very much appreciated.
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Will Vernon Wells ever start hitting again? He hasn’t homered in over a month, and only has 7 RBI’s since that homer on May 6th. What’s going on with him?
$126M for this kind of production? He’s still owed $107M over the next 5 seasons, with a no trade clause, right? Come on Vern, start hitting man.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
maybe the team has to get together and agree on changing their approach for games like these. Jays were not interested in small ball early on, and wasted a lot of outs going for big hits (which Millwood took advantage of very nicely). And by the later innings, it was too late. Powering down some of those swings early on and going for singles would’ve done it for us today.
Small ball requires the leadoff hitter to get on so you can use two outs getting him home.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
this isn't meant to be rude
but i think you guys should try out the game threads, they’re a lot of fun, and we get to talk about stuff like that in game situation and in real-time… hopefully we’ll see you guys soon! (i know you’ve been to some, epoxy, but not sure about you kurupt – at least none i have been in myself)
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I'd like to be around on more threads
But I live with my girlfriend and we have an arrangement, I get the big screen TV, and she gets the computer to go on Facebook and the TV in the bedroom. I think its a win-win for both parties.
I do enjoy the threads when I get in them
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I get to threads as much as I can, but when you have twin 11 month olds running around I tend to only get to comment a couple of times….
They have been away this week so I’ve had the house to myself. Nice and Quiet… but I am starting to miss the little troublemakers….
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
I've been there
now mine is 2 and goes to bed around 7:30 and so that’s quite nice
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Vernon Wells isn’t worth a penny of his contract. Imagine how many RBI’s a guy like Hill or Lind would have if they were batting cleanup for the Jay’s. His numbers in the past with RISP might be pretty solid but now that the J’s are finally in contention he decides to choke like a dog. I will just continue to pray every night that they trade him or maybe even release him. But i know that there is not a stupid enough GM out there to take his contract unfortunetly.
yup
he is worth $0.00. He has 0 hits this season with an OPS+ of 0. he has not caught a single ball in the outfield. his 28 RBIs don’t actally exist, they’re just there to fool opposing fans. he purposely goes up to the plate thinking “mwahaha, i have these fans right where i want them!”
you hit the nail on the head
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I agree with you except for one thing.
Not to be nitpicky here, but an OPS of 0 is actually an OPS+ of -100
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Yeah, OPS+ has the worst scaling factor of any baseball stat
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Vernon Wells...
In my point of view, I’d say we trade him along with Jesse Carlson. We have too many pitchers, and less back-ups.
Hmm… I wouldn’t be shocked if Wells was sent to the Orioles or Padres.
Plus…
Trading Wells is worth it, because he’s always grounded into double plays (GIDP)
Come on Wells
Chill or be chilled.
by Toronto Blue Jays on Jun 12, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah thats a great selling point.
Hey Padres. Take our centre fielder and give us some good prospects. His contract is big, he is having an awful year and grounds into double plays.
Hello? Is anyone there? Hello?
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Great plan
Hey, you know what’s always a fantastic idea? Releasing a player and having to pay him anyways!
Nothing breeds success like getting 0 production from 126 million dollars rather than league-average production.
Just for good measure since I like to point out insignificant stuff when someone says something dumb, it is Jays, not Jay’s or J’s.
I’d bitch some more, but it’s far too late/early for me to bother right now.
"Cynicism is almost the same thing as experience. Just assume the worst about people, and you'll usually be right" -Catbert
Wells
If we agree that he can’t be traded because of the contract, and pretend he is not getting all that money, wouldn’t you be satisifed if your center fielder was playing solid defense and stealing bases and doing the little things to help win games, and producing some runs out of the 9 hole?
by Chesapeake Ron on Jun 12, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If he's going to steal bases
he should be batting 7th or so. Give Raul Chavez an RBI chance.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Waste is right. I got that 1-0 feeling in about the 5th inning. I was very anxious as I kept jumping ahead with the PVR, something I don’t normally do. I usually watched every pitch. The rallies often required a Rios or Wells contribution and nothing materialized. Lind is on fire and Hill seems to be back. Unfortunately we couldn’t get any Overbay magic at the end. Really wish Vernon could have had a better last at-bat to at least work a walk out of it. Too bad. He gets on. Maybe steals. Oh well. Hot pitcher on the other side and so we really only had two innings to work with.
by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Jun 12, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
I'm angry like hell for this loss...........
definitely frustrating, we also had plenty of chances, I’m reading. I can’t stand the Yankees but maybe it would have a bit better if Boston had won just 2 out of 3 as the race would have remained even closer. Now we need a big series at home in the next three games, afterwards we go to Philly which is really tough (although the Phillies have a superb road record which is better than their home mark, amazingly). So we need the Phillies to take care of Boston this weekend in Philly and the Mets to take their anger on the Yankees (the Mets just had two very tough home losses to Philly!). It won’t be easy at all to win a series in Philly so we badly need this entire home series first! It’s a chance we can’t miss, given the other two series played elsewhere this weekend. Thoughts??? PS: This loss ruined my busy Friday of work and I was hoping Doc would pitch the day game on Saturday (I was wishing that game could be carried on ESPN America over here!), instead no luck as usual for me. Let’s just hope we get the usual Doc effort. I’m wishing everybody the very best this weekend as I keep dreaming of a new visit to the great city of Toronto for my birthday (and some serious baseball) in mid- October………..
Of course, we had a great pitching effort all around Thursday..........
……..but we had another road blackout on offence, not in the sense that we didn’t put the ball in play…..we did but we hit it at people or people sadly made up for previous errors and stole the game with their defence. Wells isn’t hitting yet, let him hit in a lower spot!!!!!!
You can’t blame the Jays offense and credit the Rangers superb defense at the same time. The Rangers made a couple of amazing plays that absolutely robbed the Jays or some hits or stole some outs.
Had even one of those dropped in for a hit or got through the infield who knows what would have happened.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
That's why
That’s why we need more better offence…
by Toronto Blue Jays on Jun 12, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That just made me twitch a little….
Have you not been watching the games this year? And how the Jays have ranked near the top of the league for offense all year long? Even without our 3/4 hitters doing anything?
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Kevin Millwood
Can anyone out there tell me what exactly what makes this guy any good? He seems to have late 80’s fastball with no movement, and hung almost ever curve ball. At one at-bat it seemed like Hil fouled off 4-5 curves that were up in the zone, then he struck out on a good one. This seems like the type of pitchers that the Jays feast upon. And in the past, they did. Lets just chalk it up to “one of those days”
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
Well Millwood is having “one of those years”. He has been great this year (his contract year) And although usually he does give up a few more walks and hits per game then he did last night, he has been great at working out of the jams and going deep into the games.
Can’t really tell you what he has done to put it together this year, it isn’t like he is throwing any harder. In Fact if anything he has taken something off his pitches.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Changes speeds well, hits his spots
Does walk guys. He hasn’t been around the majors for 13 year for nothing. Last night though, everything that was hit was turned into an out and that’s some what bad luck. He only struck out one guy and yet we didn’t score. Tip your hat, we’ll get him next time.
I don't know, maybe we should be like Mike Wilner and suggest we talk a couple of days off from the
Wells and Rios suck comment. Yes we have said it enough, if I were manager I’d more Wells from the 4 spot, no I wouldn’t have him lead off or hit 8th.
Of course, if I or any one else around here was manager, we’d be in 5th place and the players would have revolted.
Maybe we could change things up for a bit and have 15 fanposts on how the LF/DH (which ever spot isn’t Lind on a given night) sucks. Millar has hit .200 over the last month and .156 over the last two weeks. If we gotta talk the negative let’s at least change it up now and then.
I wonder why Millar is getting all the time in DH
Bautista has been just as good, if not WAY BETTER.
Or this guy:
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Or trade for Nick Johnson now
before the Red Sox realize they do want him after all.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I'd love that.
But then, isn’t it a rule that any team trading with Washington has to include an overrated outfield prospect?
I HATE ROD BARAJAS
WORST C IN THE MLB……………… WE SHOULD JUST RELEASE HIM………….. HE NEVER DRIVES IN RUNS AND HE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…….. RAUL CHAVEZ IS LIKE A MILLION TIMES BETTER IN EVERY STATISTIC………………………………………………………………………..
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by boo15749 on Jun 12, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you say that?
Didn’t we just go through the Zaun experience? (And note that Zaun is still playing. Would you trade Barajas for Zaun? I don’t think so.)
I’d say that Barajas is a slightly better than average catcher and certainly an upgrade over what we had previously.
i'll let boo confirm it
but I’m pretty sure that he was joking.
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
You know what I really like about Rod….. That I am confident that we can actually throw out some baserunners some of the time. With Zauny behind the plate it was open season for basestealers.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
it's true
certainly having Doc, A.J., and McGowan in the rotation didn’t help, but I hated watching guys like Crawford get on and then run at will. Rod does a nice job back there, and of course this year’s pitchers are generally quite a bit better at neutralizing the running game
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Yeah no kidding. The pitchers weren’t helping at all, so I didn’t mean to lump it all on Zauny but man Im just more confident with Barajas behind the dish
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Of course he's kidding...
but I do love that he did it in the style of half the callers to Jay’s Talk
Yeah, I think your are correct...
I’m just enjoying the work that Barajas is doing after a number of years waiting for the next “catcher of the future” to arrive and it not happening. Mostly solid, occasionally spectacular work.
Just to be clear...
I liked Zaun when he was here but he hung on here well past his expiry date. In the end though, he was the main catcher only because the other catchers the Jays had were horrible.
he was like a bag of groceries accidentally taken off the shelf
before their expiration date.
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
ya
i’m actually very happy with barajas, there are not too many scrap-heap catchers (which is kind of what he was but not entirely) who would perform as well as he has, even though i don’t get how he hits a fly ball every single time up… it’s impressive. great pickup. hopefully we can keep him here until Arencibia gets ready
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re. Wells--- lead him off
i hate to repeat myself, but i think the short-term solution is to let him lead off…he is hitting about 300 when leading off an inning…and he has excellent speed this year…
so until he gets his confidence back, let him bat leadoff
yes, that’ll remove scutaro from the number 1 spot—-but in the grand scheme of things, i think it’s worth a shot—-scoot would be an excellent number 2 hitter, and wells has much more speed than him….
as for rios, bat him somewhere around 7th…right now, id put out this lineup (at least until wells and rios start hitting again)
wells
scutaro
lind
hill
overbay
rolen
rios
inglett/delucci against righties
barajas
or put rios 9th
it’s just silly that every team except the jays tinker with their lineup order
I don't mind the idea of moving Wells and Rios around
but it’s worth mentioning that the lineup sure didn’t respond to Gibby’s endless tinkering with the lineup
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Hill 4th? Really? I know the guy is hitting well but I would of thought you would of slotted Lind in there.
And I would actually switch Barajas and Inglett/Delucci
And didn’t Rios start hitting well again recently? He is up to 8 HRs now…
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Yeah
Switch Lind and Hill and you might have something there. I might also put Rolen ahead of Overbay to seperate the lefty’s and Rolens been great with RISP
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he definitely looked to be turning around… unfortunately he seems like he’s regressed (that’s anecdata, feel free to prove me wrong)… certainly it’s encouraging to see that he hasn’t somehow lost all his talent in some sort of Space Jam-esque hostile takeover
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