Jays Lose Game and Halladay

by Tom Dakers on Jun 12, 2009 11:46 PM EDT in Game Recaps Comment 18 comments

Ok, don't jump off a bridge or a building. Yes Roy Halladay left the game with a strained groin. Yes Brandon League was terrible. Ummmmm I thought I had a point there. With Doc, if it is a strained groin he shouldn't miss too much time, one or two starts, I would hope. League, I don't know, he looks unhittable somedays and somedays he is dreadful. I don't know how you guess which is which.

Also on the bad side of the ledger Vernon Wells, Adam Lind and Lyle Overbay all went 0 for 4. Lyle and Vernon looked terrible at the plate, striking out 3 times each, but then they weren't helped out by a plate umpire whose strike zone seemed to change from pitch to pitch.

The good news? Well there was some, Scott Richmond looked good for 3.2 innings. Dirk Hayhurst pitched 1.1 and still hasn't given up a run since being called up. Offensively Aaron Hill and Alex Rios each had a couple of hits.

Anyway Jay of the Day is Richmond (.240 WPA). Honorable mention to Joe Inglett (.097), Hill (.092) and Rios (.083). Suckage Jays League (-.560), Overbay (-.123) and Wells (-.120).

Tomorrow Sean West (1-1, 2.22) a lefty, goes for the Fish, with Casey Janssen hoping to have a start like his last one in Texas. 1:00 Eastern start.

Hopefully we'll hear more of Doc's injury tomorrow and more hopefully we'll find out it isn't all that bad. Please.

I'm away for a few days, but hopefully will be able to look in now and then. Play nice with Hugo and Jessef.

PS: meant to mention this, but my head's in a number of directions, trying to get ready to leave in the morning. People might try to read something into Doc's injury and the 133 pitches he threw 2 starts back. I'm not one of them, I think they are totally unrelated. If it were something in Doc's arm then, maybe you could make a case. Groin injuries happen. A little slip or something, doesn't take much.

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I think the face of Scutaro showed what everyone else was thinking.

When they first congregated on the mound and the first clip of Scoot that you see is just a stunned “OH MY GOD” face. Combined with a “NO WAY” and “PLEASE GOD NO” all in one facial expression.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jun 13, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cito should have left Richmond in

He was originally supposed to start the day before, so he could have pitched the rest of the game if necessary, and given Doc’s situation, this is pretty much his spot in the rotation now. It’s not like he needed to keep him fresh because he’d be coming out of the bullpen again. One hit with two outs and he’s yanked. Why does Cito have so little confidence in him, and so much in guys like Jesse Carlson and Vernon Wells?

by EastCoastJaysFan on Jun 13, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i dunno if that's true

i would imagine coming out of the bullpen, it’s more taxing physically and mentally (since you’re only told you’re going to pitch five minutes beforehand) and he did an excellent job, but i don’t think you can really blame this loss on him. he’d pitched like 4 innings – which is solid, and showed a sign of tiring so he took him out. we don’t know what would have happened if he left him in.

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by boo15749 on Jun 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, we know what happened when he took him out

We lost! How would leaving him in have been worse? And he wasn’t taken out because he was tiring (he only threw 62 pitches), but because a left-hander was at the plate in a one run game. He had as much time as he needed to warm up. What’s the difference between throwing 62 pitches today with an extra day of rest and 100 yesterday if we didn’t have the rainout?

by EastCoastJaysFan on Jun 13, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hind sight's 20/20

But we all knew he wasn’t going to pitch the 8th. League was going to come in then, no matter what. And when Richmond went 3-1 on his last batter in the 7th, I said in the game thread he was got if he walked him. He gave up a single on a grooved fastball and we knew he was gone. Yeah, maybe he could have stayed but the 8th and 9th are going to be for the setup man and the closer, unless the starter is pitching well. It wasn’t a ‘Cito’ move, it was a major league manager move. There isn’t one major league manager that would have played it different. Some would pick other players to be setup men but they would have gone setup/closer.

by Tom Dakers on Jun 13, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Ok, don't jump off a bridge or a building."

I dunno. That’s pretty tempting right now. Heh.

by jlahey on Jun 13, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sucks!

League gave up a single, walk a batter and hit the third, by that time, I don’t see why we don’t call somebody else up from bullpen. Yea, nobody can predict he would gave up a grand slam, but load the bases with no out? The least you could do is throw in another arm, and after gave up a grand slam, he was so darn close of hitting the another batter in the same inning. Sit him down, throw him down to AAA, I don’t know, its just sad to see how one inning lost it all.

In regards to Doc, yea, hopefully he will only miss a start or two, we DO need him bad if we wanna chase the Red Sox and the Yankees

by Outz on Jun 13, 2009 4:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmm sending guys to Triple A after 1 bad appearance?

Ok, fine…..

by Tom Dakers on Jun 13, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doc should have his 11th win or could have been 12th by now

And I am not talkin’ about this game, I am talkin’ about a game earlier in the season when Doc got the jays in the lead then League came in and basically take away his W. I could be wrong, but in my head, there was at least two games where Doc should have ‘won’, but instead received a ‘no decision’. One of them was because of League, and the other was because of Carlson.

by Outz on Jun 14, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

happens to everyone...

Clemens (‘riods and all) only won 13 games in 2005 despite a 1.87 ERA. so… it happens a lot – i wish it didn’t (though only for the Jays)… but oh well.

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by boo15749 on Jun 14, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tough game for the Jays. Just seems that the offence is very inconsistent right now. Hopefully Doc only misses one start at the most. Am I the only one who feels though that Frasor has proven himself enough to be the set up guy for the Jays?? With Carlson and League’s ERA both over 5 its a no brainer in my opinion.

by spartansmike on Jun 13, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

League's last few times in there were good.

Frasor seems to have a hard time gaining Cito’s confidence. Not really sure why but then he was buried in Gibby’s bullpen too.

by Tom Dakers on Jun 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frasor is clearly pitching better this year than in the past. He earned being buried in the bullpen the last couple of years. But why not give him a chance to set up now and then, considering that we don’t have a conistent set up guy.

As far as Carlson, he was used way too much early in season. Don’t know what to do with him.

Fabio Castro? How about somebody that has pitched in the majors recently like Murphy. I’d even give Accardo another opportunity. He has been totally forgotten.

by Chesapeake Ron on Jun 13, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice job for the Jays to lose another game to a team they definitely should be beating. 2 runs off Nolasco? I don’t want to hear anything about “he was great tonight”. The guy came in with an 8.71 era, why does he suddenly pitch great against the Jays? I’m tired of pitchers with horrible numbers suddenly bringing their A games against the Jays, its becoming way too much of a trend and its not a good sign. I had a feeling as soon as League allowed the leadoff double that they were going to be in trouble. The team seems to always find ways to lose at least one game against a team that is entirely beatable. And Wells? My god, I’ve completely lost hope for him. Earlier it was easy enough to say “yeah he’s just in a bit of a funk right now”, but its getting to the point where you have to wonder if he’s ever going to improve. He looked absolutely terrible last night. A chance to cash in another run or two and he strikes out looking on a pitch that my dead grandmother could have hit. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always liked Wells, and I was always one of the ones expecting him to break out, but he just flat out has not looked good at the plate this year, especially with RISP. Its come to the point where I pretty much expect him to do nothing coming up with RISP, and so far he has rarely let me down. So yeah, Yankees and Sox both won, and here’s the Jays floundering against a team like the Marlins to drop farther behind. How they can beat Texas twice but then lose to Florida is just mind boggling.

by Icedragon on Jun 13, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

if you read Jesse's series preview for the Marlins

you saw that Nolasco’s ERA was deceptive – he hasn’t been nearly as bad as the ERA would suggest, so it’s not all that surprising that his luck would begin to turn around. Also, did you watch the game? The strike zone was jumping all over the place, with ridiculous home plate umpiring, and it made it incredibly difficult for the hitters to hit. I wouldn’t read too much into that game, it was a crazy one.

One thing I notice with League is that often it seems like he falls apart when he has to pitch consecutive innings. This game and a couple of his other blowups, I remember him being fine in his first inning and then completely falling apart when he came out for the next one. I don’t have any explanation for that, but would think twice before sending him out for multiple innings again in a close game.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jun 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well yeah, the strike was definitely a weird one. But obviously the Marlins were able to take advantage of it. As for Nolasco, sure his ERA was inflated by two terrible starts, but my point is that the Jays seem to continously get beaten by pitchers with bad numbers coming into the game. Whether or not the numbers are deceptive, the numbers are still bad, and for some reason those pitchers always seem to “turn their luck around” against the Jays.

by Icedragon on Jun 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And speaking of the bullpen…to be honest, I’ve never been much of a League fan. He’s been way too inconsistent up to this point in his career. There’s no denying he has great stuff, but so far he has yet to put up the consistent numbers that he can and should be. He seems to have one good year, then a bad year, then a good year, then another bad year, and so on. Frasor has been pitching great this year, he only had one bad outing really, so I don’t know why Cito doesn’t use him more often. I would have preferred seeing him last night over League. League should be a guy they bring in if they are up by 3 or 4, not with a game tied, because he’s found ways to let the other team score the go ahead run more than once. Last night, and he did it against the Angels and also Cleveland earlier in the year I believe.

by Icedragon on Jun 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs