Room Without a Window: Monday Off-Day Open Thread
Hi everyone - hope you all had a better weekend than the Jays did. After another interleague sweep, this time at home, and this time at the hands of the Florida Marlins, the Jays sit 0-6 in interleague. The "good" news? They'll have a chance to get in the win column on Tuesday against the defending world champions, and a series win there will go a long way toward erasing this bad taste. After the sweep, the Jays are 3 games behind the New York Yankees and the AL wild card. Things could be much worse, but the team needs to start playing better soon. With the wild card in reach, you have to wonder whether the Jays are going to try to make some moves. I can't be the only one who thinks that Kevin Millar and Jose Bautista are playing more than they should be against right handed pitching.
Nowhere is that more evident than in centre field. Vernon Wells is suffering through one of the worst slumps of his career and, as you might imagine (unless you are of the "he got his money and now he is lazy and doesn't care" ilk), he's pretty bummed out about it. With Alex Rios hitting very well recently, I wonder if it isn't time to swap Rios and Wells, give Wells a chance to settle in a bit and watch some other hitters before taking his first at-bat of each game and taking advantage of what is looking like a burgeoning hot streak for Rios. I wouldn't expect it to make a big difference as to when he comes out of his slump, but it can't hurt.
Some of us have been talking about reinforcements from AAA so here's some minor league news: David Dellucci has started playing for AAA Las Vegas, and Scott Campbell has been tearing the cover off the ball in his rehab at Dunedin. Russ Adams has returned as well, and is continuing to hit well and is playing shortstop everyday. David Purcey also had a good start for the 51s, striking out 9 and walking 3 over 7 2/3 innings, giving up just 2 runs and 4 hits and lowering his ERA to a respectable 4.28 (though his K/BB ratio is a different story). And Jeremy Accardo picked up a save and is now sitting with a very nice looking 22/7 K/BB ratio over 24 innings (3.38 ERA) as closer for Las Vegas. Brett Cecil pitches for Vegas today. None of Cecil, Mills, or Purcey have really been consistently good, but I don't think the Jays will necessarily hesitate to go to one or more of them if Richmond, Tallet, and Janssen struggle in the future. That said, Richmond's overall numbers are still solid, Tallet has given the Jays a quality outing more often than not despite yesterday's blowup, and Janssen has 3 good starts to 2 awful ones, not a great ratio but it has been a long time since he's pitched, you can't expect him to just come back and dominate. I think it's worth giving them a bit more time as no one is really knocking the door down. That can change quickly though.
But enough of what I think. What are you all thinking? Ideas for how the team can turn things around? Players you'd be interested in acquiring? Anything about which you would like to talk?
Today's title comes from the great Operation Ivy song (wow, they were amazing).
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Wow Hugo
Great song reference. Operation Ivy is probably my favourite band of all time. I saw Rancid in the early 90’s and eveyone boo’ed them until they would play Op-Ivy songs…which was the closest I ever got to seeing them. I heard rumblings of a reunion to which I have mixed emotions. They wouldn’t be as fast or agressive and it would probably be just for the money (Like Sex Pistols useless reunion) so I think I’d like to see them leave well enough alone and Tim can go back and do shampoo commercials. How punk rock is that?
Now I will go and actually read the post.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha nice!
I also saw Rancid in the 90s and everyone went nuts whenever they played an Op Ivy song. It was unbelievable.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I saw Rancid
AFI opened for them…back when they were a pretty good punk rock band, not emo freakshows.
I miss the good ol’ days. I’m starting to sound like my dad…thats pretty sad.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rancid
I saw them in Memphis opening for Offspring back in 94, i think. I can’t believe that is 15 years ago.
by upstate jay fan on Jun 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know!
I’m so old. My girlfriend saw Rise against and Rancid the other day. I had no idea Rancid was playing and I asked her who opened for Rise Against and she said “Some old guys called Rancid”. I just about flipped at her.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!
Some old guys called Rancid? Seriously? Wow
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
I wouldn’t know who Rancid is…
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by wroth91 on Jun 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are Rise against?
rancid were good, though as a buddy of mine once told me, “tim armstrong should owe royalties to Joe Strummer just for existing.”
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
by jessef on Jun 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Tim Armstrong
That being said I’ll never forgive a founding member of Op Ivy for selling a song for a shampoo commercial.
I saw Rancid on Conan the other day…Tim has shaved the Mohawk and now has a full scalp tattoo…not sure if thats new or not, but it looks painful.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
I like Rancid and OpIvy were awesome. and the clash is my favourite group of all time, if you’re going to try to emulate anyone, at least he picked someone good
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
by jessef on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that tour!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UNITY
As one stand together. Stop this. War.
Where do you stand on Buck Coats? If Delucci’s bat is indeed slow, why not give Buck a chance?
by Lloyd D. Barber on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Coats is likely to be not too far below Dellucci offensively (Looch should get on base more, which is nice) and offers more versatility in terms of speed and defense, so I wouldn’t mind him getting the shot instead. But I don’t really like either one as the lefty 2/3 of a corner outfield platoon.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's worse about this weekend...
Is that the AL is clearly beating the NL in interleague this year despite the Jays going 0-6 and that Tampa Bay has now joined the playoff race.
by siggian on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
forgot to mention about the Jays now being tied with the Rays
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were just not saying it aloud
cuz it hurts so bad
by aagoodfella on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also not to mention
kawakami’s last win was against the blue jays…
by Aquamelli on Jun 15, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jays
Vernon Wells needs an “injury” (i don’t want him actually injured, just a fake one) so that he can be sent to the minors for a “rehab” assignment to figure things out.
As for acquisitions, I don’t think the Jays should really go that route right now, they are still a fringe competitior for a WC birth and there’s really no sense in giving up any assets if you really don’t have a chance. I’d be more intereted in seeing what type of return the Jays could get on players like: Lyle Overbay, Scott Rolen, Marco Scutaro, any of the starters or releivers.
by bunner on Jun 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what would you trade for, though?
i don’t think this group needs to be blown up, but of course it would all depend on what you could get back…
Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog
by boo15749 on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
if the Jays acquire someone, it should be someone who they think will contribute in 2010 as well, not a rent-a-player for a few months. Depending on what you would get back, I wouldn’t have a problem trading anyone you’ve mentioned either. With Rolen, you’d need to figure out who’s playing third next season. With Scoot, there’s even more of a hole if he’s not resigned. I’m all for moving some of our vets, but we’d have to make sure we’re still fielding a competitive team in 2010.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Tablet said during Sunday's broadcast that Gene Tenace was trying to get VW to stand up straighter
It hadn’t occurred to me before that, but it does look like he’s not crouched down as far. Why the hell would you make that kind of adjustment in-season?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's having a sucky season so far...
And they figure that it really can’t make it that much worse, and it could lead to an overall improvement later.
The way I see it, few batters make an intentional adjustment to their swing unless they are really struggling. Most spend their time trying to either maintain their groove or to return to their groove. Right now, VW is so far from a groove, it’s probably better for him to just start a whole new track.
by siggian on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only been exceptionally terrible since his last homer.
The big leagues are no place to teach someone the strike zone, especially not someone who’s already had 8 years of experience with a different strike zone. Didn’t we complain about Denbo trying to turn guys into something they aren’t instead of working with what he had?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vernon's always had a problem with Ks and popups...
Denbo was a disaster because he was a JP man who couldn’t adapt his philosophy to fit more with the batters (so I agree with you). This strikes me as being different. I don’t think they are trying to change who Vernon is as a hitter. I see it more as an attempt to improve his mechanics to give him a better chance of success.
by siggian on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's striking out less and popping up less this year than he did in 2006
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I actually think, if anything, that he’s been overaggressive at the plate and swinging at too many pitcher’s pitches. It seems like if it’s a fastball count, he seems to swing almost every time, even if the ball is placed somewhere he really can’t do anything with it.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's standing taller, down and away is further away than it used to be
and he can’t uncrouch to hit the high fastball.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly possible
to me it seems (and this is pop psychology at perhaps its worst) that he knows he’s slumping and every time to the count goes to 2-0 he subconsciously thinks to himself “this pitch is my chance to get out of this slump with one swing”
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also, if he's seeing the pitches from a different angle
that may have affected his pitch recognition.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that pic of VW
Reminds me of “Arrested Development” when they were sad

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha totally
that was a great scene
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the 2 spot for Wells
Since he has no power this year, but can steal a base, what about switching him and Hill? Then we can leave rios where he is and has been fluorishing, and get wells up in less pressure filled situations .
by upstate jay fan on Jun 15, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2 spot sees the same situations as the 3 spot, only more often.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jun 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he has speed but he isn’t getting base…
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is a great number two hitter
Vernon is much better suited for 5th or 6th in the order.
by T.Haynes on Jun 16, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he is slumping … when (or if) Wells gets his bat back, he definitely belongs back in 3 or 4 … but right now through his 1 month+ slump, he needs to get moved down
by aagoodfella on Jun 16, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was JP heres what I'd do right now:
Call up Buck Coats, send down Inglett.
Try and consider trading Rolen/Overbay whilst theyre hot for some decent prospects or some OF help to replace Wells for the time being
Call up Accardo, send Carlson down.
Call up JPA as the backup catcher, send down Chavez
Send Wells to the minors and pretend he is hurt until he sorts himself out.
Call up Purcey or Cecil, put Tallet or Jannsen in the pen depending on which one performs better in their next start, and send down Richmond.
I know everyone is going to hate on me for being negative here, but at the beginning of the season everyone thought this would happen to the Jays. Our pitching staff was pretty lucky for a while early on, now theyre coming down to earth and reality is starting to set in… We have Doc, a reasonably consistent #2 in Romero, and 3 guys who are in reality bullpen arms who are going to be inconsistent at best for the rest of the way.
Our hitting could come around if Wells and Rios get their groove back, but honestly, Wells just isnt looking like hes in a slump, hes just looking terrible.
I really really hope we arent buyers at the deadline. I dont want to see prospects traded away for a rental player and a slightly better shot at the wild card. Maybe if we went on a hot streak up until the deadline and sorted all of our problems out, then it would be a good idea… but right now the team is trending down not up.
Onions Baby Onions
by ohmybosh on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You aren't giving Tallet much credit
He’s been either great or terrible. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but in 12 starts, he’s had 10 good ones, and 2 freaking horriawful ones. I still think he could be a good #4 or #5 guy. That being said starting day 1 next year I’d like to see 1) Halladay 2) Mcgowan 3) Marcum 4) Cecil 5) Romero.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm definitely not opposed to seeing what's out there for Overbay
but I don’t see how you trade Rolen unless you know who is going to play 3rd base for the Jays next season. They should have a very good team and opening a glaring hole at third when you could have an above-average player there on a 1-year deal (it’s Rolen’s last year) for not unreasonable cost sounds like a bad idea, unless you think Campbell and Bautista could platoon there next season and put up good numbers, which I’m not sure about.
I don’t really like the idea of bringing up Arencibia to backup. He’s not hitting that great as it is and I think he needs some regular at-bats to keep working on his pitch recognition, strike zone judgment, and plate discipline.
And shuffling the rotation like that seems premature. Purcey and Cecil haven’t been doing much in the minors. Certainly they haven’t done much better in the minors than Tallet or Richmond have done in the majors. They could be called up, and I really wouldn’t mind it too much, but I doubt it would make much difference to the major-league team.
5 starts is not enough time to give up on Janssen and make him a bullpen pitcher, so if he’s going to be removed from the rotation, which might not be a bad idea right now, it should be to start at AAA until he has that pinpoint control working again (assuming that ever happens, but if it doesn’t, he won’t be much use in the bullpen either) I do like Richmond as a reliever pretty well. I don’t see much benefit in shuffling things like this every time someone has a bad start or the team loses a few in a row. It would be one thing if Cecil and Purcey were pitching lights out but of course they’re not at the moment. Though that can change in a hurry.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Janseen IS a reliever
His best days as a Jay was as a setup man. Sure he’s only had 5 starts, but IMO, only 1 of them has been a good one. While being successfull 1 out of 5 times will get you a hundred million dollars and a permanant spot in the cleanup spot, it doesn’t make a successful starting pitcher. That came off more smart assed than it was supposed to…
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true
I just don’t think we’ve seen enough to say for sure. Certainly nothing about his repertoire screams bullpen – though you’re right he was effective there, I think that’s more a case of him just having been a good pitcher. I don’t mind removing him from the rotation but I just think it’s too soon – so if he was pulled from the rotation I’d want to see him starting at AAA. He hasn’t pitched competitively in a long time so some rust is expected.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send down Richmond and send either Janssen or Tallet to the pend? So you mean bring up Purcey AND Cecil? Purcey is not the answer to anything he is still walking guys in the minors.
I don’t see us getting much for Overbay or Rolen but hey, why not if you can. Do not trade them for some outfield help.
And you can’t send Wells down without his permission, he is obviously not hurt so they couldn’t do the same thing they did with BJ. They don’t have anyone that they can plug in in the meantime either. If the Jays tried to force Wells to the minors without his permission the Union and other players would be pissed and that would be the worst possible thing we could do to our chances of landing free agents. Forget about JP’s big mouth pissing off the union would be worse.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On happy note….Jay’s don’t lose today!!
by BoSox 2009 on Jun 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shuttup

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no, hold on.
I’m with him here. I don’t have to come home to delete my PVR because I’m depressed about the Jays stinking it up again.
Though, on second thought, I still agree with you. Buck Foston.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by wroth91 on Jun 15, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God One! Foston...LOL
It’s only gonna get worse….Jay’s had a good run playing easy teams…doubt they played 12 games all year vs AL East teams.
by BoSox 2009 on Jun 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a big man to pile on others when they are down.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure which is worse:
1) your lack of any contribution to the site other than mindless trolling; 2) your staggering inability to punctuate properly; or 3) the fact that you are allegedly a grown man, yet act like a 12-year old.
The team on whose bandwagon you pitifully jumped is better than the team that we support. We get it. Thanks for stopping by.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You sir have been rec'd
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
leading off...vernon wells
for the millionth time, i will suggest—— move wells to lead off spot—-he’s hitting 300 leading off innings and is stealing bases this year
scoot to second, everyone else down a spot etc
yes, its a risk, since scoot is doing so well leading off, but overall it may work out—-and we are past the point of not taking chances
by norm depalma on Jun 15, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And for the millionth time, we hear you.
And I still don’t agree. Scoot is doing too well in the leadoff spot, You don’t move the performer on the chance it might allow someone else to do better.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might want to brush up on what are the key expectations from leadoff hitters
by aagoodfella on Jun 15, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells
While Vernon says he’s sad/frustrated, I wish he’d show it occasionally. Maybe if you groundout in the 8th with the tying run on 2nd you should slam your helmet or curse excessively loudly some time. Enough with the casual helmet flips to Murph. Show some anger!
Further, Jamie Campbell has become unwatchable. Has anyone learned anything at all interesting or useful from him this season, other than “(Blue Jays player X) is really deserving of (random accolade)”? He’s like eating white bread without butter, the blandest announcer of all time. Who still makes excuses for the home team like he’s the press secretary (which, in a way, he is. Which is frightening). When you pair him with Tabler they bring the excitement level down to 0.
by ian1432 on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you not watch the games? Wells curses all the time, especially on pop ups.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
everyone who recommended the Hangover, thanks! Mrs. Hugo and I saw it on Saturday and, wow….
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 15, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that wow… a good wow…. or if I ever find any of you Im gonna punch you wow?
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a great wow
you all built it up but we enjoyed it even more than we expected to
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
by hugo on Jun 16, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good good. I know the comedy in it isn’t quite for everyone but I still thought it was a riot.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen it yet, but when I saw the commerical, I thought it would be similar to ‘very bad things’ but I understand ‘very bad things’ is more of a dark humor. Hangover should be a lighter comedy, is it not?
by Outz on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, there are some pretty crude jokes in there. Not exactly ‘Dark’ humour, but I can see how some people could be more offended by this movie then find it funny (note: I said some people not a lot of people)
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stoked - I'm going tomorrow night with my girlfriend....
Speaking of whom… I think I see her plane coming in now, I should probably head to the airport…
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by wroth91 on Jun 16, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay traded - what would you do
What would you do:
Halladay gets traded to the Cubs and plays for them in 2010. In 2010, the young Jays pitchers step up big time, and the bats come alive. Somehow, the Jays sneak into the playoffs. After a hard fought battle, the Jays meet up with the Cubs for Game 7 of the World Series at Rogers Centre. The Jays are down 1-0 in the bottom of the 9th, with the bases loaded and 2 outs. A single wins the game. Roy Halladay is on the mound and has a chance to win it and end the Cubs’ drought.
Who are you rooting for – Jays or Halladay
by REMO on Jun 15, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Doc, I really do, but I root for the name on the front of the Jersey first. Name on the back second.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being said. Doc vs any other team and Im cheering for Doc all the way, But then again I think anyone here will do that just the same.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 15, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, Doc
unless its Johnny Mac batting, in which case im cheering for the Mac-Dog all the way.
Doc deserves a championship all the way… plus it would be amusing to see him win the world series and not crack a smile like its nothing.
Onions Baby Onions
by ohmybosh on Jun 15, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY
You are telling me that the Jays are in the world series and are one hit away and you are cheering for them to lose????
If Doc is facing any other team in the world, I cheer for him, and so would you. TRUST ME, you are not cheering for Doc to beat the jays. Sure he deserves a world series, but so does the other guys!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 16, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right
I’d definitely be mixed about it at least and I certainly wouldn’t be throwing things around the room angry no matter who won.
"The NY Mets are my favorite squadron" -- Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
by jessef on Jun 16, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the personnel on this team...
and besides, only the Nationals are out of it, so who is available?
The line up needs to be blown up and the bullpen shuffled, but we can get back in it.
There has been a lot of discussion about Wells. How your worst hitter can be batting 3rd or 4th is laughable. Enough already. Bat him 9th and call him your pre-lead off hitter to satisfy Norm. Let’s use my church softball team method of line ups. High batting averages or OBP are at the top, low ones at the bottom.
Scutaro, Overbay, Hill, Lind, Rolen, Rios, Barajas, Inglett, Wells.
Inglett hit well last year when he played regularly. Give him some time before sending him back down. The first 5 guys in that line up can rock your world. If the other guys get in the act, we’re back to 6 runs a game.
Downs in the closer, everything else is up for grabs. We don’t have a set up guy, so rotate them. That should include Accardo, Hayhurst, Murphy who ever.
I’m not going to use the P word, but things have to change now, so we can stay in it until we perhaps get a McGowan or Marcum back. Janssen gives up too many hits, so I would consider bringing Cecil back into the rotation. Again, anything goes right now.
by Chesapeake Ron on Jun 15, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Its all good. I agree Inglett needs more time and he will hit better. His only key drawback is that he does not have alot of power, but a near 300 bat in the lineup never hurts.
If Beej continues to improve, I see a nice 1-2 closer situation shaping up where Beej handles the 8th and Downs the 9th. That would be nice.
by aagoodfella on Jun 16, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ ever returns to form that would be simply awesome. I just don’t think it is going to happen unfortunately.
Its now 2 years out from surgery and even had he rushed back he should be worked back into game shape at this point.
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'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cecil did pretty well last night for Vegas
8 innings with 7 Ks and 1 run. He did give up 5 runs, but 3 of them were on a 3-run home run. Still, his overall Vegas numbers aren’t really any better than Janssen’s mlb numbers. When Cecil comes back up, I’d like it to be as a permanent rotation member and while he is getting close, I’m not sure I think he’s quite there yet.
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by hugo on Jun 16, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean 7K’s vs 1 BB…
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'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a random question
when you lose a top guy to free agency, you get a draft pick in return right? We lost AJ so we got a draft pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds in return… But is the draft pick always in that spot or does it depend on the team.
For example, if we lost Halladay in free agency to the nationals (hypothetical situation i know), would we get a top 5 pick or whatever, or would the draft pick always be at the end of the 1st round?
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by ohmybosh on Jun 16, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe the top picks are always protected. I think it is something like the top 15 are protected. Im not sure what happens in that case. Does the pick get deferred? Or does it become a sandwich pick between rounds?
We lost AJ and got a pick in return but it sucked because the Yanks had to give up their first pick for CC to the brewers, then their 2nd pick to the Angels for Teix and we only got their 3rd compensatory pick.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
the top 15 picks are protected, so I think if one of those teams signs your Type A free agent (the highest ranking) you get a supplemental round pick and their second-round pick. With A.J., we got two picks – the supplemental round pick and the Yankees’ third-rounder (for exactly the reason you explained, though I think Teixiera was actually the top ranked player and CC was second, wasn’t he – so the Brewers got even more screwed than us, arguably).
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by hugo on Jun 16, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought CC was, but regardless still works out the same.
Picks are such a crapshoot anyways that it is hard to get really really really worked up about it.
Yes it sucks but I don’t feel as bad as I would in say Hockey or Basketball.
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'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jun 16, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
anecdotally, it seems like the Jays have been as successful with those 2nd-4th round picks as anyone else in baseball, so that’s good news
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by hugo on Jun 16, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overbay...
He’s having a nice season and could bring back some prospects in return, a trade would allow Lind to be groomed as the future 1B and Snider in LF. Possible suitors for Overbay might include:
Texas: uber prospect Chris Davis is STRUGGLING, Lyle would be a good stop-gap for them until Davis or Smoak is ready for full-time duty
NYM: Delgado is out, Overbay could be a nice fit there lots of doubles in the spacious new park
SF: Seems to be in the market for a 1B…Lyle is a 1B…
I probably wouldn’t trade Rolen because like said above there really isn’t a replacement for him internally plus he plays such great D over at the hot corner and his bat is useful though not powerful for a power position.
by bunner on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
I think Overbay has been great this year (For the most part) and I do like the idea of putting Lind at 1st. I guess it all depends on where we are at the trade deadline…if the Jays right the ship and we can make a run at a playoff spot, I wouldn’t pull the trigger. However if things go the way they are, get some prospects for Lyle and get Lind at first base…unfortunately it doens’t look like Snider is coming back till Septemeber though :(
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by craig in calgary on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, I like Overbay, beside, he doesn’t live up to expectation other then the first year when he was here. Now that it seems like he is going to be good again and we wanna trade him away?…. I don’t know….
by Outz on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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