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If You Didn't Like That, You Don't Like Baseball

Blue Jays 8 Phillies 7

That had everything, great pitching, terrible pitching, great defense. terrible defense, homers, more homers, clutch hits, big time unclutch outs and enough stupid manager tricks to make everyone happy.  And, of course, a Jay's win. Wow....if you didn't sweat that out, you shouldn't watch baseball. Let's start with the fangraph:


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As you can see the game went back and forth a lot.

Shall we start with a Cito rant? Bottom of the 8th we is up by 2 and Cito tries to stretch out Brandon League for another inning. Really not a bad idea, he didn't want to have to use Accardo or Ryan and League pitched a great 7th. League got an out, then gave up a homer to make it a one run game, then a ground out, then a double. Cito brought Jason Frasor in and we all thought he'd do a double switch so Frasor could pitch the ninth and get a 4 out save. Raul Chavez made the last out of the top of the 8th and the obvious move was to put him in Chavez' spot and put Rod Barajas in the 9th spot to lead off the bottom of the 9th. But, he didn't. Frasor came in and was put in the 9th spot so he would have to lead off the 9th or be pinch hit for. I really couldn't believe it. It was the obvious move. So Frasor gives up a single to tie the game and then gets out of the inning on Chavez throwing out a runner stealing second. Would Rod have made that throw? We don't know.

Top of the 9th, Rod Barajas pinch hits for Frasor, leaving us with B.J. Ryan and Jeremy Accardo to pitch the rest of the game. And, you know, I've been saying all season that in game moves really likely don't win or lose that many games for you. Barajas hits a home run. Now had they done double switch, Rod would have still come up to bat, but, of course, we can't know if he would have hit a homer after playing the bottom of the 8th. A really bad manager move worked out. It is hard to understand, Cito did the wrong things, and it worked out for him.

Of course, without Frasor in the game, Ryan and Accardo had to save the game. BJ came in to face the lefties Chase Utley who singled and Ryan Howard who struck out. In comes Accardo for his first major league action of the season. First batter, Jason Werth who has been amazing against the Jays this series, flies to shallow center, a sure hit, except Vernon Wells makes an incredible sliding catch. I mean, I don't like Vernon's defense, but he read the ball right off the bat and made a catch that I couldn't believe. Accardo gets John Mayberry, Jr. to pop out to end the game. His first save since last spring and he shouldn't have been in the game except for Cito's dumb move. And it works. Baseball is a strange game.

Other than that, Brad Mills didn't impress and left after 3.2 innings, 6 hits, 4 walks and 4 earned. I really hope the Jays call up someone else before he comes around in the rotation again. Camp got us a needed out but left after that for a pinch hitter. Hayhurst gave up his first run of the season on a homer, in his 1 inning of work but came out for a pinch hitter as well. Jesse Carlson pitched a perfect inning, striking out all three he faced. Then League came in...and we've been thru all of that.

Offensively, everyone had hero and goat moments. We had 16 hits. Chavez, Adam Lind and Barajas homered. Vernon Wells had 3 hits, a big double that scored a run in the second, and a bigger flare single scoring a run in the 8th. He also had a bad pop up with the bases loaded in the 5th and was throw out at the plate in the 8th, he could have made a better slide, but then I didn't see anyone help him on where to slide and it was an amazing throw by Mayberry that got him. And he made that catch.

Lind also had 3 hits and the homer. Marco Scutaro had 2 hits and 3 walks, Rolin had 2 hits, including a double that he really turned on the jets to get, and Chavez had 2 with a homer. Barajas had the big big pinch homer, Overbay had a single and 2 walks. Inglett had a pinch hit. The only 0 for was Hill who had a really rough game, leaving 7 runners on base and striking out 3 times.

Jays of the Day are Barajas (.332 WPA), Scoot (.323), Lind (.241), Accardo (.217), Overbay (.098) and Wells for the great day and the catch. Honorable mention Chavez (homer and 2 caught stealing), Rolin, Inglett and Carlson. Suckage Jays are Mills (-.271) Frasor (-.231), Hill (-.177) and Bautista (-.122). Close to Suckage were Millar, Hayhurst and Rio (though had Vernon scored on his deep fly out he likely wouldn't have been close).

The game was great fun, the game thread was also great fun. And we start 3 games in Washington tomorrow. So life is good.

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Ah crap

If You Didn’t Like That, You Don’t Like Baseball

I love games like that. How come the games I miss are these games?
You guys want to experience somthing funny? Follow a close game only on BBB. Don’t have mlb.com up or anything…its was more stressfull than watching. It will be silent for a minute, then 10 entries pop up all saying either “AWWW SHIT” or “YAAAAAYYYYYYYY”. Following BBB’s thread with BJ pitching caused my blood pressure to go up to about 190/80.

But…a win is a win!

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 18, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop making me cry!!!

It hurts deep down inside where the doctors can’t fix :(

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jun 18, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught the Phillies 9th.

When I saw BJ enter the game, I was scratching my head till I saw it was Utley and Howard. Made sense, but a BJ appearance is never easy on the nerves.

Nice to know the Jays have some decent parts available but I’d rather not have all those injuries!! The injury “gods” have been pretty cruel to the Jays the last few years.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jun 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Off the schnide?

Maybe not for good but nice start. If we can get some pitching help we can stay in this. Hope Halladay gets better soon.

by frodisman on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if Cito even understands the double switch...

…it may seem ridiculous that a pro manager wouldn’t, but on the other hand it’s CIto so it wouldn’t surprise me at all. I almost certain he didn’t use it in Atlanta, and I can’t remember if he did at all last year…the last time before that he would have had to think about it would have been the ‘97 season, the first year of interleague play. You would think Butterfield or somebody would have indicated to him that the double switch was absolutely the right move in that situation considering we only had BJ and Accardo left in the ’pen. Another bizarre Cito incident, but all’s well that ends well.

by snaptoit on Jun 18, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the Cito rant...

about not doing the double switch, so I don’t have to. I support snaptoit in that at least Cito can get a bench coach to whisper these things to him, or at least remind him what he should already know. Oh, and to wake him up.

If Cito is such a great hitting coach, why can’t he teach the players to bunt so we can put more runners in scoring position late in games, as well as squeeze a few of them in when the bases are loaded with no outs.

by Chesapeake Ron on Jun 18, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

well

bunting doesn’t really make much difference one way or another in terms of WPA – some people love it, some people hate it, but it honestly doesn’t really matter. it is nice that he’s reasonably consistent, but that’s just my opinion

Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog

by boo15749 on Jun 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had a ton of guys in scoring position.....

that weren’t the problem today or really ever this season.

by Tom Dakers on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Our team’s batting avg when RISP is terrible (other then Lind), I have seen so many times that not able to bring in the runs cost us the game.

by Outz on Jun 18, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batting with RISP

You can’t teach clutch. Some guys are and some aren’t.

And you’re not going to bunt with the bases loaded and no one out.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

no one is clutch

people just get lucky and fans remember clutch hits. By the way, the Jays as a whole are hitting .278 – our RISP AVG is .269. that’s hardly terrible.

Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog

by boo15749 on Jun 19, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's true

you can’t prove a null set, so no one can prove that it doesn’t exist, but the evidence is overwhelming that clutch hitting is an event, not a skill. Players will hit great in one high-leverage situation (i.e. RISP with two outs) but terrible in another high leverage situation (bases loaded with <2 outs) or hit great in high leverage situations one year and not the next - and it’s all just random variation — tea leaves in which fans search for some meaning that isn’t likely to exist. Good hitters will eventually start hitting with runners on, and bad hitters will eventually start stinking with runners on.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jun 19, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats shmats

There certainly is such thing as clutch hitters. I ask you, who would you rather have up in a situation where you are down by 1 in the bottom of the 9th with runners on 2nd and 3rd. Rolen or Wells? Rios or Hill? These are easy answers because certain people excel in clutch situations that cant be explained by career or even yearly stats. Are Reggie Jackson or David Ortiz better ball players than Alex Rodriguez? No but they have definetly been better players than Arod in game changing situations in the playoffs, which is as clutch as it gets.

So maybe Hugo there are stats that can disprove anything, but baseball is too caught up in stats…there is 45,000 acronyms used on this site that I don’t know or don’t care to know that can validate or discount any argument. The only telling stat to me is wins and loses and all teams need certain players to excel in tough situations for a team to win more times than it loses.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 19, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

who I want up in that situation is whoever is hitting well at the time. Hill is actually a funny example – actually he is OPS-ing less than .700 in “clutch” situations this season, and he made a lot of high-leverage outs yesterday – he must be totally un-clutch.

all teams need certain players to excel in tough situations for a team to win more times than it loses.

yes. I completely agree with that. But the best predictor of whether a player will excel in those situations is whether the player is a good hitter in general and not whether he has some special “clutch” skill. Like any other job, part of what it takes to succeed is succeeding under pressure.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jun 19, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Using Reggie is an good example....

Reggie was famous as Mr. October….but his career average in 11 times in the ALCS was .227 with a big .380 slugging. But yeah he hit .357 in 5 World Series. But wouldn’t you think that the ALCS would be ‘clutch time’ as well. If he had hit better in the ALCS maybe he would have gone to more than 5 World Series.

by Tom Dakers on Jun 19, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

League

He is as inconsistent as Mo’ Pete back in the Raptors day. Okay, i was lucky enough to watch the game yesterday but I missed the game today (stupid afternoon game). But just by reading Recap and BoxScore, I’ll say “only play him for ONE inning”, no more, no less. I think that will work out or so I hope. (yea, guess we do need all the pitching we can with so many injuries)

by Outz on Jun 18, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

that seems to be the case

maybe it’s mental, and maybe he just gets tired, but he does seem to be bad in the second inning

Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog

by boo15749 on Jun 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason League seems to have a trend where he has a good season, then a poor season, then a good season, and so on. Unfortunately last season was a “good season”, so you see where I’m going with that.

by Icedragon on Jun 19, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is also his 4th (sort of)

complete season, and he’s 26. that’s not a trend that is likely to continue (but hopefully it goes to an always-good trend)

Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog

by boo15749 on Jun 19, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nationals beat the Yankees

I love it… we need to beat these guys

by Aquamelli on Jun 18, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

and Boston loses

2-1 in 5 innings? They started the 6th, not sure if they count the lone batter or not

by jlahey on Jun 18, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent!

caught up a game to both of the leaders and (i think) gained a game on the Rays?
not a bad day

Prehistoric Hoops - a neat little Raps blog

by boo15749 on Jun 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Nats had been losing 2-1 going into the top of the 6th and the leadoff batter homered

the game would be suspended—you don’t roll back a lead change.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jun 19, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing game because we won, otherwise it'd have hurt a lot!

Simply crazy!

During the top of the 1st, I got out of the office and started following it on my PDA.

By the very end of the bottom of the 9th, the whole battery of my PDA had been used up!

My good early feelings were right as we went up 3-1 but I sensed we could have done even more.

Then (as my dad and brother were watching Egypt-Italy, glad for Egypt’s win!) we went down 3-5 and I was cursing non-stop!

When we couldn’t cash in on huge chances in the 5th, 6th and 7th I was endlessly angry (kept using un-orthodox language throughout!) but by the same token when we went up 7-5, I felt it wasn’t over yet and infact when the 7-7 tie came around, I started feeling it could slip away maybe by a run as it happened at home with the Angels (6-5), at home with Florida (6-5), at Texas (1-0) and so on.

When I read about Rod’s homer I let out a big scream (imagine how many people I may have woken up at 11 pm!).

By then, after a loss by Italy, I was watching on the dish the Cubs-White Sox game (which was beautiful, I came in with the Cubs down 5-1 and they ended up with a walk-off 6-5 win, glad to see that, I feel sympathetic towards the Cubs!).

Just as the Cubs picked up the win, I had to read on the TV ticker about our win as my PDA’s battery was down to zero! What an evening!

However, I feel we all agree that we can’t win 60% of the remaining games by outscoring or outslugging our opponents by a run every time!

We certainly need better pitching, we were mostly a disappointment with RISP (we stranded 7 on base if I am not wrong between the 5th and the 7th inning!).

Yet, pinch hitting saved us even though as a club we were far below .200 in the PH department coming into Thursday’s game!

I’m even happier than after Tuesday’s long win or Wednesday’s excellent all-around effort because this one was so difficult and such a rollercoaster but this makes baseball the best sport of all!

Right now, I’ll turn my attention to Friday’s game and the Washington series.

I hope we all agree that we have a duty to duplicate the result we achieved in Philly, from a series standpoint. Let’s hope we can do it.

This has been a fantastic series, aside from all the twists and turns on Thursday.

Then again, this team keeps complicating its life and I can’t help by seeing parallels with what keeps happening to me, work-wise for a variety of reasons out of my control……

by Marco1978 on Jun 19, 2009 4:35 AM EDT reply actions  

as my dad and brother were watching Egypt-Italy, glad for Egypt’s win!

oh Marco, Marco, I thought we were friends….

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jun 19, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, we also shattered a big chance in the 8th inning!

I am going to dig up more on what a mess we were able to do Thursday with RISP………..

Can’t happen like that too often, of course!

by Marco1978 on Jun 19, 2009 4:37 AM EDT reply actions  

What the hell?!?!?

I went home last night after work and saw something amazing on the Jays highlights. How did I not hear on here about Scoots steal of second after a walk?!?!? I’ve been watching baseball for a long time and I have never seen that before. I love Scoots baserunning…he does things no one thinks of. His baserunning is the anti-rios.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 19, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

it was amazing

we talked about it quite a bit when it happened, but it was at the very beginning of the game so not everyone was here yet

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

pft – it wasn’t that good. I had an infield double with no one else on base in my softball game on monday. :)

Ok, not exactly comparable. It was a fantastic play – plays like that are what really make baseball special.

by masterkembo on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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