Jays Get Thumped
by Tom Dakers on Jun 27, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
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Yeah it was less than fun and yeah I really don't have much to say about it. I do have to mention Kevin Millar batting cleanup. I never want to see that again. The boy is hitting .213 this month with a .319 slugging average. After a .218 May, I think we can pretty much say that he isn't what we'd like as a major league cleanup hitter. I know, I've talked about him way too much. And he was not bad back in 2006. But his bat has slowed since then. Randy Ruiz or Brian Dopirak couldn't be much worse, could they?
Oh and let's just make something clear, just because I don't agree with Millar as cleanup hitter doesn't mean I don't think Cito wanted to win this game. Managers aways want to win. Sometimes we disagree how things should be done but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to win or that he is a bad manager. Baseball isn't math, there isn't a right answer. End of rant.
Brad Mills started and he wasn't good. He gave up two homers in the first inning, one a 5th deck blast to Jayson Werth (the last 5th deck shot was 2004 by Vernon Wells), who had 2 homers, 4 hits and 3 RBI today. If Werth could play the Jays everyday he'd be a Hall of Famer. After a 4 run 1st, Mills struck out the side in the 2nd, showing why he is a prospect. He struck out 2 more in a scoreless 3rd. Gave up a run on a bloop single and a hard hit double, but got another strike out. He tired in the 5th, giving up a double, a walk and a single before Cito pulled him. He finished with 8 hits, 8 runs and 7 strikeouts in 4 + innings.
The offense did nothing, getting just 5 hits off J.A. Happ in the complete game shutout. 2 of those hits were by John MacDonald, getting a rare start. 0 fors for Scoot, Wells, Millar (with 2 sad looking strikeouts), Rios and Chavez. We never even threatened to score. Jays of the Day? Yeah, right, weren't none. Suckage Jays? Really just Mills at -.327 WPA.
Good News? Rod Barajas isn't going on the DL, at least not today. Tomorrow youngster Jamie Moyer (5-6, 5.97), who the Jays clubbed last week, starts for the Phillies, Brian Tallet (5-4, 4.36) gets the start for the Jays. Let's win the series. Yeah Cito, I know Moyer is a lefty and all but let's not play Millar. Please?
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Mills...
Is clearly not ready for the majors just yet. He’s obviously got some upside to him, but he obviously needs more time. I’m not sure who could take his place in the rotation, but surely there has to be someone else. How big is the upcoming Tampa Bay series looking now? The Jays have a chance to either put some distance between them and the Rays or be looking up from 4th. Hopefully the Braves and Mets and Marlins can all do the Jays a favor today…I didn’t watch the game today but I turned it on in the 5th inning or so and saw a 10-0 Phillies score, so that was all the watching I was going to do. Bad, bad game all around for the team.
not sure who could take his place in the rotation?
How about Doc ? He comes off the DL on Monday, so I heard.
No Jays of the Day?
I feel like giving an honorary JoD or exJoD to Jayson Werth. Too bad he no longer plays for us.
I get your comment about managers always wanting to win,...
but when I saw that line up, and considering who the starting pitcher was, all I could think was that this was a throw away game. I can’t help wondering if the regular starting players felt the same way.
At least Mills won’t be starting again. Better luck next year.
The news about Barajas sounds promising, but I am worried that he will come back too soon. I have first hand experience with hamstring injuries. They are tricky. One day you feel great, and two days later you hurt it again. It is better to take the two weeks and let it heal. This is not an injury that should be day to day.
Yeah I'm not sure about the hamstring thing either...
but will take it for granted they know more than me. I doubt he’ll play tomorrow or Monday. But then, I’m not excited about Kyle Phillips so I don’t mind them taking a day or two to think about it.
Oh yeah, one more thing,
if Overbay sits because Moyer is a lefty, I’ll be ticked off.
by Chesapeake Ron on Jun 27, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And yeah I hate Millar in the cleanup spot but doesn't mean he wanted to lose...
He thinks more of Millar than me, and thinks less of the ’importance of the clean up spot than me.
And I hereby ban you from attending any more games
…
Just kidding
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Yankees 5-0
damn, we HAVE to beat these guys next week…and if doc really does start Monday, then he wil be scheduled for a start against the Yanks…
the thing is
if we stayed in it, it was always going to come down to the games against the division rivals. No way we were running away with the division, and even if we built a small lead, the AL East games would still be must win games.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
part of me is rooting for him
i usually dont, but its 5-0 and the Mets havent been able to hit AJ all game long….so he gets my blessing just this once
I kinda wish we'd been the ones to deal for DeRosa.
Now there’s a guy who can crush lefties, he’s not useless against righties, and he has way better positional flexibility than Millar.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
It doesn't seem like the Cardinals gave up all that much either,
unless the PTBNL turns out to be someone decent.
Although it might be
I doubt they structured it like they did with the Brewers last year, where who got to pick the PTBNL depended on whether they made the playoffs.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I guess our equivalent would be League or Accardo
only problem is that those two are in arbitration years, so we might have had to throw in a better PTBNL or an extra player
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I agree
DeRosa wouldn’t have been a bad player for us to add, as long as we wouldn’t have given up too much. He basically aggregates the skillsets of Bautista and Millar in one player except he is a significantly better hitter than either of them. He would’ve been an immediate and significant upgrade over what we have now, and getting him relatively early in the season like this would have given him the chance to contribute more than the typical trade deadline player.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
we need a lefty bat
or a switch hitter..we have to be the most right-heavy lineup in league history—-serves us well against the lefty rotation of phillies—-not so good against others
interesting take
We are OPSing .811 against lefties and .774 against righties, so there’s some support for your position, but it’s not as drastic as it could be. I agree another lefty bat (essentially to replace what we were hoping to get from Snider) would fit the best, though on just a personal level it feels more frustrating to watch Millar DH and play 1st against lefties.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
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