One We Really Should Have Won
A bad first inning for Tallet put us behind the 8-ball right away. But in Tallet's defense had Chavez thrown out Vladimir Guerrero stealing, like he should only one run would have scored. Or had he thrown out Torii Hunter like could have they would have only scored two runs. Instead they got three. After that Tallet gave up a run in the 4th and one more on a Mike Napoli homer in the 6th.
But we still should have won. The winning run scored when the Angels had runners on the corners with none out after a bunt single and a line single off Brandon League. League got the next batter Aybar to ground into the drawn in infield. Jays turned the double play but Kendrick at third scored. They could have had him if Scutaro had realized he was running and instead of throwing to first to finish the double play he could have gone home and easily got the runner. Overbay realized late that the runner was going home too and was late throwing home, I'm not sure he could have got the runner anyway but could have made it close.
We also could have won if our 2-3 hitters had come up with anything. Hill was 0 for 5 leaving 7 runners on base. He's in an 0 for 21 slide at the moment. And Rios was 0 for 5 with 5 strike outs. He only left 2 on base but still. We had 12 hits and 5 walks on the day. But power was missing again, we only had 4 extra base hits, all doubles and 3 of them by Adam Lind. He was terrific, 5 for 5, unfortunately he never came up with runners on. Overbay was 2 for 5, with 3 RBI and had the other double. Raul Chavez was 2 for 3.
The 7th inning was a sad thing. A walk from Bautista, single from Chavez and walk from Inglett loaded the bases with no outs. But we only scored 1 when Scutaro popped out, Hill ground out, scoring the run and Rios, of course, struck out.
We did better in the 8th when we scored 3 to tied things with a Lind double, Millar single, Overbay double, Bautista walk and Barajas single. But after that we got bad luck when Inglett lined out into the drawn in infield, Scoot hit a sac fly and Hill stuck out. The interesting moment of the innings was Barajas' at bat. With none out and Overbay, the tying run on second and Bautista on first, Barajas was bunting until he got one strike. With Overbay at second and the first and third basemen charging, the bunt would have had to be perfect to move them up. With one strike Rod swung away and loaded the bases. It worked out well, I'm not sure Rod is a good enough bunter to have moved up the runners there, but having the fielders moving made a hit more likely.
Bottom of the 9th it looked like we'd at least tie again when Lind had a 1 out double and Millar walked. We did have an interesting choice here, with Overbay up and a lefty pitching, Cito could have pinch hit with Rolen but choose not to. In his defense, Overbay doubled off a lefty the inning before. This time he struck out. I don't know, I likely wouldn't have pinch hit either, but it's one of those moments. Of course I might have wanted to pinch hit for Bautista who came up after him. Bautista struck out too. Today Bautisa walked twice and the other 3 times up struck out. He's in a terrible slide too, if the pitcher doesn't walk him he doesn't seem have a pray lately.
Jays of the Day today are Lind (.323 WPA), Barajas (.172, just 1 for 1 but a big hit), Overbay (.102) and Chavez (.101). I should take away Chavez' for the crappy throwing in the first inning. Suckage Jays are Hill (-.279 WPA, in just an awful slump), League (-.274, he actually pitched well but the winning run did score), Tallet (-.217), Rios (-.214, he seemed to be swinging the bat well till the last couple of days) and Bautista (-.136). Really just about anyone in the lineup could have won the game with a timely hit, except Lind, who unfortunately following Scoot, Hill and Rios didn't come to bat with anyone on base.
To look at the bright side, the team worked their way back into a game they were down by 4. Bad side is that we have too many guys slumping. Hill hasn't hit since May 30, Rios hasn't hit since his homer Tuesday, Wells .209 the last 12 games, Millar .182 in the last 6 games, Bautista hitting .158 in his last 6 games.
Oh well, tomorrow we start a series with the Royals.
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Thanks a lot
Alex Rios.
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And Adam Lind ...
has got to be in the four spot tomorrow. Right?
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Or in Rios' 3 spot and sit Alexis next to Johnny Mac
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by craig in calgary on Jun 4, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t want to see Vernon batting cleanup.
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You should have just taken out the word "cleanup"
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by craig in calgary on Jun 4, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to sound over negative
But bad teams find ways to lose games they should win….and I don’t know what the answer is.
Starting pitching has been awful for the most part and regards to the hitting, whats the opposite of clutch?
I thought we had turned the corner after taking 2/3 from Boston but I think that speaks more to Boston still spinning their wheels rather than the Jays playing well. Now while the Jays are throwing away these games, the Yankees have found their groove. They better do something, and quick.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 4, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
agree
and thats the difference between us, boston, and new york… those 2 get the clutch hits more times then not and can face adversity… with us, it seems like when we go down early… its like going through hell to get back into the game
Bring Brian Wolfe back!!!! Bahahaha, yes, Craig, its a joke.
okay, 1st of all, cito should start pinch hitting, as much as I like the guy and his very impressive record since he came back to the jays, when is the last time you heard any other manager refuse to pinch hit when the game is on the line? There is a reason why MLB allow pinch hit, use it!
2nd, line up has definately has to shake around a bit. Let Wells lead off, put Lind on clean up and bring Scoot after Rolan and Lyle, I understand Scoot has drew quite a few walks and all, but lead off Wells would most likely helps the team and hey, team first, personal ego second.
Who would you have pinch hit in this game? For Bautista at the end? Who comes in for him? Johnny Mac?
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The only won left on the bench at the end, I think was Rolen.
He could have hit for Overbay but that was about the only move left.
No way do you move Scoot....
guy getting on like him leads off. The rest….well it really doesn’t matter if 6 guys in your lineup aren’t hitting, you can change everything and you aren’t going to score. Pinch hitting? I think we are 0 for the season pinch hitting. So calling for more of it doesn’t much help.
Early this year we never felt like we were out of it. We had a couple come from behind victories.
The teams never are as bad as we think they are when they’re losing.
Im not making excuses, but just pointing out that we have had both situations so far in this season.
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I agree
and I definitely wouldn’t say the SP has been awful – I think we’re just used to spectacular pitching… I was at today’s game… Very tough to lose. But with Rios – terrible game, mind you – but can’t we maybe cheer for him to get out of the slump (which it really seemed like he was doing) and not just boo him when he does something bad? Please?
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oh you are right....
We should have won but every team loses ones like that. Hill is sure to come out of his slump soon. I still think 18 wins this month.
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by craig in calgary on Jun 4, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely lead wells off
let scutaro bat second since he is good with the bat and has little speed
hill third (although id have no problem with rolen there untill hill and rios regain stroke)
lind cleanup
then rolen
overbay
rios
barajas
inglett against righties
turn out the lights
This team is in a free-fall that they won’t recover from unless Cito gets off his ass and starts actually managing for once. Cito did the same crap after 1994… sticking with his veterans (no matter how awful their slump lasts), never changing the batting order (Francona moved Ortiz to sixth), misusing the bullpen (Jason Frasor hasn’t pitched for a week… again) and rarely pinch-hitting in pinch-hitting situations. This is why Cito was fired in the first place. You notice nobody rushed out to hire him either.
I realize this season is a mulligan, as far as the Jay Brass is concerned. That is why they didn’t sign any free-agents. If they finish last, it is what everyone called for in Spring Training. Cito managing style works for the all-star laden WAMCO years but until Wells and Rios start earning their money and they acquire a power-hitting left-handed bat, Cito has to start managing more like this season means something, not just a mere dress rehearsal for 2010.
hey buddy
just remember to tuck and roll on your way down
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band wagon
Never off the Blue Jays Bandwagon. Been a fan since 77’. Just don’t like how Cito manages within the game. He is great before and after … but not during.
can't disagree with you there
but damn… it’s hard to lose.
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If we can sweep the Royals....
then I’ll be okay with todays loss since we are “suppose” to lose tomorrow (at least that was vegas says)
KC has lost 7 in a row, so you gotta think that they are due for a win… hopefully that win comes next tuesday in cleveland
sigh, its frustrating being a Jays fan…. but damn, i love em
Lost 7 in a row so their due?
You could also say they are slumping. Works both ways :P
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DOH! They’re due….
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I'm trying to remeber
There was a Numb3rs episode a while back where Charlie, the genius, explained fairly well why “they’re due” is a very bad bit of reasoning for hoping for a win. I’m going to have to find it again – I think his brother was saying that LA was due for a win/comeback, “just you watch” sorta thing… of course, he didn’t tell his brother that it was yesterday’s game he was watching.
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Im starting to worry
It looks like April was a mirage.
The Jays are finding ways to lose rather than finding ways to win now and its getting bad.
April likely was...
This is the worst blue jay team in three years and we knew it would be a rebuilding year with no free agent pick ups. So buckle up boys and girls, and start getting excited for 2010. I know I am!
Did you read where Cito actually criticized the runner who scored the winning run?
He added that Scioscia probably wondered “what the heck he was doing”. But Scioscia is quoted as saying that the guy “got a good read”, and he obviously was successful.
Can one of the other Blue Jay coaches step up and make some suggestions during the game? Just remember to wake up Cito before you do.
i would have to point the finger at fielding
the primary objective should have been to keep the lead runner from scoring not getting the double play … that never should have happened
should have gone 2nd to home, or straight to 3rd/home or just let the bases fill .. even though it was the top of the inning, you really have to bet the jays will not score in the bottom of the ninth so 1 run is as damaging as 2 or 3
Alex Rios was the true suckage Jay of the day. I don’t give a damn what the numbers say, five big whiffs is just awful, especially when you are hitting in front of a guy that went 5-5. The lineup I want to see tomorrow
Scutaro
Hill
Rolen
Lind
Overbay
Barajas
Rios
Wells
Bautista
by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah but he got an RBI today. Hard to get RBI’s when strikeout five time. Oh wait, there’s always the basesload strikeout passed ball. Do you get an RBI for that?
by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron is a great player
but I think you are letting his record taint your perspective … let’s look at his day
1st inning — grounded out with no one on, no big deal
3rd inning — grounded into inning ending double play with man on 1st and 2nd, killed rally
5th inning — grounded out with man on first, killed mini-rally
7th inning — grounded out to pitcher with bases loaded, RBI
8th inning — struck out, with one on 2nd and one on 3rd, killed potential game winning rally
Hill basically killed 3 rallies today … IMHO, that warrants SoD
anyhow, Hill has done alot for the Jays through this season and I am not complaining, but he needs a break .. he is now 0-18, has not hit in 4.5 games and, IMHO, killed just about every offensive effort the Jays put together today … this is what happens when you never give guys a day off — everybody needs to get rested and Hill is no exception
oh they both earned the award....
Hills number was worse cause he left 7 guys on, while Rios left two on base. Mostly because Hill ended most innings just before Rios could get a chance too. All the right handed bats had a tough day.
Since Rios hit .302 in May with a .509 Slugging average Cito isn’t going to move him down in the order because of a couple of bad days. Managers that do that sort of thing lose the team in a hurry. Guys think if they have an 0 for they’ll lose their jobs. With Gibby last year Lind came up and started 0 for 19 so they sent him back down and we got the fun of watching Wilkerson and Mench. Cito came and got them to bring up Lind and he had a decent season all in all.
You’d really want to move Barajas in front of Rios after Rod had a .304 on base and a .369 slugging in May?
lol .. no … Rios belongs in the heart of the order based on his recent performance, excluding today
however, I think Hill is screaming for a day off and I would get him out of the hear of the order ASAP (i just put up a fanpost showing some AB stats and how “over”-played some of the Jays may be) cheers
Oh. And one more thing. Lind went 5-5 and didn’t even get an RBI. That tells you what Hill and Rios were up to. I wonder how many times a guy has gone 5-5 and not gotten an RBI. Unless your name is Ichiro, it doesn’t happen often I can guarantee.
by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
hmmmm would be an interesting study.....
Rios and Hill had terrible days but then each had been doing great before that so I’d just chalk it up to one of those days. Last week Rios and Wells had 3 hits each but only scored once because Lind had an awful day. It happens
Hill doing great? … he has not hit in 4.5 games … he is in a massive slump .. he needs a break big time
I obviously meant before the slump....
I don’t think anyone figured Hill to be a .350 hitter this season, he’s going to have slumps
The thing Jays pitching has to stop doing is allowing the other team to score runs right away. Tallet has been guilty of that in so many of his starts, just like Janssen yesterday. KC is up next but, as someone pointed out, they are due to snap out of their funk anytime soon, and I just have a bad feeling its going to be against the Jays. Scary thing is, now TB is only 2 games behind the Jays. They can’t afford to be losing games they should be winning. Difference between them and Boston/Yankees is the fact that those two teams have been winning for the most part games they should be.
Pitching woes
The problem with the Jays offensively is Rios and Wells. Your 3-4 hitters have to carry a bulk of the offensive load (Youkilis and Bay in Beantown… Texeira and Rodriquez in NY) and they have hit like crap most of the year. And if they are not hitting for an extended period of time, you move them around. Up, down.. wherever… just get them out of 3-4. Look what Boston did to Ortiz. In fact, except for KC, they are probably the worst 3-4 hitters in the Majors.
the 3-4 hitters
hit third, and fourth respectively once per game plus however many times the 9th hitter makes the final out. it means only that they need to knock in runs in the first inning. after that, it’s everyone els’s job. it’s really not a big deal.
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That’s not the point Purplebutz. The point is that Wells and Rios follow Hill and Scoot and if those are the the guys getting on base most often (as they should be) then Wells and Rios need to drive in those runs. There are fewer RBI opps for the guys lower in your lineup theoretically. It’s simply not true that they only get to drive in runs in the first inning.
More importantly in later innings they’ll come up with one or two out and have to drive in runs or we don’t score. Suppose the 9th hitter makes the first out, Scoot walks and Hill singles. Now it’s 1st and third. Rios strikeouts as he showed he is good at today and then Wells pops out. No RBIs. End of rally. Lind is in the on deck circle.
Now consider.
Johnny Mac fouls out to short right foul area. Scoot walks, Hill hits a single. Rios strikes out. Lind hits a double and Hill scores 2-0 Jays.
by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Jun 5, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You are making an awful lot out of one bad game for Rios....
Yeah he had a bad game but then he was swinging the bat well before that. Five strikeouts in a game isn’t good but if you look at the list of players who have done that you see a lot of great hitters. Players are people, they are going to have bad days.
agreed
5 Ks is horrible … but on the heels of multiple extra base hits, including a couple of taters, over the past few games …. it is really not the basis of legitimate complaint
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yes it is important for your 3-4 hitters to hit because your two top on base guys, namely your 1-2 hitters, need to be driven in by the 3-4. And your 3-4 hitter will bat more times in a game, then 7,8,9… so they can create offense for the lower part of the order. But if 3-4 aren’t hitting, no one is there to drive them in and no one is on base for the bottom of the batting order.
Of course we should have won it!
This one made me so angry! One of the few games I could watch on ESPN America at home and easily, since it started when it was late afternoon (6:37 pm) here in Rome. I missed the awful start as I was still at work. I got home, had dinner and I tuned in (after countless score updates picked up through my PDA in the meantime) with us down 5-4. The tying run was a great pleasure after a forgettable work day but as bad as the 9-loss streak has been, this loss made me just as angry. Vernon could have pinch hit or is he feeling too bad for that? No, I don’t think so. Now, this next series is a must-win one. No question, the maximum attention is required. The other two teams do get away with it……
What kind of team lets a run score in the 8th on an infield ground ball?
You’re taught in little league. Get the out and then make sure the run doesn’t score. I’m so frustrateed with this team especially Wells and Rios. Those two bums must be suffering from some kind of withdrawal or something. Yet again though when I turn on the game against KC I’ll bet my life savings it’ll be Rios third with Wells cleanup. Thanks Cito!
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how was that game
Wells’ fault? seriously, we get you don’t like them. get over it. how about Hill? he was f*ing terrible yesterday.
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Hill is in an 0 for 20 slump, he has been terrible for a few games.
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yup
we all know he’ll sort it out – he’s aaron hill. but i don’t get why no one thinks Rios and Wells will
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we know
we over covered this
it is “halo effect”
if you start the season at 360 and finish at 300, because you started great, everything you do after is seen through rose-tinted glasses … this is called “halo effect”
if you start the season at 240 and finish at 300, because you started bad, if you do anything bad after, you get crapped on
this is why you should always try to make a good first impression in baseball … LOL

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