Interesting Halladay info

by canadiancolts on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT Comment 7 comments

I was going thru some of the other SB nation sites when I came across this at Brew Crew Ball (Brewers Blog).

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/7/21/956525/if-traded-can-halladay-request

Not to get into too many specifics but it looks like if Halladay wants a trade and the scenario doesn't work out and he requests another trade that he would then only be eligible for free agency after 2012. If this is true then why would teams not use this to their advantage when trading for soon to be free agency eligible players, if not then sorry for wasting your time. Hugo maybe you can have a quick peek and provide some lawyer insist or at the very least convert it into lay-mans terms.

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not an expert...

1. he’d still be out of contract after 2010, I think the restriction is to 2012 or the end of the current contract.

2. if/when Doc is dealt, he’ll have to waive his no-trade clause and probably have to waive his rights under XX©. I think it would be a formality.

by ayjackson on Jul 21, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

I am somewhat familiar with this rule

technically I believe it is true. Halladay could request a trade and if not traded, he would become a free agent. Rolen could have done this too after he was traded to us.

But I don’t know of any major player who has ever exercised this right in the free agency era, because if he requests the trade and the team trades him, he is essentially completely screwed — he loses the right to become a free agent for three years as long as the team offers him arbitration after any current deal expires. You would have to really want out of your current situation because you would be leaving an insane amount of money on the table if the team is able to deal you (which surely they would be able to deal Doc).

That’s why there was essentially no chance of Rolen exercising that right, and why there’s almost no chance Doc would exercise it. Because there is no real chance of the right being exercised, it doesn’t really have any significance in terms of negotiations.

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by hugo on Jul 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions

Seems logical

So if I am reading this right, then it would only make sense if you where seriously outperforming your deal and would make more thru arbitration or free agency. It is interesting, lets say Doc is traded and that team fails to make the playoffs and decides to blow things up (salary, older players, etc…) unless they get equal value in return for trading him they more than likely wouldn’t as they would be guareented to get 2 first round picks. He could become a FA and re-sign with Toronto (I know a pipe dream, but a man can dream), or be traded back to Toronto for all but one or two of the prospects from the original trade and we would then retain his rights for 3 years. Essentially taking him into retirement or close to it, with the possibility that that one or two prospects can make a contribution.

by canadiancolts on Jul 21, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions

The ability to demand a trade was taken out of the CBA

so it only applies to players whose current contracts were signed before that CBA, so it’s going to be even less relevant soon.

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by Torgen on Jul 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

To put Doc's greatness into perspective............

………just consider, folks, that (including his last win on Sunday 19 July 2009) Doc ranks first (since 1961) for winning percentage in day games (he owns a 56-21 career mark in those contests for a .721 winning percentage). In second place comes Pedro Martinez (at 74-29 in career day games for a .718 winning percentage), in 3rd place is Whitey Ford at .713 and in 4th place comes Ron Guidry at .711. If I recall the numbers correctly, Guidry was the last lefthanded pitcher in the game to win 30 games in a season and he did (unfortunately for the damn Yankees) during my year of birth, 1978. Isn’t this piece of statistic yet another juicy example of Doc’s place in history? No trade, let’s re-sign him!!!!

by Marco1978 on Jul 22, 2009 5:12 AM EDT reply actions

I'm fascinated by

Kevin Goldstein’s tweet that top arm Jhoulys Chacin was pulled from his start as a precaution for future organizational moves. May be much ado about nothing, but Halladay is a Colorado boy, and for all the talk about Florida … maybe he’s okay with a Colorado move. I don’t know the Rockies system too well off the top. Chacin tops that list, with Friedrich/Esmil Rogers close behind. All three were top 50 arms in BA’s midseason update. There’s some other young arms in the system worth watching, and some AAA arms like Hirsh. Chacin’s good, and he could definitely headline a package.

May be much ado about nothing, or it may be to do with Cliff Lee (or someone else, but if it’s someone else, then shame on O’Dowd … Chacin shouldn’t be moved in a package for anyone, IMO, besides a Halladay or a Lee).

by toonsterwu on Jul 23, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions