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Toronto Blue Jays at New York Yankees, Jul 3, 2009 1:05 PM EDT



Hi everyone and hope you Yankees (not that kind) are enjoying your holiday weekend.  I'm up in NYC for the weekend, and looking forward to the 4-day-game series against New York's Richest (actually not even close, probably). 

In a few moves, David Dellucci has been called up from AAA (and is batting 8th today), while Russ Adams has been sent down.  Vernon Wells is back in the lineup and batting 6th today, while Scott Downs is going to throw a bullpen session and could return in a few days. 

Brian Tallet goes for the Yankees today and looks to extend his improbable run as a starter, while old friend A.J. Burnett, coming off an exceptional start his last time out, throws for the Yankees.  Nothing against A.J., but let's knock him around a bit, eh? 

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Toronto Blue Jays @ New York Yankees

07/03/09 1:05 PM EDT

Toronto Blue Jays New York Yankees
Marco Scutaro - SS Derek Jeter - SS
Aaron Hill - 2B Johnny Damon - LF
Adam Lind - DH Mark Teixeira - 1B
Scott Rolen - 3B Alex Rodriguez - 3B
Lyle Overbay - 1B Robinson Cano - 2B
Vernon Wells - CF Nick Swisher - RF
Alex Rios - RF Hideki Matsui - DH
David Dellucci - LF Francisco Cervelli - C
Raul Chavez - C Brett Gardner - CF


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My only lineup complaint is that if Rios reaches base late in the game

he’ll be unable to steal because they’ll bring in a LOOGY to face Dellucci.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he gets offered another trip to AAA

Although he might be able to refuse it now.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probly time to start looking for a replacement, yes?

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the second inning and the umps have already blown a call?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Opposite field hit for Wells?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhg, but I don't want to think this early

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not with a man on second

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still better than an out

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he gets claimed, the other team doesn't have to give up anything right?

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

If he had a salary they’d have to pay it though

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw you Jeter. Time to remember that you're old and blow a hip.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we should be seeing a lot of those this weekend

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone want to bet that the Jays don't get a single HR this weekend?

Honestly, I can see them either pounding about 4 or 5 a game or… none. So Hot and Cold.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

god I hope so.

I’d be very depressed if they don’t.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Lind, Dellucci, Hill all highly likely to hit

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small mercies

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Are we still talking about this?

Scutaro the super-sub. I think 80 games into the season we’ve gotten past that.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am not sure

i think it is mostly psychological … i mean what is the diff between 3-4-5 anyway except stuff that is going on inside your head ….

but clearly, it is very impactful on Lind

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing that

Cano automatically morph from MVP to LVP when he comes to bat with guys on base.

this season

empty: 347/.380/.541
men on : 259/.294/.427
RISP : 213/.248/.340

umm.. wow.

umm.. wow.

by RollingWave on Jul 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes indeed

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tie game

Attaboy Rios

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and he probably was in a step or two from where he should have started

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

Out by a mile…

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 3, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello!

Tied at one…has it been a good game so far?

by Carm on Jul 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We've wasted some chances

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or at least send Arnsberg

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id like to think

that they can score 2 runs…. with the way things have been going the past week… i dunno :-/

by Aquamelli on Jul 3, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice strikeout

still an awful inning

by Aquamelli on Jul 3, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got in

Was that 2 runs with no hits in the 5th?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You excited for Stampede Tom

Or are you one of the Locals that leaves town for a week?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, stepped away to mow the lawn

and blech … losing ugly

walked in a run and passed ball?

bad battery bad bad

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Yanks bullpen still stink?

AJ’s pitch count is getting up there

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

alright

smash it Aaron … smash it

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Brian, quick inning here

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Only 95 pitches. Following on Gameday…

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the traditional 6-4-3

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Jeter got caught

by elpikiman on Jul 3, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's replacing AJ?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, this would be a great game to win

seems like first half of season we pull this off, 2nd half, not so much

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well really committed now...bought tickets to 3 mariner games....

am going to have to beg on the street corners for money to eat while there

by Tom Dakers on Jul 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't have the stats in front of me

But doesn’t it seem like Lind either goes 3 for 4 or 0 for 5?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know off hand

What the Jays longest streak is?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked him

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolen extends the streak

C’mon Overbay… extra bases to tie it up or better.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hitting the hanging breaking ball would help

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay VW, you have a chance to tie it up with a single

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariano vs 7-8-9 hitters

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Needing 2 now

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if we get someone on base

Vespa has taken Rivera deep in the past

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Delucci walk, Chavez HR?

Wishfull thinking

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm right, I get to write the game wrap up!

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

In true Cito style, they let him hit, he gets on base, and he’s pulled for Johnny Mac. Thats my worst Cito Pet Peeve. Why not just pinch hit for him?

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch, he hits then gets pinch run fot

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or first ever walk

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hot Rod is a more realistic power threat.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When they don't make good contact with the first pitch we complain

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me

i have been preaching for a long time now … i do not give a dam if it is 3 feet over the zone … just swing at the first pitch every dang time … it is a huge problem

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol ...

temporary measure until that problem is fixed because I am sure they are scouting Rios that way because he gets soooooooooo many first pitches that are a hitter’s dream and just stands there and watches them go by … i find it incredible to watch it

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too common Rios at bat

first one is a strike (hittable) – Rios watches it go by

than a ball or something

then a good strike and Rios is way behind

so with two strikes, Rios makes a wild swing at a pitch out of the zone

how many times have we see that this year …. way way way too often

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far this year Rios has hit the 0-1 pitch better than the 0-0 pitch

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slugs .486 on the 0-0

.500 on the 0-1

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many hits on 0-0 versus 0-1?

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, all i m saying is go back and look at the tape and all these amazingly sweet hitter’s pitches that Rios watches go by that he should crush for extra bases …. it is really, imho, unbelievable …. plus when he has to defend the plate with a 2 strike count, he is no Scutaro

this combination is a major source of Rios Ks and a major source of missed extra-base hits in Rios’ game, IMHO

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

Me, if the lead off guy goes after the first pitch in the bottom of the ninth down by more than one, he doesn’t understand the game

by Tom Dakers on Jul 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there anywhere I can get the pitch by pitch data on Rios AB this year

because i would really like to look at those numbers … I m confident it will show he should be swinging (almost blindly) on first pitches

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i could be wroing … buit i really think there is something there in terms of AB strategy that really needs to be fixed

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pitching poker

it is like a poker game

if pitchers know that Rios never swings at pitch #1 and that he is a poor plate defender when behind in the count, than they all follow the same formula … serve up a juicy one on the first pitch, than try to get a good one (well-placed or foul) and then keep it out of the zone and voila, you have a Rios K

same in poker, if folks know you are too tight, they keep raising and take your blinds

so Rios has to counter that strategy by being overly aggressive on the first pitch … this strategy takes the pressure off Rios and than puts it back on the pitchers .. they can no longer get away with a soft first pitch cuz they know Rios will jump on it

same in poker, if folks keep raising you, you have to turn up the aggression and re-raise them or push all-in if they keep raising … this will shift pressure back to them so they will back off

I am not commenting on Rios execution, but what I am saying is that pitchers are kicking Rios’ butt in terms of strategy and he needs to respond aggressively (on 1st pitch) else they will keep picking on him

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he doesn't 'never' swing at strike one.....

leading off the ninth, down by more than a run, almost no major leaguers will swing at strike one. A) no one has seen the pitcher that day, making an out on the first pitch won’t show much. B) they need to see if they can work a walk, their run doesn’t matter it is the guy coming after them that matters.

by Tom Dakers on Jul 4, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

oh well – good to see Wells hitting a tater

by aagoodfella on Jul 3, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a suprising outcome, but another game we could have won

Doc vs. Wang.
Come on guys…

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No jays of the day....

vernon and scoot might get honorable mention

by Tom Dakers on Jul 3, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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