5 Hours to the Deadline
by Tom Dakers on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
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PrintAnd all the same rumors are still hot and heavy.
Roy Halladay? Well, yesterday the rumor was Texas Rangers, but it appears the Rangers would want the Jays to take some of his salary. That won't happen. Dodgers won't trade Clayton Kershaw so it doesn't look like he'll be going there. Yankees are still a possibility but I doubt it some how. Brewers were in the rumors and have prospects we'd like but I think the deadline is too close to get that worked out. The only team that I think still has a chance is the Red Sox if they would give up Clay Buchholz and a top prospect like Lars Anderson and maybe Daniel Bard. I am happy with JP that he hasn't backed down from what he wanted in return for Doc. It would have been easy to accept less just to get a deal done.
Scott Rolen? It seems like the Reds aren't interested anymore. They have dropped out of the race and will likely be wanting to sell off contracts if they do anything.
Lyle Overbay? I think the Jays would trade him if anyone wanted him but I haven't heard that anyone is.
Scott Downs and Jason Frasor? Several teams have been looking at them, but I have a feeling that Downs' little slump has likely put people off.
Any rumors you hear you can share on the thread.
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I heard a rumour
That I was nominated for a subject matter expert at work for something… and now I am going to be tied into a project for the next 5-6 months with people I don’t really like…. I wanna crawl under my desk and cry.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
sometimes it bites
to be good at your job
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Oh oh, I'm sorry..
maybe you could build a little sleeping area under your desk like George Castanza?
Boston
is going to engage JP early to try getting something done before focusing on others like Adrian Gonzalez…
Meaning Doc is atop their list so they may be motivated to get something done…Buchholz/Anderson/Bard would be a pretty good haul
yeah
if Boston’s offer is legitimate (which I’m not sure about, it might be a Santana like situation where they dangle someone and then try to serve up a lesser player), I’m surprised it hasn’t gotten more interest from the Jays
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Buchholz is the key
If he’s not in then there’s no deal then 2 of: Bard, Anderson, Bowden, Reddick, Westmoreland should get a deal done…whether Boston is offering it is one thing but if the Jays don’t accept that’s another.
Gotta love Bard flamethrowing and he looks awesome but beware flamethrowing relievers who are pegged as closers (See League and Zoom Zoom Zumaya). I think Boston will dangle Papelbon in the offseason and move Bard to closer I’ve been told that people have grown tired of him in Boston with his mouthiness and antics.
A package with Buchholz, Anderson, Bowden + one lesser prospects would be hard to turn down.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
It’s no suprise to anyone that JP Riccardi is a complete idiot, however, to ask for a king’s ransom from a division rival is smart. Why would he deal Halladay to the BoSox without weakening them somewhat? Granted, as a Jays fan, I would LOVE to see Halladay dealt to the BoSox for three reasons, none of which makes me a sellout to Toronto. #1 – Halladay deserves a chance to win a championship. With Lee in Philly now, Boston or LA are his best chances. #2 – Our team is terrible and old. Rolen and Overbay are washed up. Granted Rolen is hitting over .300, but where is the power? Your corner infielders should be your big hitters. The two of them combined have less HRs then our 2B Hill, and Scutaro isnt far behind either of them. We need to get some good young position players on this team or we’re going nowhere. #3 – it may be the move that finally gets our clown of a GM fired. He’s made nothing but terrible signings and deals since he got here. BJ Ryan, Wells, Rios, Overbay… good lord… horrible. He needs to go. My hope for Halladay is to go to Boston and win a World Series. It’s not about being a Jays fan. It’s about Doc getting what he deserves. And even as a Jays fan, I’d rather see the BoSox win then the Yankees. The problem is, JP is too stupid to realize his best haul is going to come now. Take Buchholz, Anderson and two AA prospects and move on… as in, on out of town. JP you blow.
Tell us what you really think
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
First time I've seen someone not love Rolen this year.
Rolen is amazing, saying he’s washed up is, well, interesting.
Again, when you start with JP’s done nothing right, well there isn’t much you can go with after that. But I like Scutaro, Rolen, Romero, Lind, Cecil, Rzed, Downs, Frasor, League, Camp, Overbay (especially for what we traded for him), Snider, Hill and likely others who don’t spring to mind. So saying he’s done nothing right is a little short sighted.
no personal insults
attack the argument, not the person – that goes for players and management too
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
There's only 5 full time third basemen in baseball more valuable than Rolen this year
and the only one available this offseason is Chone Figgins, and he’s having a career year in his contract season.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I heard a rumour this morning
Doc to the Yanks for Joba, Hughes, Jesus Montero and Austin Jackson.
Of course, I was the one that started the rumour, pass it on.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Does anyone have Brian Cashmans email address?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
BAM! Heard it here first.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Comments on Halladay (non-)trade
It appears that no deal will get done for Halladay. On the one hand, I think JP is correct to make sure he got good value for Roy, I also think he made one mistake. It seems that with any one trading partner, JP seemed to get focused on a particular player. For example with Philly, it was Drabek. Now Philly made it quite clear, they did not want to part with Drabek, but it seems JP kept pounding on that player. I think a more effective strategy might have been to come to the realization that some players are negotiable and some are not. Instead of trying to move the counterparty on the non-negotiable players, JP should have focused on what was available. Moreover, JP could use respecting non-negotiable players as a concession for which he is entitled to reciprocity in his turn. In short, Philly had alot of other assets available that JP could have accessed for Roy and also received additional consideration for respecting Pilly’s desire to keep Drabek off the table.
Obviously, I was not a fly on the wall in any negotiations, but in reading all these articles and blogs, a recurring common theme is the mention of a non-negotiable player for the counterparty which seems to be the deal-breaker.
Who knows? Maybe it is true, maybe it is not. Maybe a deal gets done, maybe not.
From the beginning
JP said that the deal must WOW them or knock their socks off. I applaud him for sticking to his guns and not backing down. That being said if he is to trade Doc now is the time his value will never be higher than it is right now to another team and the return should be stellar. I think either way most jays fans are going to be happy with any outcome as long as JP sticks to his guns and doesn’t back down.
by canadiancolts on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillies were focused on one man too: Doc
Why can’t JP also focus on someone? He wanted Drabek to be part of the package, and since they were at an impase, he moved on. JP’s impressed me throughout (When he wasn’t talking). I’m glad that he stuck to his guns
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa
Simultaneous gun sticking comments
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Calgary is the centre of the BBB universe.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
DC is definitely a field office
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Let's keep in mind...
That it’s not just JP making this decision sure he’ll get the credit (or blame) but I think that Beeston is the one really calling the shots on this deal.
I think JP had the mentality that he was dealing the best pitcher in the game (or close to) so if he wanted Drabek he wasn’t going to back down – and I can’t blame him. I can’t understand why the Phillies would make him ‘untouchable’ when he’s never thrown a pitch above AA – sure he has talent and upside but it’s 99.8% likely that he will never be as good as Doc is right now.
Can’t fault JP for that – and the off-season might bring out some new players in the Doc sweepstakes so there could still be a good deal to be made then. Once the 2010 season starts though I think that is when the return will be less.
Also
I heard JP wants to trade for my services.
I can’t field the First Base position I strike out alot, but I am great in the clubhouse.
The rumour is Kevin Millar for me straight up!
I'd do it...
You sound like a Millar clone so why not change things up a bit.
Washburn to the Tigers
Mariners get Luke French + a prospect.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
I don't understand why the Mariners were a buy yesterday and a seller today
but then I don’t understand a lot of things that go on
Me either!
You back home? How was the trip?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson has a team option for 2010 they plan to exercise
This conveniently takes them out of the Scutaro market.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
So how about the weather
Toronto “cold” summer, Vancouver hot and humid..like we switched places…
i thought that is interesting…
i wish all the summers were like this..hate the 30+ days
such a let down so far
Not just from a Jays perspective but it’s almost 12;30 and only one trade???
Twins close to getting OCab
3B Prospect Danny Valencia is rumoured in the deal to the A’s…
Should the Jays do Scutaro for Valencia? He seems to have a promising bat at AAA already.
Whatever it costs for Cabrera
it should cost way more for Scutaro.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Halladay wont be going anywhere
It seems Boston is more interested in A-Gonz, and theyre the only people left in the discussion really.
Onions Baby Onions
AGon
Padres probably want as much or more for him then the Jays do for Doc…
fan polling
indicates that BoSox fans consider Halladay to be the key trade target
I like this...
A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”
hmmmmm what you think?
GloBlairHeyman saying Masterson, Buchholz and Lowrie poss for Gonzalez. Jays fans … is that enuff for Doc?
5 minutes ago from TweetDeck
it would have to seriously be considered
I’d try to get another hitting prospect though. It would be great to get a middle-of-the-order potential type bat for Doc, even if it meant only getting one pitcher or no Lowrie
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
interesting to see what they gave up
my guess is something, but not all that much
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
his contract expires EOY …. but i think there is an option on it for 2010, not sure if it is transferable
masterson and hagadone
could still have enough to get Doc too :)
from LA press
Conceivably, the Dodgers have enough minor league pieces to make a trade. Halladay’s value will diminish at each of the Jays next two opportunities to deal the ace: the offseason and the trade deadline of the 2010 season. A package including Dee Gordon, Andrew Lambo, Josh Lindblom and Ethan Martin would certainly force Ricciardi to listen.
http://laist.com/2009/07/31/dodgers_bolster_bullpen_trade_deadl.php
Haha So true
GM J.P. Ricciardi’s almost schizophrenic powers of communication. At least five times daily, Ricciardi reports that "trade talks are dead" only to report an hour later "they are still listening to offers".
They could technically be both.
They can be listening to anyone calling in but that doesn’t mean they are talking back and discussing alternatives.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
And, of course, those 'reports' are not always true.
sometimes people are interpreting for him, not always are they right.
God Bless Twitter and the information age.
If we didn’t have these tools we could never endless debate with each other all the time about things that were most likely not true in the first place.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Not true
We would still talk about our dream trades and debate with each other, except in the days before the internet these things would be settled with a firm punch to the face promptly followed by a wicked set of explitives that would make Mike Tyson blush. Or just yelling at your mom and/or the TV.
by canadiancolts on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
actually often it leaves the planet and then comes back!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Signing Victor M for next year might be a good idea..
Big bat that we need..if i remember hes catcher/1B..would fill a very nice hole
but once again..i guess it comes down to the low budget
I'm sure the Sox will exercise the option
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
39 minutes and counting!
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Jerry Hairston Jr to the NYY
VMart to the Sox
Adam Laroch from the Sox to the Braves.
Wow.. Poor Adam two moves in two weeks.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
So I guess we're looking to contend next year?
Will we have any money to sign some free agents in the offseason? If
My "All about the Bordens, Baby" fanpost says yes
because of the improvement int he exchange rate since last year.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
but will we use it?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
When has Ricciardi not used money he had available to him?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
my question was more whether ownership would make it available to him
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
You think they would actually cut it from $100MM CDN?
They kept it there when the economy was at its worst, but maybe they would have cut it if they’d had fewer commitments.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Just in case you think we did nothing before the trade deadline.
From Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, via Twitter: the Blue Jays acquired Double A pitcher Sean Smith from the Pirates for future considerations.
You were right
PLAYOFFS!!!!!1
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Future considerations = Kevin Millah?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They can consider it now
Bye Millar, hello Snider
Smith Stats this year.
He is 24 years old set to turn 25 in October
4-3
ERA 2.67
25 appearances – 4 starts
1 CG SHO
7 Saves
70.2 innings pitched
26BB
62Ks
.222 opp avg.
0.83 GO/AO
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
SI_JonHeyman: rolen has been traded to the reds. he just has to waive his no trade clause. indy boy cant turn down cincy, can he?
What the?
So we’re going to contend without Rolen? Maybe Halladay offers are really coming in now.
I guess we're going after Beltre or Figgins in the offseason?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Well I guess Encarnacion will be with us for years
Hopefully Butterfield can work some magic.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
are we getting Yonder Alonso???
if so… i dont mind the trade…as long as the Reds are paying his salary and not us
I agree...
but Homer Bailey and EE would be nice
NOOO
I don’t want to trade Rolen! Why the hell would the Reds even want him? They are no where near competing?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
if you get what you think if value...Yeah you trade Doc...
can’t trade someone if you don’t get the value you want back
So what?
I don’t want 60 games of Bau-freaking-teesta at 3rd. I guess it depends on who comes this way. Again, why are the Reds giving a prospect for an aging vet?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
they think they can be competitive next season
and want an aging vet to anchor their infield and lineup. They do have a good young core, just need help offensively.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
...and by that train of thought
We have no interest in being competitive next year. Great.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah sorry
there should be a question mark after “they think they can be competitive next season”
I’m guessing. But let’s see if this is legit and who we get back before judging.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Apparently on mlb.tv
They just said something about the Indians talking to the Jays about our young arms…
WTF???? What the hell is even left on the Indians that would be of value to the Jays?
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
Ugh not Rolen
he is the best player on the team, after Doc
maybe
but, next to Doc, that was the best $11M the jays were spending
I undestand that but you don't trade your performing players
When you plan to contend next season. This is the message they are sending when they don’t trade Doc.
I had three main priorities today.
Work, schoolwork, and deadline following.
Sorry, work. I’ll worry about you on Monday,
I hate myself
for clicking through to Jon Heyman’s twitter page to see if there was an update on the trade. I feel like I need a shower now…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
RT@TOMDAKERS: WAT U TLKIN BOUT TDAKERS?
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
2:56pm: FOX Sports says the Blue Jays will get Edwin Encarnacion and a minor leaguer. Rolen is expected to approve the deal.
according to
this, it is!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
seriously...
we get edwin and yonder alonso and dump $11 mill for 2010… thats a big win for us in my opinion… edwin is slumping this year, but he is capable of putting up nice numbers
meh
it is ok … but edwin’s numbers look terrible
bad luck combined with bad hitting
low BABIP, low line drive rate. Nice walk rate though. Also, terrible on defense, which is too bad.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
The deal awaits only Rolen’s approval, which he is expected to give; he has a full no-trade clause. In return, the Jays will acquire third baseman Edwin Encarnacion and 2008 first-round pick Yonder Alonso, an infielder.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i think Edwin
will be filling Dellucci’s role at the plate
tic tic tic
the window to time stamp the trade tickets is closing
Ed Price:
#Reds source says reports of Encarnacion plus Alonso for Rolen are not accurate. We’ll see…
Bastian:
Due to when he signed, Yonder Alonso can’t be traded until after Aug. 15. BUT, he could be a “player to be named later”
that's right
you can’t be traded for a year until after you sign. I hadn’t realized he hadn’t signed until August. There’s some disagreement about whether you can use the PTBNL to get around that.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
last minute deal?
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/7/31/971104/not-so-fast-on-no-deal-for-halladay
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well
the rolen deal was kind of contingent on moving Doc, was’nt it?
so who knows, maybe Doc thing is true?
Tim Brown: Source close to Halladay: Jays have not come to him to request he waive no-trade rights. Therefore: No trade.
I guess we'll see
Usually a lot of trades come in within this next 1/2 hour to an hour unless I’m wrong
apparently
the Angels are saying they reached some big deal…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
for who damnit
I am making a client wait i need to know!!!!!!!!
by canadiancolts on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
patience is a virtue
you’ll find out in the next 10-20 minutes lol
by torontocoltsfan on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am never doing this again
next year I am going hiking on deadline day
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
It also happens to be my young's birthday so I'm running out in a few for laser tag......
so you’ll have the write up for the big Halladay/Wells/Rios/Millar trade for a bucket of balls
depends on when we get the details
I have to go out and celebrate a jury verdict in a bit. 1 year to the day that the jury came down in our favour…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Imagine how I feel
The Jays are playing about 30 miles from me and I don’t know if I’ll be too sad to go
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
ESPN’s Jayson Stark is reporting on their cable network that it appears a deal is in the works between the Angels and Jays for Halladay with talks centered around pitcher Joe Saunders.
how about Saunders, Wood, and Aybar
would you do it then?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I ask because that's apparently what the Jays were wanting before
I doubt they’ve backed off too much from it, though you never know
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
not now
not with Edwin coming. Saunders just isnt very good imo.
i’d like to see Weaver come back if this is true
Ok I have to leave work....
Ill check here when I get home… there better be good news….
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
just beat me to it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I guess I should have known
it was too good a deal for the Jays
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
mlbtraderumors: RT @matthewpouliot John Fay: The Reds are sending Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart to Toronto for Scott Rolen.
just what we need, more pitchers
can never have enough pitchers but i dunno… we’re pushing the limits
either of ’em anything special or just your average prospect?
neither is in the Reds'
top 10 prospects, according to Baseball America. Thought we’d at least get Todd Frazier if not Alonso
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
they both profile as middle relievers
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Roenicke’s numbers look ok
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Josh-Roenicke.shtml
Stewarts numbers look ok
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Zachary-Stewart.shtml
he looks like a closer maybe
is Wood a good
his numbers look terrible?
his minor league numbers are monster
and he’s only 24
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
maybe
EE goes to the OF or to 1B or to DH…because Wood would likely go to 3B
soooo how many of you have at least 6 or 7 tabs open?
cuz its obvious that we keep looking at the same websites LOL
i've got 5 tabs and MLB network video goin' right now
plus opening other random sites every now and then
JP is an idiot.
I slowly wamred up to the plan that we’ll try to win in 2010. Then we dumped Rolen and I got excited. Maybe this organization will quit fooling itself and realize that it needs to start over. But no. We keep Doc. Probably win 90 games next year. Miss the postseason, again. This is lame.
it is really weird
if our only move is a salary dump of Rolen for an inferior player and a few spare parts, I agree
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
they're both fine
good to have but very unlikely to be impact players
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well...
maybe freeing up all that money will allow us to sign a big bat in the offseason? I mean $4 mill this season and 11 next is a ton of money
Yeah this is crazy
I’m at some stupid “resort” on their slow ass computer trying to find out if Doc got traded.
i agree
those two pitchers might pan out
it is nice to have some young live arms coming in
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Stewart possibly...
… this bullpen is about ready to implode. Yes yes, the numbers look decent. But they’ve pitched more innings this season than one would expect.
they must be good relievers though
to be ranked that high. Minor-league relievers aren’t usually considered prospects.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well guess that's the news....Rolen gone, Doc not...
if you look at Encarnacion last year he was a decent player…..hope he will be next year
he was hurt this year too
he’s done pretty good since he came back… still… dont hit anything to him, please
Heidi Watney just made a cameo on The Score
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
My knowledge of Encarnacion
…is that he made WebGems quite a bit, struck out a lot, and had some power. Haven’t looked at his stats or anything yet.
Yeah why the heck is he still on the team? Character?
Has he ever driven in a run from 3rd with less than 2 outs?
he traded avg for power in 2008
.289 / .438 (avg / slg) 2007
.251 / .466 (avg / slg) 2008
his defense is pretty poor, actually
lots of errors, bad range. Not a huge strikeout guy at all, though he has been both striking out and walking more this season. He was a solid hitter last year. Let’s face it, the real reason the Jays traded for him is that he’s cheap
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well i being on web gems doesn't make you awesome
sometimes just lucky. Like I said, it was all from memory. I don’t pay too much attention to the National League in general. I’m a bit relieved about Doc.
Web Gems is successfully making a play that's difficult for you
not difficult in general.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
nah
Edwin is the key to the deal. He is under team control for 3 years, while Rolen would have been gone after next year and the Jays don’t really have anyone ready to take his place. Encarnacion won’t earn much next year after a subpar season this year.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
not to say that the pitchers won't be useful
they should. They fill a need we have for good live young bullpen arms
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Arb eligible guys tend to get raises no matter what
see also: Reed Johnson, missing half a season with a herniated disc and getting a raise.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
he'll get a raise
but will make a heck of a lot less than Rolen will
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
last nights numbers
Snider went 2 for 3 with a double, triple, RBI and a walk… Ive noticed that Snider has been taking more walks lately
we can compete next year… its all on this guys shoulders (in my opinion)
yep
Dopirak and Snider give confidence for future
Jays could be just a couple of years out
I hope we bring him up now and let him play everyday
We’ve got nothing to lose
mixed feelings
before they sent him down … his confidence was really shaken … i would like to see him get his strut back first ….he is just starting to hit again
he needs the at-bats though
would rather have him take a few lumps this September than next April. I say we bring him up in another week or two at the latest.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
what was Sniders biggest weakness when he was up here?
off speed pitches? cuz i remember he was crushing fast balls…
bad approach
was swinging at way too many bad pitches
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
barf
Encarnacion sounds like another Bautista at best. I know he hit 26 HR last year, but that was with a .250 Avg, and 26 HR in the NL is 20 at most in the AL East isn’t it?
I hope those relievers pan out. Maybe due to higher salaries to Fraser, Camp, Tallett next year via arbitration, these guys come in as cheaper alternatives.
I think we’ll see more cost cutting before 2010.
he sounds like a bit more power than Bautista
but less glove than Bautista
bottom line for the Jays is that it is a huge trade down at 3B
and for a team missing bats in the order, this is not good news
i agree... however
i think we got lucked out with rolen…his 13th year in the league and hes batting .320… hes only finished the season batting over .300 once in his career… i agree with tom on this one, his value will never be higher…. hes not an everyday 3rd basemen and id hate to see him get injured and pay him 11 million
obviously we’ll miss his glove more than anything…
I love Rolen 2/3 of the time
The rest of the time he looks way too much like Bautista.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I'd prefer Bautista at 3B, to be honest
You’re right. A bit more power, but not much
Encarnacion 2008 (his 26 HR season): 1 HR every 20 AB
Bautista 2008: 1 HR every 25 AB
Taking defense into consideration, I like Bautista better, but they’re both pretty bad. Maybe Campbell gets a shot now?
we put up a new post to discuss the Rolen trade
just to let folks know
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
living in ohio...
im hearing alot of pissed off indians fans… just sitting here in the office and some of my co-workers are in awe at what the indians did these past few days…. its funny until they saw me sitting on pins and needles about halladay
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