Trade Deadline Thoughts
Several thousand words were wasted on a Roy Halladay trade that never happened and that is on this site alone. I am glad that JP stuck to his word and didn't take less than what he felt Doc was worth.
The Blue Jays and Rangers were talking last night when they found that Halladay wouldn't approve a deal to the Rangers, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. The sides weren't close to a deal when they found out.
That's interesting to me, if Doc really wanted out I would have thought he'd take a trade to Texas.
Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail reports that Ricciardi was "never moved by a club" to trade Halladay, though two or three teams were serious about acquiring him and ten inquired.
I suppose those 2 or 3 teams would be the Phillies, Red Sox and Dodgers, maybe?
Scott Rolen was the one Jay to get traded. I really am surprised, I figured Jason Frasor and Scott Downs were the most likely to go, since I didn't figure their value to ever be higher. We are getting Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart for Rolen. Encarnacion was hurt at the start of the season and wasn't hitting well but for the last 23 games he is hitting .267/.368/507. He had 26 homers last year and is just 26 now so the next couple of years should be his peak seasons.
Roenicke is 36 26 has a 2.70 ERA in 11 appearances this season with the Reds. and is striking out 9.5 batters per 9 innings while only walking 2.6. It looks like Jeremy Accardo might be going back to Triple-A to make room for Roenicke.
Stewart is 22, has pitched at A, AA and now AAA this season. He was a starter in A and AA, had a 2.13 ERA in 7 starts at A-Ball and 1.46 ERA in 7 starts in Double-A. He has been a reliever in Triple A with a 0.73 ERA in 9 games. He is striking out 7.8 per 9 this year in the three levels. It looks to be like he'd be a starting prospect, I would guess he has been moved to the pen to keep his innings down, he has pitched 91 innings so far this year after about 65 last year. He does look like he could be a good one.
Minor league ball had Roenicke and Stewart as the Red's 6th and 7th best prospects before this season:
6) Josh Roenicke, RHP, Grade B-: Very impressive arm, could be a closer perhaps.
7) Zach Stewart, RHP, Grade B-: Strong arm, command issues, could move fast in the pen. Maybe a C+?
I guess this is a trade that we won't know how it turns out for a few years. I kind of expected more for Rolen but if Stewart makes the team as a starter then it will work out for us.
Jordan Bastian Twittered this:
I've been told that Rolen asked out of Toronto for family reasons
If that's true we it isn't a bad trade.
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at first it seemed like a salary dump
but the more I read about Stewart and think about the deal, the more enthusiastic I am about it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Yeah, I think Stewart could be good
and Encarnacion seems to be hitting after starting the season hurt. He isn’t Rolen but then Rolen wasn’t Rolen last year and he isn’t young anymore.
YAY
I’m so glad that the American media is now calling for JP’s head! I feel confident he won’t be around much longer!! :D :D
how could you want JP's head after today?
I know the JP has never done anything right brigade wouldn’t be happy with anything, but still, this doesn’t look like a bad deal.
I guess there are writers that would be sad Doc wasn’t traded when they said time and time again he would be.
right
the writers have to rip JP now for not trading Doc, since they continued to insist that Doc would obviously be traded (remember Ken Rosenthal’s ridiculousness at the all-star game) even when it made no sense.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Lead page on yahoo sports..
I have no problem with this move and I actually really like EE. But I just am so tired of JP and what he has done that I get excited with talk of his firing.
Hire Paul DePodesta!!
The Article
Just read it and it is actually pretty decent.
unfortunately
I don’t think it’s particularly likely that DePodesta would take the job
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
His wife's family is in the SD area, right?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I am not surprised that Roy would block a trade to Texas. Personally, I always wondered what they were thinking, as it was my understanding all along that he was only interested in contenders. The same logic applies to Cubs and Brewers. I mean, Roy would not approve a trade to either.
Only Boston, Philly, Dodgers, Yanks ….. and only maybe Rays and Angels were legitimate destinations among those contending for Roy’s services … IMHO.
i hate to see rolen gone
without Doc being moved, but if he wanted out then i cant complain as his value is probably as high as it will ever be.
Its a breath of fresh air to hear of a player wanting out and instead of mouthing off about the organization or moping around on the field he asked politely behind closed doors and went about his business playing stellar baseball. Dont ask anyone in Philly but Scott seems nothing less than a class act and its a shame to see him leave.
Class act
Got that right, if he really did get moved because of family issues, I hope those get cleared up. He never let on about any family issues on the field.
by WD on Aug 1, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Whilst he always performed his role in a truly professional manner, Rolen never seemed to “bond” with the team IMHO (based on observations at the game). I am guessing, but he is late in his career and the Jays are struggling so he is probably got one foot out the door (in terms of retirement) and is looking for a gig with as little overhead as possible — ie: as close to home as possible. If he was playing for Marlins or Padres, my guess is he would be looking for a spot closer to home as well.
Even though Doc’s probably the best pitcher in baseball this was the best time to trade him with one year left on a reasonable contract for a superstar. I just think JP was too overconfident that he would get all the prospects he demanded from some team and once Philly took Lee there weren’t many teams with the prospects or willingness to get Halladay.
We’ve got great young pitchers coming up and playing now like Romero, Cecil and a few others as well as McGowan, Marcum and Litsch coming back next year. Signing one veteran pitcher in the off season adding to the others and our pitching is in good shape for next year without Halladay. Trading Halladay would not only bring in a few more pitching prospects but they were focussing on getting a position player as well like with Philly and there top outfield prospect. Next year, consistent hitting from others than Hill, Lind and Scutaro (Rolen now gone) is needed to compete every day. Both Wells and Rios are no where near their contract values in performance.
We’ll see what happens in the offseason some believe Halladay will go with more teams interested hopefully get some position prospects

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