I can’t seem to find my way out of your hunting ground: Jays lose never ending game.
Ok, all I really want to say about that game is: 18 runs were scored and our DH didn't come close to a hit. Still 0 for as a Jay. You know, JP, let's release him now. I'd much rather watch Ruiz or Dopirak even if they don't hit. At least they would be interesting to watch. Heck you could release David Dellucci and Kevin Millar at the same time and bring them both up. What can it hurt. They can't be worse than 0 for. Dellucci hasn't been good since 2006.
Other than that? Brett Cecil was terrible. B.J. Ryan was worse. He was lucky that Chavez threw out Cano stealing to get him one of the two outs he was on the field for. Add in that anything hit in the air to right seems to go out in that stadium and it wasn't a fun day offensively. Jesse Carlson, Brandon League and Jason Frasor each pitched a good inning.
Joba Chamerlain wasn't any better. And he is a human rain delay. I really do wish umpires would enforce the rules about how long a pitch has to throw the ball, we got 8 runs off him in 3.2 extremely slow innings. But then we couldn't score against Jonathan Albaladejo and Alfredo Aceves in 5.1 innings.
Offensively we got hits from everyone in the lineup except for the DH who shall remain nameless (and if JP has any brains soon jobless). Aarron Hill, Adam Lind, Alex Rios and Raul Chavez each had two hits. Hill and Lind had homers and Chavez had two doubles. And we did come back from down 4-0 to take a 8-4 lead.
Unfortunately, with the extra inning game yesterday game yesterday, Cito didn't have a full bullpen today and had to try to get inning out of Cecil. And in Cecil's defense, the home run he gave up was one of those Yankee Stadium wind blown ones. And he had to try to get some outs from BJ, which was a disaster. Even Dirk Hayhurst couldn't get us quality outs.
Jays of the Day are Alex Rios (.180 WPA), Marco Scutaro (.136), Aaron Hill (.109) and Lind (.099), I'm going to give one to Chavez as well, for the 2 doubles, the caught stealing and tagging out Mark Teixeira (with an empty glove, the ball in his other hand). Suckage Jays are Cecil (-.425), Ryan (.289), Dellucci (-.201) and Wells (-.099). Scott Rolen came close to suckage numbers despite getting a hit to extend his hitting streak to 22.
Tomorrow at 1:00 Eastern we have Ricky Romero trying to end the slide against Andy Pettitte. Hopefully it won't be a never inning game like today's. I'm sure this is what hell will be like for me, a never ending game with Rance Mulliniks doing color commentary and BJ Ryan pitching.
Thanks to Torgen for the post title from Tori Amos song 'I Can't See New York'.
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I couldn't watch this game
since Rance Mulliniks was doing commentary.
Anyway, it looked like Cecil lost confidence in his pitching ability. I have a feeling that game against the Red Sox really had an effect on him (CITO!).
Good news (To say the least): Roy Halladay and Aaron Hill are going to St. Louis this summer! Vote for Adam Lind as the Final Vote!
by Frag on Jul 5, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could be worse
you could have to listen to Michael Kay on the YES network.
by harrison1 on Jul 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree, I like Pat Tabler a lot more than Rance Mulliniks. There was one game I was watching not long ago, I forget who it was playing…but the commentary was just absolutely god-awful, especially from the color guy. I swear he sounded like that guy who used to do the announcing on The Price Is Right.
by Icedragon on Jul 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Cecil two worse starts have come against Boston and NY. Maybe he had some nerve issues facing the two big teams?
Or Maybe they just pounded him around because he is a rookie and he is still feeling his way through the majors.
Regardless, He has still had far more good starts then bad. So I’m not really worried.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jul 5, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry forgot the one against Cincy.
'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.
by JohnnyG on Jul 5, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Score 8 runs in a game...
And you should damn well win it. No excuses. Jays pitching issued 8 BBs, Yankees 1. That’s probably the big difference maker right there. All those extra opportunities to score, and the Yankees cashed 4 times from my count. You can’t give a team that many extra chances, especially a team like the Yankees and on a day when the ball is carrying out of the park. Yes, Cecil was terrible again, and so was Ryan. 7 walks between the two of them. That’s been part of Ryan’s problem this year, way too many walks. More missed opportunities by Jays again (namely Rios on 3rd and 1 out). And I have to agree, Dellucci has got to go. He has been terribly unimpressive thus far to say the least. Anyway, its frustrating to see the Jays batting do well for once and score a bunch of runs, but then their pitching lets them down again. How often has that happened this season? It really makes you wonder how much of a different game today may have been if Richmond had been pitching. My guess is, Yankees wouldn’t have scored 10. And what the hell’s with that new Yankees stadium? Balls leave the park that don’t even look like they are hit that well, a la Damon’s blast yesterday that tied the game. That place is a joke. Unfortunately the Yankees are able to ride it and take advantage a lot more often than other teams. Romero better give a better performance tomorrow than Cecil did today or we’re looking at a 4 game sweep. It’s a shame that the Jays just can’t seem to click on all cylinders lately (ie. when hitting does good, pitching doesn’t and vice versa). They better figure it out very soon otherwise they’re going to be way out of it before long, if they aren’t already.
by Icedragon on Jul 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm voting for Delucci for the All-Star game...
and hoping karma takes care of the rest.
Sheesh!! 8 runs in four innings and one more hit the rest of the way? The entire clubhouse should be embarrassed.
I don’t know if anyone has made this demand before, but I think we need to release BJ Ryan. I really believe he is finished. It is not as much velocity as command. If you cannot throw strikes, it doesn’t matter how hard you throw, major leaguers are not scared of you. Just wait until you have a 2-0 or 3-1 count and sit fastball. What do the rest of you think about this one?
by Chesapeake Ron on Jul 5, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Delucci for the AS game? Totally, maybe we can vote him in instead of Lind. As for Ryan, I agree. As I said in my above post earlier, he is issuing way too many walks. In fact, surprise surprise, thats how they got the go ahead runs, because he walked 2 batters in that inning. He started off good against the first guy he faced, I forget who it was, so I thought ‘maybe he’ll be half decent today’, but then I saw him walk a batter, then allow a HR, then walk another batter…yeah, he’s gotta go.
by Icedragon on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
er thats how the Yankees got the go ahead runs, that is
by Icedragon on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen hitting streak
Just a gut feeling, but I think Rolen’s hitting streak could turn into something special. His ability to see pitches and his line drive rates make him a prime candidate for this kind of streak, in my opinion. Let’s hope the offense can do well in the coming weeks. The more runs they score, the more AB’s he’ll get.
by REMO on Jul 5, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t 22 games special already? Not sure how much more special it could turn into, unless he ends up hitting .400 on the year or wins the batting title, lol. As for the offense, they need for it to do well when the pitching does well too. It’s not going to matter how much your offense scores if your pitching can’t keep the other team from scoring more. Sigh.
by Icedragon on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
special means over 40 games. That's when all of MLB will start watching him on a daily basis.
by REMO on Jul 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close to 30, people will start paying attention
At 40, they start showing his every at bat on every baseball telecast.
At 50, they will show every bluejay game on espn
At 60, over 30K will show up at Rogers Centre.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 6, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cecil's just going to walk the planet
we might as well call up Purcey.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Jul 5, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering that about Purcey and Mills...
Are we so down on Purcey that we’d rather have Mills up? Haven’t we proved that Mills isn’t quite ready for prime time?
by Tom Dakers on Jul 5, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I’d almost forgotten about Purcey.
He can’t do much worse than the other guys’ weak starts and he has shown potential to be as good as anyone on the staff…
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by wroth91 on Jul 6, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit I’d forgotten about Purcey as well. I think I would rather see him up than Mills again. Although perhaps since Mills isn’t facing the Phillies again he might actually do well? Who knows…I suppose we’ll find out soon. But regardless, the Jays have got to get it together soon and start beating AL East opponents or else their time is going to be up very quickly. Still about half the season to go so anything can happen, but its gotta happen soon.
by Icedragon on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Purcey too...
I’ll admit I like him, he has the ability to miss bats and we don’t have many guys like that. Guys that can strike out a lot of players and walk a lot often grow to be good and sometimes great. I get this feeling the Jays are trying to teach him a lesson of some sort. Or that the next time they call him up, they want to be sure they won’t be sending him down again.
by Tom Dakers on Jul 6, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dump BJ now
Time for JP to do what he rarely seems grasp and that’s make the obvious and smart move. Release BJ Ryan as soon as possible. He is terrible and takes up a valuable bull-pen spot. Then JP can call up Fabio Castro and also dump Dellucci and call up Ruiz until Snider is ready.
by purplebutz on Jul 6, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How much money will the Jays still has to pay if they were to dump BJ? he was actually not as bad for the past month before this game, isn’t it? But then again, whenever he walk a batter, he is gonna give up runs….
by Outz on Jul 6, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fabio? when he's throwing poorly in Triple A?
In his last 5 starts Fabio has a 7.36 ERA, Jay aren’t calling him up now, unless they need someone to throw BP. Releasing Ryan is pretty tough when he is owed $15 million still. You and I have no idea if he might become the pitcher he used to be next season. then you have a new reason to hate JP. Add in that we’ve called up everyone who even remotely looks like a major leaguer from Vegas at some point this year and most of come up wanting….it’s not like there we have Joe Nathan down in Vegas.
by Tom Dakers on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please
So you’d rather keep running BJ out there and get hammered. And the way Cito manages, like Sunday, bring Ryan into the game with a one-run lead and end up costing the Jays’ the win. Sometimes you have to cut bait and take your losses. And Fabio was pitching well until lately but the Jays’ brass takes forever to call up guys when they are doing well (eg: Accardo). Ok smart-guy, let’s call-up, Marc Rzepczynski, he has great numbers since being promoted, or TJ Beam.
And the point isn’t who you call up, it is getting rid of Ryan. And no… I won’t be mad at JP if Ryan turns things around. You and I know he won’t because he will never regain his mid-90’s fastball. At best, he might, if he miraculously discovers pinpoint control, become a middle-inning lefty on lefty specialist.
And who cares about the money. It is gone either way, isn’t it?
by purplebutz on Jul 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it likely doesn't matter to you, but you'll make more friends here if you get rid of saying things like 'smart guy'
but we are trying to make a community. Anyway yes I’m smart enough to know that we aren’t bringing Fabio up and I’m glad the Jays were smart enough not to call him up when clearly he was pitching over his head. Would it have been good to call him up just before he reverted?
And I know that Ryan’s here to stay for now. And yes when the bullpen has been beat up for a couple of days in a row, Ryan will be used in spots we won’t like. And he has had some decent appearances lately. Or course a few days ago people were calling for Carlson to be sent down or released.
We wouldn’t bring Rep up for Ryan, Rep’s going to be a starter. He won’t come up if Ryan was to leave.
by Tom Dakers on Jul 6, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Dellucci
Has been terrible. I know its been said many times before, but I don’t think it can be said enough. Why no playing time for Bautista? I know he’s not exactly Ted Williams, but hes been better than Millar and Deldouchie. Isn’t Baustista’s OBS still around .400?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bautista hasn't hit righties at all....
half the time he stands there and hopes they get to 4 balls before 3 strikes.
by Tom Dakers on Jul 6, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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