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When all around him people are losing their heads, Richard Griffin makes sense.

We are often pretty critical of Richard Griffin, but this morning, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing their's, you are Richard Griffin. He says much what we've been saying for months now.

JP....told the CBS website he is looking to improve the Jays and would, of course, be obligated to listen to any offer that would make the Jays better.

Strange thing for a GM to say, isn't it. Would you want your GM to say we don't want to make this team better?

I love how he puts it here: 

Does that mean he is looking to trade Halladay? No. Would he listen to offers? Yes.

You don't hang up on your peers.

It's no big deal.

Makes sense to me. If I'm a GM, I want to keep good personal relations with the other GMs, so I listen to what they want to tell me. It is part of the job.

The truth is that the fate of Halladay as a Blue Jay is not in Ricciardi's hands. 

Right again, someone of Doc's stature, with a team, couldn't be traded just by the GM, team ownership would have to be involved.

Halladay's contract expires at the end of 2010, with $15.75 million (all figures U.S.) remaining.

Ricciardi's contract expires at the end of 2010, with about $2 million remaining.

Both sides long ago agreed that any negotiations for a Halladay extension would not begin until the end of the current season.

Right again.

Ok, he gets to say something I disagree with:

Besides, the GM's track record at trading established players for prospects stinks. Really it does. Here are the facts, on the 17 deals by Ricciardi when he has had to trade an established position player or pitcher in large part because of salary considerations:

In those 17 deals, he has sent out 20 players and received 20 players in return. Eight of the 20 men he sent away from the Jays are still in the majors – Cesar Izturis, Felipe Lopez, Orlando Hudson, Miguel Batista, Scott Schoenweis, Eric Hinske, Troy Glaus and David Eckstein. Here's the clinching stat. Over eight years, just three of the 20 players he received in return are still in the organization – Scott Rolen, Jeremy Accardo and Brian Wolfe. Given that, why would Rogers allow an in-season trade with Halladay?

Yeah 8 of those 20 guys are still in the majors but how many of those 8 are players that you would want on your team? We all wanted to be rid of Eckstien, Batista, Schoenweis and Hinske. I don't think there is anyone here that would want to undo the Rolen/Glaus trade. How many of you would rather have Izturis over Marco Scutaro? I guess the one guy I'd like to have is Hudson but we got Glaus for him and for Glaus we got Rolen, I'd rather have Rolen than Hudson, at the moment. And Lopez was just off a season where he hit .227 when we traded him, no one was crying when he left.

Anyway, good job Griffin, nice to have you as the voice of reason.

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I feel unclean for agreeing with Griffin…

So unclean….

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Jul 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Griff! My new favourite baseball writer.

Though I agree with you about the specific players, Tom, I do think there is something to Griffin’s point that Ricciardi has been reluctant to deal players for prospects – every season it seems like the Jays are on the fringes of contention, not quite out but not in either, around the trade deadline, and Ricciardi doesn’t move his vets. Of course, maybe the deals haven’t been there, so it hasn’t been worth it – we can’t know that one way or the other. Still, I’d like to see the Jays aggressively trying to improve their team for next season.

Still, this year should be interesting, with a couple of Jays that could be traded. Frasor, Scutaro, Overbay, Tallet, Barajas, and perhaps Bautista and Camp, all could potentially be moved.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Jays extend Marco, but it depends a lot on how much that would cost. The problem is that if they don’t, they don’t have anyone to play SS next season, unless they plan on moving Hill there.

I doubt Frasor’s value will ever be higher than it is now, though he could also help the team out next season.

Overbay has another year on his deal so the Jays would have to have a plan for who would fill his spot (maybe Lind moves to first, Snider plays left, and Dopirak DHes next season?) but, like Frasor, he could fetch a nice return as he is having an excellent season and is under contract at a reasonable amount for next year.

And if the Jays could move Tallet and get back a return for a mid-rotation lefthanded pitcher, that would be a great return for him – he could be attractive since he is under team control for a little while longer and is very affordable. A team looking to stabilize its rotation on the cheap could do a lot worse.

Don’t forget Big Rod – though him I could easily see the Jays resigning for a modest raise and a 1 year+option deal to see how Arencibia develops.

Anyway, I hope the Halladay situation doesn’t become a distraction – I don’t want to see the Jays blow it up and start over, but they have some moves they could make. The one thing I hope they don’t do is trade Rolen – it doesn’t look like there’s anyone capable of taking his place for next season.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jul 8, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Richard Griffin

The voice of reason.

Wait, what?

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by eyebleaf on Jul 8, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

just wanted to jump in here

Really, I have nothing really to add except to bask in the fact i’m posting this from my cell phone. Yay!

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Jul 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well

Bastian from MLB was also level headed..one of the only Writers to actually use JP’s WHOLE QUOTE, and not just grab the “listen to offers” part of it. Sad when sports writers turn into CNN reporters…
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090707&content_id=5739922&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

What kind of bizzaro world is this?

Griffin the voice of reason?

A Nation of Masochists TRUCULENCE!! It's not just a word. It's a way of life.

by furcifer on Jul 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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