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Toronto Blue Jays' Randy Ruiz greets teammates in the dugout after hitting a second inning home run off Yankees starter A.J. Burnett in their baseball game at Yankee Stadium Wednesday, Aug. 12, 2009 in New York. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

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6 months ago: Toronto Blue Jays' Randy Ruiz greets teammates in the dugout after hitting a second inning home run off Yankees starter A.J. Burnett in their baseball game at Yankee Stadium Wednesday, Aug. 12, 2009 in New York. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

Blue Jays 3 Yankees 4 (11 innings)

We had 14 hits and a homer, how can we have only scored 3 runs? I guess when all the hits but the Randy Ruiz homer were singles, that might have something to do with it. Every starter in the lineup had at least one hit, but we could have used some doubles.

On the good side, Randy Ruiz had 2 hits including his second home run in two games with us. In the game thread we were talking about labels. Ruiz wasn't brought up earlier because he had the label of 'minor league slugger' and that label cost us 4 months of watching Kevin Millar. Now Ruiz might not turn out to be great but the label cost us a chance of finding that out earlier in the season. It is sort of like we were told time and time again that Marco Scutaro was a 'utility infielder' so he couldn't be an everyday short stop. You would think baseball people would be smart enough to look past labels but they don't. I think Torgen suggested that 'reputations are the new inefficiency' meaning that if you picked up players with a 'label' they would come cheap and you could build a good team.

Also on the good side Brandon League pitched 3 very good innings to keep us in the game. Raul Chavez was terrific with 2 hits and a walk, a lot of hustle and picking a runner off first base. I really haven't been a big fan but he has taken a few walks lately and has a terrific arm. And Scoot was 2 for 5 with a walk.

Ricky Romero was good, not great but pitched out of trouble a few times. He did give up a couple of homers, but went 6 innings, with 4 hits and 3 walks against and struck out 5. A Quality start and against the Yankees that isn't bad. Shawn Camp wasn't good, he got thru his first inning of work by luck and a generous strike zone but his second inning he hit ARod and gave up a couple of singles to get the loss. He did pitch 3 innings just a couple of days ago so he maybe was a bit tired.

Romero hit Jeter on the foot in the first inning and Jeter came out of the game a couple of innings later. ARod took one hard off the elbow pad and it looked like it hurt but he stayed in the game. I hope neither is seriously hurt but then if ARod is in a little pain I won't be too sad. A.J. Burnett pitched well but made 3 wild pitches.

Jays of the Day are League (.342 WPA), Chavez (.238 and the picked off batter at first) and Scoot (.111). Lyle Overbay deserves honorable mention for 2 hits and 2 walks. Suckage? Well just about everyone else: Hill (-.270, 2 K's, looked awful at the plate and booting an easy double play play, getting one out but costing us a run in the first), Inglett (-.241, 3 K's), Wells (-.227, 2 K's, with truly the worst at bat you are likely ever to see in the 11th) and Edwin Encarnacion (-.109). Whoops missed Shawn Camp (-.214).

The first inning ball that Hill booted wasn't called an error because 'you can't presume a double play'. On the list of baseball rules I dislike, that is close to the top. Normal effort (which is the usual definition for an error) would have gotten us the double play and Ricky Romero out of the inning without a run against. Encarnacion also had an interesting play that inning, with runners on 2nd and 3rd there was a ground ball to him and he threw home, but Jeter turned back to third and beat out the throw back from Chavez. E5 should have ran towards Jeter before he threw to home. he could have forced Jeter to go towards home and made the play. You have to always be thinking out there on the field.

We start 3 games in Tampa Bay tomorrow Friday and Doc starts in the first game. In other news Cito said he isn't sure he'll be manager after next season.

"I probably want to do something else, as far as going and enjoying my grandkids and my time. I'll be 66, man. I don't think I'm going to be around here until I'm 70 like some of thee guys."

Wasn't a fun game but we had a good time in the thread. Join us tomorrow Friday.

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The amazingness of Brandon League

Pretty much neutralizes the suckiness of the loss for me.

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by ohmybosh on Aug 12, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How can we start a 3 game series on a Thursday?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Typo

series starts on Friday. Plus if it started tomorrow, it would only be three days’ rest for Doc (not that he couldn’t pitch on short rest, but I can’t imagine they’d want him to)

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 12, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Accardo was sent down to open a roster spot for someone

I don’t really get it, since if it’s a relief pitcher, you’d figure Carlson has been less effective, and if it’s a position player, why would you shorten your bullpen?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 12, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, i heard that. Seems like an odd move. They need him in the bull pen.

Accardo is not going to be happy.

by aagoodfella on Aug 12, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice review

I like your review. Brandon League has been phenomenal and consistent for quite a while, so maybe it is time to promote him to be a stalwart reliever of the Jays’ bullpen? The only weakness is Jesse Carlson who always falters. One thing I don’t understand about Jay’s management is why they did not try to bring in a big bat like Matt Holliday to protect Aaron Hill, the pujol of the Jays.

by Jason Z on Aug 12, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They already have Lind to protect Hill

and when would they have brought in Holliday, with which dollars?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 12, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

Torgen, you must be a loyal Jays fan. Nice to see you here yesterday, too. I am still a newbie to baseball and I am sure you are much more knowledgeable than me. But was I right in saying yesterday that they should have used Brandon League instead of Carlson? See how League pitched today? Haha. Anyway, let’s hope for a win tomorrow, which would probably increase Doc’s chance of getting the Cy Young this year.

by Jason Z on Aug 12, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you were told yesterday that someone had to pitch the other innings...

League wasn’t going to pitch multiple innings yesterday as he had pitched the day before. Carlson was going in yesterday and best to put him in against the lefties in the line up. And Carlson doesn’t ‘always falter’, he pitched a perfect inning Monday.. The Matsui homer was smoked but the second homer was a ‘Yankee stadium’ homer. He didn’t have a good day but then all pitchers have bad days. Leagues had a few this year too.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 12, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he went multiple innings doesn’t mean it is the right move… IT worked out but a lot of Cito’s moves worked out earlier in the year when we were winning. Those same moves also helped lead to our losses. Just because it works out doesn’t mean it was right.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im shocked the Yankees didn't plunk one of our guys back!!

Jeter leaves..after a curve ball (so was said) on his foot.

A-Rod hams it up holding is forearm, when it clearly hit his pad…could hear some of the fans “SUCK IT UP” was quite funny

League – does this rare more then one inning make up for all the other times? no. I wouldn’t mind they test him again, but i would not “label” him as a more then 1 inning guy yet.

Too bad we couldn’t get the W for RiRo..is he still top contender for ROY? hopefully we get one for Doc again

by bowling_kid25 on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The HBP on Jeter was clearly accidently as that would be hard to repeat even if you tried. It curved around him and hit his back foot.

I think that might have hit Arods funny bone. even with the padding there I bet it hurt. Are you saying that because there is padding it won’t ever hurt? I imagine some catchers might disagree…. that being said I little pain for A-Rod is never a bad thing :)

I agree on League. I couldn’t believe Cito let him go three… it worked out but doesn’t mean it was the right move.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've hit my funny bone plenty o times

you don’t do what he did. no way that was all legit cause of the “pain” he was in.

I kno jeter was an accident and camp was on that side of the plate all night..just with recent events in the MLB im shocked tempers weren’t higher..especially since it was the Yankees

by bowling_kid25 on Aug 13, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you have never had a 90 mile an hour baseball hit your elbow.

No he wasn’t faking, I know there are lots of reasons to hate ARod but that isn’t one.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires and Catchers get hurt all the time and they were wearing more padding then what was on A-Rods elbow.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yellow card

watch the language

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never seen a catcher or an umpire double over in pain or leave the game?

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is foolhardy speculation

what possible motivation does A-rod have to feign pain or injury more than that he actually suffered?

by aagoodfella on Aug 13, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the padding on Arod's elbow isn't like umpire or catcher padding

or like Barry Bonds elbow padding. This is turning into one of those stupid arguments we get now and then. No ARod wasn’t faking, yes let’s move on to the next one.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is baseball, not soccer

folks do not fake injuries like that

snap!

by aagoodfella on Aug 13, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awe that's most the Italians

he says knowing Hugo and Jesse are too far away to throw things at me.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disgraziata!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean you

but if I did, it would.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh ok.

I know it is tradition and all, but if soccer would go with more than one ref maybe they could catch the diving a little better.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be very much in favor

of more cards for diving

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always think it is funny that guys that you would imagine to be macho, tough soccer players

Are willing to look like wimps. If a hockey player did something like that you would laugh him out of the league.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the first inning was only 9 pitches — warmup was longer

by aagoodfella on Aug 13, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how could the yankees react to A-Rod being hit?

he was the game-winning run. The Jays didn’t bat after he was hit by the pitch. Not to mention the fact that no one hits anyone in a tie score in the bottom of an extra inning game on purpose.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 13, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I find sad is the fact the Jays had twice as many hits as the Yankees did. Then again, when you have twice as many runners LoB, makes a big difference. It’s disappointing when your team SHOULD win a game but they go and suck the pipes in clutch situations and end up letting the other team pull out the win.

by Icedragon on Aug 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody ate their wheaties that morning.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of power has been a problem for several years now. At least this year, we have a couple of players hitting HRs consistently.

by siggian on Aug 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

next year we have Lind, Hill, Snider, E5 and perhaps Ruiz (who knows)

that is a lot of guys with power ability

by aagoodfella on Aug 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s lots of potential for improvement next year, I agree. I was talking about this year being a little short and especially last year. While you don’t want to go overboard (like having an entire roster of Rob Deer-type hitters), having some instant offense power sprinkled through the lineup really helps.

by siggian on Aug 14, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see Russell Branyan at third than E5

and Dopirak seems a better bet than Ruiz for the 1B platoon.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Branyan is gonna cost a bunch with the year he has had.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, if Ruiz

or some similar guy is taking MLB at-bats from Dopirak next season after May 1st or so I’m not going to be very happy.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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