She needs wide open spaces Room to make her big mistakes She needs new faces She knows the high stakes: What to do about the outfield?
Last week we asked folks what they would do if they were named GM and if there was $20 million to play with. I was surprised at the number of folks that wanted Jason Bay. Now a week later and a little further into watching an outfield of Adam Lind, Vernon Wells and Travis Snider, I think the last thing we need is another outfielder with no range.
Right now, I'm more sure that the first thing I'd chase after would be a center fielder with range. A lot of range. I'd ask/tell Vernon that he is playing RF. He might not have the prototypical RFer arm but I'd rather a weaker arm there than him playing CF with no range. His lack of range is magnified by having guys on either side of him that can catch the ball if it is hit directly at them but not so much if they have to move a few feet to get the ball. Vernon has got to move to back up everything.
Of course, adding to the problem is the fact we don't really have a backup for Vernon. When was the last time he had a day off? Center fielders do a lot of running, the most running of anyone on the field, especially ones that have house plants playing either side of them. Vernon has to play every day. Who is the backup for CF? I'd guess Jose Bautista, but he's playing third (and what a defensive treat that is) with E5 on the DL. I'm guessing John McDonald would be the emergency CF or Mac would play 3B and Bautista would go into center. But I don't think either of them are a reasonable enough option to go Vernon a day off.
To be fair, Snider and Lind try, I think their effort is fine and if it were just one of them in the outfield we'd live with it, but with Ruiz DHing we can't hide one of them at that spot. Cito has talked about trying Ruiz in the outfield. I don't know, I mean, he tries and he really has surprised me with his 'speed'. More in that 'hey look, he's faster than Frank Thomas was' way than actually thinking he runs well, but I have been surprised by it. I'm warming more and more to the idea of getting Lind to learn to play first because watching catchable balls hit the ground in the outfield is less fun each time.
So who could we get? Of the likely free agents, Dave Mike Cameron's name stands out. He isn't young anymore but he can go get the ball with the best of them and his bat isn't bad with a 114 OPS+. He hasn't had an OPS+ under 100 in 11 years and will get you 20 to 25 home runs a year. I'd much rather sign him for the $6 or $7 million he would want than give $15 million to Jason Bay just to watch the line to play DH get longer.
Beyond him, the dream guy would be Carl Crawford. The Rays have an option on him next year, but odds are they can't pay everyone they have at the moment. Crawford is playing LF for the Rays but he has plenty of range for CF, maybe not so much the CFer arm but then you need to catch the ball before you worry about throwing it. It would take a pretty decent package to get Crawford in a trade but we do have an abundance of young pitching arms. Or maybe a three way deal in a Halladay trade? Yeah it's a likely pipe dream but he would so good in our outfield and in our batting order.
I'm sure there are other players that could be picked up in trade. If we are serious about trading Doc, why not make getting a good defensive CFer a priority in the package?
I guess if we did do this, the problem for next year would be finding a place for everyone one to play. Randy Ruiz is looking pretty good, at the moment. Lind and Snider have to play. Vernon isn't going anywhere. And Brian Dopirak is trying to force his way on to the team. I'm guessing we have to find a way to trade off Lyle Overbay. I know that would be losing another superior defensive player to make room for a lesser glove but I'd rather a poorer glove at first than 3 awful ones in the outfield.
Anyway, that's my feeling at the moment. Maybe it is clouded by watching so many soft hits fall over the last few days. Yesterday in particular. Maybe part of me is buying into the idea that if we took a little defensive pressure off Vernon his bat might come around. Or maybe I'm just seeing the obvious.
And yeah, the title lyrics are from a Dixie Chicks song, no I'm not proud, but it really did seem to fit.
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LOL, love the houseplants line.
Given the Jays prospects pipeline, namely guys with more bat than glove, I think the writing is on the wall for Overbay. He is comparatively more costly, and whilst he does offer very good defense, most assuredly more than those in the prospect pipeline, 1B still remains a good spot to hide some weak gloves (perhaps Ruiz, Lind, Dopirak, Cooper for example).
Overbay does not really offer the same in offense as might be sourced from the prospect pipeline, so the best outcome that is likely available to him on the Jays is a platoon role. Bottom line, he may be trade fodder, although I am guessing he was already on the waiver wire.
There are really several issues to be resolved before we can make this conclusion, but clearly this situation may be on the horizon. Issues to be resolved might include whether Ruiz makes the team, how well Lind or Snider improve in the field etc …
It is not clear that Lind will develop the speed to be an outfielder with range. When queried yesterday as to whether he would get speedier and steal more bases, Lind replied with a to the point ``nope``. So this alternative to eliminating the DH log jam, may not be available.
How about make a run at Andrew McCutchen?
To be honest, I know absolutely nothing about this kid. He was a first round draft pick of the Pirates in 2005 and the only time I see a hilight of a Pirates game, he seems to be in it. My first thought was that Pittsburg would never let him go but lets face it, they are pretty much the minor league system for the rest of MLB.
Scouting report on Mr. McCutchen:
McCutchen is an exciting five tool player who has been unfortunately rushed through the Pirates system. He hasn’t been able to fully develop at each level and instead of staying put and working on his skills, he has been pushed through. McCutchen has a great glove in center and despite his great defensive prowess, his impact bat may be his best skill. McCutchen has quick hands, strong wrists and a compact swing which produces a surprising amount of power for someone of his stature. He is a line drive hitter thanks to his quick bat speed and is able to hit consistently to all fields. His power hasn’t fully developed as expected, but that still has time to grow. Still learning to use his speed effectively on the bases but once he does, look out. Hopefully they give him a chance to slow things down and get his feet under him before it’s too late.
Looks good to me???
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 25, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
I'm assuming to get him, we need to send a young arm or 2 to the Pirates
As a result, we have Snider in LF, McCutchen in CF, Wells in RF.
I don’t know what to do from there. I would have Lind/Dopriak/Ruiz lining up at first base and DH, but someone is out of a position, so I don’t know what to do. Good thing I’m not the GM. As I think this through, Ruiz kinda looks like a backcatcher…. Kidding.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 25, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
DOn't have an answer
But I would like for Ruiz to make the team next year, even as a bench guy. He can rake and is fun to watch.
Could be a fun offseason, especially if Litsch and Marcum get healthy and there is positive news on the McGowan situation. I hope McGowan makes some positive strides…
Well don't look for Litsch till late in the season.
Ruiz is fun isn’t he. I’d wait a few more at bats before deciding he deserves the job next year but boy I like watching him play.
fair enough
but he has hit at all levels of the minors. If he has a good spring, I don’t see any problem with him being on the team (but again it depends on what happens over the winter). And, though I am ingorant in regards to the collective agreement, I don’t think it would cost much to release him or send him back down if he doesn’t perform. At 31, I think it is now or never for him.
My problem is where the direction of this team is going
In the past, the Jays were built with defence and good pitching. Assuming Overbay isn’t around next year, I don’t see any good defencive position players (except for Hill and Scoot (If he comes back)). I rather have a team built like Tampa that is built around defence, speed, and pitching, as they are less prone to falling in massive slumps.
Going forward, this looks like a poor defencive team. As much as we love guys like Snider, Lind and Ruiz, all they are is big bats. The past month has been frustrating as hell to watch with the guys kicking the ball all over the place, not sure I’d be looking forward to watching that over 162.
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
yeah I like watching good defense...
but, let’s face it, we haven’t won anything with great defense. Maybe great offense and poor defense will work? I do want a CF with range, but I’d gladly put a lesser glove at first that has the big bat we want. I’ll even trade defense in LF for a bat. We had Wilkerson, he was good defensively, but you have to score to win too.
Yes, that works for me.
Sign a CF who can get after the ball and put Wells in Right. I guess you have to put Snider in Left, and a Lind/Ruiz combo at DH/1B with Overbay coming off the bench.
Would love to have McCutchen, but he’s not going anywhere, I’m sure.
Scoot has to be resigned, I don’t think that Jackson is the answer, at least not yet. I haven’t heard anything about his glove, is it any good? Who to play third. I mean we have Encarnacion and Bautista, both more suited to DH, though with Encarnacion’s line this year, maybe not even that. I don’t know.
Will Hill hit 25+ homers next year or has this mostly been luck? Can we plug him in at third and bring up Emaus or something? I could live with that, I think.
Thoughts...
I totally agree that we need a defensive upgrade… What about this…
Assuming we have some extra cash ($20 mill was floated around)…
1 Resign Scutaro, maybe 2 years 10 mill…
2 Trade Overbay to anyone, take back prospects… Frees up 7Mill
3 Lind, Sinder, Ruiz, Dopriak to play DH,LF,1B depending on matchups.
4 Throw 4 years, 36 Mill at Figgins (9/year) to play 3B (and he`s versatile, sp?)
5 If the Rays don`t pick up Crawfords 10 Mill option, offer him 3 years 24 Mill (not sure if 8 will get it done though)
5b If we can`t get Crawford, go after Coco Crisp, not a big bat, but great defensive… probably around 4 per year…
6 Use the remaining 5 Mill to shore up the Pitching… Maybe offer Wagner a 1 year deal to close out games, and retire as the Left Handed leader in Saves?…
LineUp would be excellent…
Assuming we can get crawford…
3B – Figgins
CF – Crawford
2B – Hill
DH – Lind
RF – Wells (assuming he bounces back)
LF – Snider
1B – Ruiz
SS – Scutaro (he can`t keep this up, can he?)
C – Chavex
Bench… Dopriak, EE, Inglett, Barrett
Sounds like we could score enough runs for Halladay, Romero, Marcum, Richmond
In that lineup I would switch Cahvez and Scoots.
That way you have a “Lead off” type hitter at the bottom of the lineup for when it turns over
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
I like Inglett
But isn’t there anyone else that could fill the utility role? I guess Iglett can play MI and LF.
I do really like the idea of Figgins
Would 9 mil a year do it? Any word on what he’s looking for contract-wise?
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
upgrade at CF
One name no-one`s mentioning`s Jermaine Dye. At 32 he`s got some gas left, has a good glove and still some pop left. We could lock him up to a Bobby Abreu style deal to Move Wells across. Either that or we could use Merisnick LMAO
I think I would have Wells at CF
over Dye. But Dye would be a great RF.
Sox have a team option on Dye
and Thome is going into free agency, so they may exercise their option on Dye and move him to DH.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I assume you meant Mike Cameron
I don’t think Dave Cameron’s knowledge of defensive stats will translate into defensive stats.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
What about Kirk Cameron?
And so, Craig finds himself leaping from blog to blog, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap, will be the leap home.
by craig in calgary on Aug 25, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

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