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Third baseman required..one name might just fill the bill


Ever since the departure of Scott Rolen to Cincinnati, the Blue Jays have given most of the opportunity to Edwin Encarcion to play the 3b position. However, every time there has been a ground ball to his direction, you almost have to hold your breath to make sure the ball get's to first before the runner.  When ever he's been playing, it just seems he is not confident out there...

Other than the one good year last year where he hit 26 homers and drove in 68 runs in just over 500 atbats,  he became vey injury prone this year, which made it an easy decision for the Reds to move him. I suppose that now explains why experts claim the other two pitchers in the deal were the best part of the trade. Coincidence or not?  After appearing in just 16-games for the Jays,  he strains a left hamstring.

Jose Bautista, is the other option Cito has used at third since Rolen's departure.  Although he can play defense and  bring a respectible OBP to the table, hitting under .230 with 3 homers and just 18 RBI's in just over 200 plate appearances, is hardly the impressive numbers you expect from a MLB third baseman.

Angels 3B Chone Figgins who is eligible for free agency after this year, would be a perfect fit here in Toronto.  He can hit for average, steal bases, bring a high OBP and play his position well. The only negative, he doesn't hit for power, but this is overlooked considering how much more offense he generates for the players behind him in the batting lineup...

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Im not giving up on E5 just yet

Hes still young and has potential.

Although i obviously wouldnt complain if we got Figgins… although i honestly dont see why any FA would come to Toronto right now.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Aug 26, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Because we paid them money?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 26, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

So far this season Figgins is a 4.9 WAR player

The previous two seasons he was 2.4 and 3.1. FanGraphs suggests this kind of production on average might be worth about $15M/yr.

At 31 this could be his last (only actually, since he’s not making much now) big contract. My guess is he looks for 5-6 years at $15-18M/per.

If anything the Jays will have to overpay to get him here.

What are the chances he ends up being worth that kind of money? What are the chances he ends up being Wells 2.0?

We talk a lot about overpaying for guys and making idiotic signings, and I’m just wondering whether the people who are so anxious to sign him now might be the same ones screaming 2 years from now about how crazy the front office is to give away all this cash to such garbage.

by voodoomusic on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chone Figgins will NOT get a 5/75M or 6/108M contract

Look for 4/40M. Speed players who do not hit home runs don’t make that kind of money unless you are Ichiro and help to sell merchandise to a whole country.

by Natescavich on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot get over the spelling of his first name

by aagoodfella on Aug 26, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, with his first name, you’d expect his last name to be something like Phigghinz.

by siggian on Aug 26, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i heard a while back

that his name is spelt Jhonny becuased his parents spelled it wrong on this birth certificate…WOW

by bunner on Aug 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

per Wikipedia

In an interview with the Santo Domingo Times on March 11, 2007, he claims that he is the only person named “Jhonny” with the name spelled correctly; all other “Johnnies” are misspelled. 1 He has refused to have it changed. The letter combinations “Jh” or “Gh” are sometimes used in the Spanish language to represent the English “J” sound, as the “J” in Spanish is normally pronounced as an English “H”.

a. Peralta scores major points for saying he’s the only one with the name spelled correctly.
b. as the second part notes, that would be the phonetic way to spell it in Spanish.
c. the idea that his name was spelled wrong on his birth certificate makes no sense . . . reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer changes his name to Max Power, which the judge accepts because of all the names he wanted (Handsome B. Wonderful, Hercules Q. Rockefeller, etc.) it was the only one spelled “right.” Names can’t be spelled wrong. They’re spelled how they’re spelled.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is...

completely disconnected with the real basis of the topic at hand…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

if his parents spelled it “right” everyone back home in the DR would call him “hah-nee” and maybe they didn’t want that

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 27, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Chone Figgins and I really hope we pick him up

I haven’t completely given up on E5 but I am in agreement that if we can add Chone we do it.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 26, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

the problem is, what do you do with E5 if you get Figgins … I do not think you can realistically keep both on the bench and can you move E5?

by aagoodfella on Aug 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shoot

I thought I had read somewhere that it was an arbitration situation for E5 next year. My thoughts were to just not offer him Arbitration….

Hmm..

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Jays are on the hook for $4.8M for E5 next year

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3913296

+ whatever they are comping the Reds for Rolen, less whatever the Cards are comping the Jays for Rolen + the cost of a replacement

that is alot of money for third base.

If the Jays picked up a 3B, do you think E5 can be moved?

by aagoodfella on Aug 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren't giving the Reds any more money...

they paid Rolen’s salary for this season but not next year.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw it, if you can sign Figgins try to get rid of E5 and if you can’t? Park him on the bench

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you not offer E5 arbitration? Similar situation to Bautista's this year, though JP ended up keeping him?

I’d like to get Figgins if it’s possible. Nobody’s ready for a while down in the minors at 3B/SS, so even if it takes 3-4 year contract, it might be worth it.

by REMO on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t that situation. He is already under contract for next year, after we could simply decline to offer him arbitration, but next year he is ours alreayd

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 26, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reed Johnson was under contract for 2008 but we released him

and only had to pay him 1 month’s salary. Does E5 being on a multi year deal mean we can’t do that, where in Johnson’s case it was possible because it was a 1 year deal?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure of the conditions of the contract

He was released and 2 days later signed with Chicago… but the 1 year deal he signed with TO was for like 3 Mil…

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it depends on what the contract says

I believe it can be written either way and the CBA doesn’t mandate one or the other.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Platoon E5 at first with Overbay?

He has good numbers against lefties and if throwing is a bigger problem for him than range then he could be above average defensively, although I wouldn’t count on it for too much value.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

DH him? Try him in LF?

With E5, Snider, Lind you could put whoever is the best in LF/RF and the other at DH…E5 could even play RF with a strong arm might even be better suited to play there…just a thought.

I do REALLY like the idea of signing Figgins, he would be a great fit with the Jays almost the exact type of player the Jays are looking for to hit at the top of the order…

by bunner on Aug 26, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be....

a deadly combo having Scutaro and Figgins in the top of the lineup, especially with their high obp’s and having Hill and Lind following them in the batting order would without question give us a great offensive push….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s give him a Vernon-style contract so we have someone new to bash.

by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Sep 8, 2009 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No No NO!!

Let’s not pull a JP and give someone a wad of cash after their career year!! He is 31 and is posting a career best .402 which is 40 points better than his career .362 OBP. I realize that the last three seasons he has posted better OBPs than his career mark, but let’s also look at the fact that he has been injury prone the previous two seasons. If we were to pay him 10 mil a year and he posted a .293/.362/.390 line are we really gaining much?

by T.Haynes on Aug 27, 2009 5:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Solution

Hopefully the Angels decide to keep Figgins which would pretty much doom Brandon Wood on that team. Hopefully the Jays take advantage and snag him!

by T.Haynes on Aug 27, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

praise to Haynes’ sense of reason - are you listening JP?

by aagoodfella on Aug 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Figgins a lot

he is versatile and would be great at the top of the order.

That said, he’s having a career year, has had some injury problems, and is on the wrong side of 30. I think whoever gets him is going to have to overpay. I’d take a look at him but I’d be careful about overpaying, especially if we have to give up our 1st round pick and don’t get one back for Scoot. With Doc likely to be on his way out after 2010, it’d be nice to keep our top draft picks and start building from the ground up.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 27, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

We wouldn't have to give up our first round pick

We’re probably going to be in the bottom 15 in W-L record, so it will be protected. We could sign 25 type As and not lose our first round pick.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it hadn't occurred to me that we would finish in the bottom half

but based on our record right now it definitely looks like we will, though that could change.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 27, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

he is healthy right now and he will be the best third baseman available in the 2010 free agency list….Adrian Beltre is another option, but if the Jays were going to make a pitch for him, they probably would be better off settling for Encarnacion..

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the thing … encarnacion could turn out to be great … his track record shows a guy who had consistency, than was working on power than was set back by wrist injury. For sure it is high risk gamble, but maybe next year is when encarnacion puts the power and average together … imagine him hitting 290 (2007 average) with 26 HRs (2008 power). 2009 was set back by injury. It is certainly not out of the question that 2010 is the year that he puts them together.

by aagoodfella on Aug 27, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltre and Encarnacion are completely different players though

Beltre’s a great defender who was worth almost 12 wins over 3 seasons before having an off season due to injury. Encarnacion’s a butcher in the field whose best season was barely above average before having an off season due to injury. Which injury would you expect to negatively affect hitting ability more the following year: a broken wrist, or a fractured testicle?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 27, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess it depends on whether the batter goes with the traditional hand grip or the lesser-employed testical grip

by aagoodfella on Aug 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say...

It depends on what type of hitting (on) he’s going to do next year. :P

by siggian on Aug 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet even most women

cant read the term “fractured testicle” without cringing visibly

by ucantcoachthat on Aug 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

most women?

I’s a guy and just reading it hurts

by Tom Dakers on Aug 28, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was what he meant

all men cringe . . . even most women do, too.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes..

you are absolutely right….but he certainly is not worthy of a $13.4 million dollar salary he ’s getting this year..Yes, he has been injured for a long period of time this season, and for that he most likely still have to take a pay cut to about $9-10 million a year with the next team he signs. Encarnacion is worth about $2.4 mil a year and who knows, if he gets healthy next year starting from spring training,he could be a productive bargain…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

If Encarnacion is only worth $2.4M next year

that’s only a half win above replacement, and we can’t afford a black hole like that on our roster.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And considering he'll be paid $5M next year

he’ll be a terrible contract too.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Aug 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly not as an everyday player

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It...

remains to be seen what’s going to transpire in the off season…there’s also a possibility if we do acquire a Figgins or even a Beltre, Encarnacion could be dealt somewhere else….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 27, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

might not be such a horrible idea

even if we land Figgins (or another 3B), to keep E5 as backup/DH/PH. Maybe Cito would pinch hit more often if he had some slightly better options to choose from. Right now even most of the starters can’t hit, let alone the bench. I’d rather see E5 as a pinch hitter than Johnny Mac.

Has E5 ever played any 1B? If he could be taught to play it at a semi-adequate level (it shouldn’t be too hard to be at least better than Millar), he would actually be quite useful as a DH slash platoon partner for Overbay slash backup 3B.

Though it’s been nice watching Ruiz raking over the past few games I’m just not sold (at least not yet) on the guy as a long-term DH option. I think the book on him is going to get out there pretty quick, the pitchers are going to realize he swings at everything, and pretty soon he’s not going to see anything he can actually hit. He is too old to suddenly learn plate discipline and/or radically alter his mechanics (the way someone like Snider potentially could if faced with the same problem) and that is the reason why guys like him get regarded as career minor leaguers—not because they don’t have the skills or couldn’t potentially do some damage, because they aren’t in a position to make the necessary adjustments to succeed long-term in the bigs. I believe that the only reason he has raked so consistently in AAA is that the pitchers are mostly young guys who think the only way to get ahead is to go right at hitters and try to blow it by them. That plus the higher turnover at that level meaning he probably doesn’t see the same pitchers constantly like he would in MLB, and I doubt there’s the same level of scouting/watching film either.

4.75M is expensive for a backup, no doubt about that, but if the alternative is to trade him and get garbage in return (right now it’s hard to imagine getting more than one middling prospect—so basically it would be a salary dump and nothing more), we might be better just to treat it as a sunk cost and see what he can do in a utility role. Particularly if we’re seriously contemplating trying to make a run at it in 2010 (which I find hard to believe, but last I heard that’s still how it’s being spun).

by voodoomusic on Aug 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree with your " he swings at everything" comment. When Ruiz first came up, he had a tendency to chase some outside stuff. He has shown, IMHO, that he no longer does that.

by aagoodfella on Aug 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's be...

realistic here…Ruiz has not even played a half of a season of MLB baseball in his career, neither he has already been assured a role with this team next year. Yes, he will be given the opportunity to compete in the spring for a chance to play for our club next year, but a lot of things can happen between the end of this season and the start of the 2010 baseball campaign…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed - Ruiz has shown himself to be an excellent hitter so far … but alas, he has yet to prove himself over a longer period … however, he has achieved a feat that Dellucci could not, so there is legitimate reason for optimism, but yes, we need to see him keep it up through Sep

that said, to me, he only looks like he is getting better in terms of comportment at the plate

by aagoodfella on Aug 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you suggesting that he's

“comportly”?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

need to termper expectaions of Ruiz

36% of his fly balls are not going to go for home runs next year like they have this year (even the best power hitters in the league like Pujols and A-Rod are in the low 20s), and he’s not going to post a .395 BABIP over a full season.

I do like what I’ve seen and it’s possible he can be a useful player next season, but it’s not very likely he’d be a good full-time DH. I will say I’d rather use Ruiz than retreads like Dellucci, Millar, and Mencherson.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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