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The report card (Jays style)




Although there's still lot's of baseball to be played, most of us agree the planning for next year
most likely has already begun. With all the negatives this club has experienced this year, there's been
plenty of positives we should look forward to going into next year.. With that, it's important to assess
the role of those in the current roster...



C
JEREMY ACCARDO  After such a geat season two years ago, he has not regained the same
form this season and with already so much young pitching depth  he might
not be in this team's plans for next year.

C
SHAWN CAMP It's been an up and down year for the veteran rightander, but he has been more
consistent in the second half of this season.

D
JESSE CARLSON After an outstanding season last year, he has to be one of the major
dissapointments of our bullpen. However, lately he has been more affective.

A
BRETT CECIL He struggled after his first callup from Las Vegas, but has since shown  this
organization he deserves to be part of this starting rotation for a long time.

A+
ROY HALLADAY Wtihout any doubt the class of this organization both on and off the field.  Despite
the adversity of this team on the field this year, he continues to perform consistently at a high level.

A
JASON FRASOR Before the season started, he added a breaking ball to his collection pitches,
which in essence made him a more complete pitcher coming out of the bullpen and
the results have spoken.

D
BRANDON LEAGUE  Coming into this season, Cito Gaston was super high on this guy.
Considering how hard he can throw and the potential he brings to the table, it's been one of those
years when  called upon from the bullpen, you just don't know which Brandon League is going to
show up.

B+
SCOTT RICHMOND A 30-year old rookie who has for the most part answered the call whether
it's been in the rotation or coming out of the bullpen.  

A-
RICKY ROMERO  If not with last encouragement from pitching coach Brad Arnsberg, it's hard to
believe this guy would not even be with this club at the start of the season. Oustanding season and
a worthy candidate for rookie of the year.

B
MARK RZEPCZYNSKI  Great potential and shown impressive maturity for a young pitcher..


B
BRIAN TALLET Thrown in the starting rotation to fill in for Jesse Litsch and responded
with the second highest amount of quality starts by Jays starters so far this year.


A
ROD BARRAJAS Has put up decent numbers for a catcher this year, but more significantly
has a done a masterful job by handling the young and inexperienced pitching staff.

B
RAUL CHAVEZ  Solid backup to Barrajas and reliable defensively when called upon
to throw out speedy runners.

A+
ARON HILL  In my opinion the MVP of this team. He has been the most consistent player offensively
for this team this season and just as flawless in his defensive position at second.

B
JOHN MACDONALD  His play has been limited this year, and it's always a delight watching him
play on the field when he's given the opportunity.

D+
KEVIN MILLAR had quite a good start to the season, but since has been brutal to say the least.

C
LYLE OVERBAY  A very unpredictable year for a guy who certainly has the potential to put up
better numbers than he has shown this year.

A+
MARCO SCUTARO  Without question the surprise of the team this year. Best OBP on the team
played like an allstar in the SS posiiton and hitting nearly the .300 mark most of the season this far.

B
JOSE BAUTISTA  Amongst the league leaders in assists playing only in limited time. But below an
average hitter.


C
JOE INGLETT  Has been called up twice and making very little impact. Time is running out on
opportunities for him to play at the major league level with this organization.

C
ALEX RIOS As bad a first half of the season he had, he has been able to make better contact in the
second half and in the process drive in a few more runs and hit a few more balls out of the ballpark.

D
VERNON WELLS It's been a mjor underachieving year in all categories for this guy, especially in
HR"S and RBI's. Watching him hit nearly .300 with bases empty and around .205 with men on
base is just puzzling.

A+
ADAM LIND  What a year and a great future he has in front of him. Hitting the ball hard to both sides
of the field, driving in runs, hitting for average and putting a few balls over the fence, is certainly
been fun to watch....


B
CITO GASTON It's been a very difficult year to manage a team that has sustained so many
key injuries to his pitching staff. But the biggest problem to resolve has been finding a way to
get hitters to drive in runs in scoring position, which is something that has contrbuted significantly
his team collapse after a 27-14 record to begin the season.


A
BRAD ARNSBERG   a commanding job handling and teaching avery young stafff that filled in
so many holes  due to injuries this season.

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League deserves more than a D

Id rather see him out there than anyone in the bullpen besides Frasor right now.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Aug 9, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Though maybe he should have 2 grades – 1st inning of work = B+ or A-; 2nd inning of work = F.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by wroth91 on Aug 9, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, the D for League is crazy

the guy has had some amazing outings and some weak ones, but he is very predictable and you can tell after a few pitches if he is on or not …. so if he has a bad outing, frankly i tend to view it as mgmt’s problem because they do not pull him right away

Barajas gets a B, because his hitting has been off and on (although this is consistent with his career pattern)

by aagoodfella on Aug 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.......

Since 2004 when he participated in 3-games, League still has not lived up to the expectations this organization had when they drafted him in the 2nd round of the 2001 MLB draft. In his major league career, 5 wins, 8 losses, 2 saves and 7 blown saves with 4.10 career ERA, is hardly impressive by anyone’s books, especially someone with his potential. This year, the only good stat he has is 6-holds, one behind Carlson who has 7 and is not even having good season himself.. Jason Frasor has been the most consistent pitcher out of the bullpen for us this year and it’s insane to compare League to what Frasor has done this year….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 9, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had promised myself not to engage this silliness

but League has already had 2 excellent seasons and is actually pitching quite well this year but has had ridiculously bad luck – check out his tRA and FIP if you don’t believe me.

It’s bad enough to “LOL” at people with whom you don’t agree (and, by the way, quit doing that please, it’s totally inappropriate) but when you are the one with the poor argument, it’s all the more problematic.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 9, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compliance is necessary here...my opology

It was not my attention to provoke or rattle someone’s cage with the LOL terminology…
Regarding Brandon League pitching quite well this year. I not only completely disagree, but I strongly believe most Jays fans will also support my notion. You mentioned he had two excellent years.
In 2006, he was 1-2 with a save and 3 blown saves but in only 42.2 inning of work. and in 2008 he was 1-2 with 2.18 but in only 33.1 innings of work.. Again my argument here is not just about a pitcher, but someone who was once touted as the best pitching prospect in this organization. Yes, he has shown a little more consistency in the second half of this season, but he is still very unpredictable coming out of our bullpen. Example: Last outing against the Orioles down only 4-3, he comes in and gives up two key runs which ended up being the difference in a 7-5 loss.

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 9, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree strongly with you use of win/loss record as an indicator of performance.

Win – Loss record can be strongly influenced by batters. See Jason Frasor this year.

And you can’t just use one outing as examples That is such a small sample size.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opinions are what they are...

As I clearly outlined above…it’s about expectation and the potential he originally brought to this team which continues to let down this organization…wins/losses are not the point, the career stats are just a clear demonstration how little he has accomplished in his five year tenure in the major leagues.

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his career ERA+ is 108

including this season, where he has mostly been unlucky. He’s had two seasons where he was way above average – including last year where he was almost twice as productive as the average major-league pitcher.

Meaning he is an above-average major-league pitcher. Maybe he’s fallen short of your expectations, but to say he as “let down the organization” and cite his win-loss record in support of your argument doesn’t get you very far.

There are opinions and there are opinions that are backed up by evidence and reason.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could have the best ERA and WHIP in the league and not win a single game if you are on a team with an impotent offence

by aagoodfella on Aug 10, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or if you only come into games when your team is already leading.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 10, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

win loss has nothing to do with anything, especially with a RP

also, he has been extremely unlucky. For example, if you watched the Os game he pitched in, you;d know he gave up ground balls and a ball off his glove… he isnt getting hit hard when he pitches badly (for the most part) and when he pitches well hes untouchable.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Aug 9, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Just because he has not lived up to his potential, doesn’t necessarily mean he is never gong to eclipse his current struggles and become a better pitcher. This guy has an amazing moving fastball and a wicked slider and he’s only 26-years of age and there’s no reason why we should pull the plug on him at this point.. However, the Blue Jays been patient for five years, how long can we expect them to hold their breath on this guy…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 10, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not like hes a huge problem in our bullpen

when hes on (half the time) hes lights out, and when hes not on hes a bit wild and gives up some runs. Hes a pretty average RP when you put it all together, so hes hardly a hindrance… Id rather have him in there than Carlson or Camp or people like that.

And i always though his out pitch was some sort of splitter thing rather than a slider. When hes on that pitch is absolutely untouchable.

I wish hed get some Rick Vaughn glasses and just be our closer. I honestly think that if he got more playing time and a vote of confidence from Cito he could sort his issues out and be great.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Aug 10, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is far more than half the time that he is on too.

in 13 games since the start of July he gave up runs in 2 of them. In June he had 3 games he gave up multiple runs. In May he gave up runs in 2 of 9 appearances, 1 run in one of the games. And in April he gave up runs in 2 of 11 game. The unfortunate thing is when you are a reliever, if you give up multiple runs in a game it takes a long while for your ERA to recover. He has given up more than one run 8 times this year, too many, but 8 of 46 is a lot less than half.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already had the midterm report..

so this is like the 5/8th’s report card? =S

by bowling_kid25 on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?

A for Barajas? A .277 OBP is BAAD, even for a catcher… And his 76 OPS+…

by CaptainCanuck on Aug 10, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OBP is the least....

Hitting 10 homers, driving nearly 50 RBI’s at this point with well over a month left to play, certainly is more than this organization expected from him. Since the all-star break, the Jays pitching staff is second in team ERA in the AL and again that’s a tribute to the leadership & guidance Barrajas has provided for the number of young pitchers who have come up from the farm system this season. THIS IS A HUGE AND A VERY SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION that deserves recognition….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I agree,

But does that contribution deserve an A grade?
I am not saying Barajas should be an F but A seems a bit high.

I know this list is a personally preference type of thing so I won’t say much about it, but you can’t be surprised that there are arguments for and against some of your rankings.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 11, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Barajas' defense too

but to give him credit for the pitchers is off the mark. The Jays’ pitching (again with a lot of young pitchers) did well with Zaun catching last year too, and was one of the best staffs in the league in ‘07 (again with a lot of young pitchers) with Zaun and Molina. It’s tempting to assign credit to the catcher, but more likely is that the Jays have had one of the best infield (and overall) defenses in the league each of those years.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its a combo of Barajas/the Infield/Pitching coach/Teammate Support/Doc Teachings/Cito/Minor League coaching/High School coaching/Team therapist/George Poulis/JP/Chavez/Friends and Family/The Outfield……..

Did I miss anyone?

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 11, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget Butters

here’s hoping he can work some magic with E5 in the spring next year

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Butters!

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously........it's a team effort...

It would be ridiculous for anyone to claim Barrajas is the ENTIRE reason why the Jays young pitching staff have been so affective this year. However, he certainly deserves a lot of credit for talking, calming & encouraging our young pitchers when ever they’ve been in troublesome situations….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 12, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with giving him a little bonus

but that doesn’t mean he deserves an A.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 12, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or a B

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real question is

What are the grades based on? Are they for expected performance for that person or are they for relative performance against his peers?

I’d argue that Rod has done just about what we expected of him, perhaps a little bit better. My gut feeling is that he is slightly above average catcher.

(I await being pelted with statistics showing that my gut is wrong or right)

by siggian on Aug 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t have any statistics but I can throw these timbits at you…. will that do?

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll consider myself virtually pelted and am now ducking to avoid further mockery and fried food.

by siggian on Aug 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely...

That’s exactly what is based on, expectations..and Barrajas certainly has fulfilled that bill….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that case. I disagree with Chavez. I think he has performed above expectations in his backup role. Considering he was the 3rd catcher to start the year.

I also think Camp has performed above what was expected of him.

And in the very very limited time Johnny Mac has been on the field he has made a few errors so I would think a lower then B grade should suffice since he is expected to pretty much only come in for his D.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 13, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you must have really

expected Barajas to be awful at the plate. He’s 1/2 a win above a replacement level player now, on pace for one of the worst seasons of his career. His .285 wOBA is brutal.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a Barajas fan at all

and I didn’t expect him to be near this bad this year. I don’t know why you’d expect him to be worse than he was last year. He’s had a full year of Cito’s batting instruction.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 13, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the end of the day....

I think management are very satisfied with what he’s accomplished for the Jays this season…not to say we shouldn’t try to improve in that position even if it’s meaning going after a good young catcher like Canadian RUSSEL MARTIN of the Dodgers…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 13, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they are happy with his performance this year

it shows why the team is spinning its wheels

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 14, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

early on I was happy, but his hitting performance has trailed off quite a bit of late

by aagoodfella on Aug 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I afraid if that makes a team happy, I'm cheering for the wrong guys,

He’s at 0.5 WAR, which would have him above Dioner Navarro of the Rays. But trailing Zaun and Wieter, Variteck and Posada. Chavez is at 0.3 WAR, considering he hasn’t played that much, maybe we’d be better off with him starting.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 14, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all good...

It’s awesome to have the different feedback from each and everyone of you…..keep it up…

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would give Wells an F. Jerry and Allan were talking about him on the weekend. Basically he’s starting to hit the ball now and he may end up with decent numbers at the end of the season. But as they mentioned it doesn’t matter because he did not perform when it mattered most and it mattered most when the team was close. Now it’s too late and he can hit all the home runs he wants and pad the stats but sometimes the stats don’t tell the tale of the tape.

by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Aug 11, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so

you think Wells is so ridiculously good that he can just turn it on whenever he feels like it?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps not, but a disturbing trend of late season strenght at the expense of mid- to early-season performance is just not going to get the job done

hopefully it is a trend that does not persist — consistency would be nice

by aagoodfella on Aug 11, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would, I agree

but it is not a character flaw to be playing well at this point in the season, as some seem to think.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, and in fact, I would even characterize a step up in late season play as a virtue

unfortunately, if it is just on offset to substandard mid-season play, it is not worth so much

by aagoodfella on Aug 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. I think he is good when the pressure is off.

by BigTimeBlueJayFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

if it would be possible for such a player to ever make the major leagues. I doubt it.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one thing I don't think people appreciate

I feel like the pressure you feel when you’re 17 and scouts are watching you is far greater than when you’re already making millions of dollars.

On the one hand, Wells cracks under pressure, but on the other hand, he doesn’t care whether the team wins or loses. If he doesn’t care whether the team wins or loses, how does he feel pressure to crack under?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Aug 11, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh ho ho ho - don’t you use that logic on us LOL ;-)

by aagoodfella on Aug 11, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Confidence............

Like any professional athlete, I have a consensus Wells’ struggles have come at the expense of losing his confidence at the beginning of the season when he could not get the bat going. He then fell in a trap, where he was chasing pitches out of the striking zone, which compounded the problem for him to put more pressure on himself when batting with runners on base….

"Sports is something you know, not something you should preach.'

by valter on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VW startded off fine

for the first ~1 and 1/3 months Wells was hitting consistent with his career stats

(avg, obp, slg, ops)

through May 9
(286, 340. 471, 811)

career stats
(281, 329, 473, 803)

it was near the end of the Oakland series in early May that he started tanking and never fully recovered

by aagoodfella on Aug 12, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well its because he didn’t start as hot as Lind. Scutaro and Hill that people percieved he was doing poorly and then he actually did start to do poorly which made it worse.

'But I don't want to go among mad people' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that' said the Cat 'we're all mad here'.

by JohnnyG on Aug 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

 but he started the season fine

i would like to know what happened after mid-may

by aagoodfella on Aug 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect he started to put too much pressure on himself

As the team tailed off in offense, he tried to put it on himself to be the “man”. I think that VW has a lot of good intentions and tries hard, but for him, trying to be the focus has bad effects on him.

Just my theory anyway.

by siggian on Aug 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO ... grades I'd change

League: C+ has lacked consistency or the grade would be higher; yes he hasn’t fufilled his potential but better than a D

Camp: B- has exceeded my expectations and done a comendable job for a long reliever / middle innings guy … a lot of his runs given up have come when overused

Accardo: B- has gotten a raw deal from the Jays, needs to be traded, given a fresh start

Cecil: B+ looks promising but he’s not done as well as Romero

Downs B (A before the injury)

Barajas: C+ does a decent job catching and calling a game and has a better arm than Zaun did but still gives up too many SB, is weak blocking the plate, and his hitting has really tailed off

Hill A: his average has tailed off otherwise an A+

Inglett: C- improving now that he has had some consistent playing time, decent utility player

Wells: C- still a better than average glove, okay at the plate when no one’s on base, and nice speed on the basepaths … just hasn’t been able to bear the weight of that contract and the high expectations that come with it

Bautista: C started off well, has tailed off … needs consistent playing time for confidence

'some witty quote'
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