Two Homers For Travis Snider, a Fight and the Jays Beat the Yankees, That One Had Everything
by Tom Dakers on Sep 16, 2009 12:27 AM EDT
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Boy that was a long game. The interesting part first: In the top of the 8th inning Aaron Hill was hit with a pitch, before that Encarnacion was hit with a pitch. Likely neither was intentional, but the Jays have been hit a ton lately. And you'll likely remember the Yankees hit Randy Ruiz in the face their last series together. Jays have been hit something like 15 times so far this month. In the bottom of the inning Jesse Carlson threw behind Jorge Posada. Posada wasn't happy. I'm not a big fan of hitting one of them because they hit one of yours but we've been hit so much lately it really was time someone stood up for our hitters.
Anyway, Posada walked and came around to score. After he scored he brushed past Carlson. He was ejected right there and then. But he came running back at Carlson and the benches emptied. They fought for quite a while. Even Cito almost took a swing at someone. Carlson came out of it with a large bump on his head. I'd imagine there will be suspensions. Posada for sure. Carlson maybe. I'll admit I admire Carlson more after this. Posada, not so much. Posada has been playing for years, he knows what was going on and he didn't get hit. He knew Hill got hit in the ribs. Maybe he could act like a veteran. Maybe.
Apparently, according to Jordan Bastian, writers following the Yankees say that John MacDonald punched Yankee manager Joe Girardi. I kind of doubt it, but Girardi looked to have the start of a shiner.
Other than that? Roy Halladay wasn't great. He pitch 6 innings, gave up 11 hits, but only 2 earned runs, striking out 6. He was helped by a heck of a throw by Jose Bautista from RF, gunning down ARod. I'm not a fan of Bautista but he has the best arm I've seen in the outfield since Jesse Barfield. Carlson came after Doc, because, well he pitches in every game the Jays lead in. And he pitched 1.2 innings. He would have gone longer but he was ejected in the mess. Jeremy Accardo came after the mess and walked the batter he faced. Then Scoot Downs finished off the inning. Brandon League pitched the 9th because we were only up by 7 and he hadn't pitched since yesterday.
Offensively, we were great: 13 hits and 5 homers. Travis Snider showed why he's called Moonraker by hitting 2 massive homers. He also struck out his last 3 times up. Edwin Encarnacion had one, after hitting one yesterday, Adam Lind had one that just went out and Jose Bautista hit one in the 9th. Everyone in the lineup had at least one hit except for Hill, who took one for the team.
Jays of the Day are Snider (.243 WPA) and Encarnacion (.122). I'm going to give one to Cy for sticking up for his team and Rod Barajas for sticking up for his pitcher. At one point I'm sure I could read Rod's lips saying 'that ****** ran at my pitcher". Honorable mention to Doc and Lind. No Suckage Jays, Hill came closest at -.075.
I know I should be above this but I'm glad the Jays stuck up for themselves. Tomorrow Brian Tallet (7-9, 5.26) goes against Chad Gaudin (5-10, 4.81). I'm relatively sure there won't be fights again tomorrow but then I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Tallet would stand up for the team too. If I'm the Yankee's manager I sit Posada tomorrow. If I'm Cito, I tell Carlson to stay at the hotel. Knowing the two of them I wouldn't be surprised if Cy pitched to Posada tomorrow.
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Comment on the Yankee site about the game
“Posada is classless, Shelley Duncan is a maniac, Girardi thinks he’s younger than he is, Carlson wanted that fight to occur by standing near the plate, Barajas has character, and the Jays still suck.”
From what I am assuming is a Yanks fan….I think I agree.
Go check out the video on the Jays site
Addresses a few of those questions/comments and also is from the NY side of things. If you watch, I don’t think there’s really an opportunity for Macdonald to punch Girardi. Macdonald is in the foreground of the shot pulling a Yankee away with what looks like maybe Romero and another Yankee. You also see him from another angle moving away from the scrum to the top right of the screen pretty early into the video.
As to where Carlson was, because of how he falls off the mound, he was jogging down the first base line to cover and had to stop because Posada was coming through at full steam. And Carlson barely moved at all. Posada was the one who initiated contact – watch Carlson’s body language and movement and you see that he isn’t leaning into it or anything (about 2:07 of the video). I love the Yankee announcers though who are trying to pin it on Carlson because he didn’t sprint full out to get to the correct side of the plate to cover. Stupid homers.
And I fully agree with pitchers intentionally throwing behind the batter. The video shows that Posada really was not in any danger of actually being hit, but he freaks out anyways. That’s what bugs me. If a pitcher throws 2 feet behind me as a warning, I take it as it is and move on. If Carlson actually hit Posada, then it’s a different story, sure, but he wasn’t even close.
I’m sad I missed this game, but had a dodgeball game and a soccer game on tonight, so it wasn’t really an option.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
I saw one replay and it live
and MacDonald did hit Giradi. However, it was more of a graze as Johnny Mac was trying to pull someone (maybe Romero) out of the scrum.
And Posada is a douchebag. E5, Hill and Ruiz all have got hit above the letters in the last two games. Good on Carlson for the warning pitch. It didn’t even come close and he threw at the catcher…the one calling the game. It wasn’t Jeter, Tex or Arod.
I liked it.
it depends on the camera angle
One angle it looks like he hit Girardi, another angle it looks like he was just grabbing someone.
I thought it was accidental
but it did look like he grazed him as he was trying to grab someone.
can't help laughing at Macdonald
Yahoo news described that Macdonald plunged into the crowd and threw a punch at Girardi. That sounds hilarious. He can actually hit people?
Posada?
The Jays did not even hit him. I hope he is in the line up today, we’ll know if the Jays have balls then. Barajas is the man!
My JoD's
Are Carlson, Barajas and Cito…and after reading this, Johnny Mac. (Slow clap)
Thank you. I wish that Rance was calling this game, he’s been screaming at the Jays for weeks to protect their hitters, ESPECIALLY after towers hit Ruiz in the face. As was mentioned earlier, Carlson did exactly what he should have done, throw behind Posada. I really liked all the emotion that they showed in that scrum…especially Cito! Mark my words, they will play better ball in the last 2 weeks. A team that plays with passion will win more times than teams that are simply playing to collect a paycheque. I’m not acusing the Jays of mailing it in starting in August, but the results kind of speak for themselves.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Sep 16, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
....what if
What would Dave Stieb (and a lot of other former Jay pitchers) have done in that situation? LOL A lot more than throw behind him I’m sure! Way to go Carlson – something should have happened when Ruiz got hit…nice to see there’s still some fire in the belly after all.
Carlson came after Doc, because, well he pitches in every game the Jays lead in. And he pitched 1.2 innings. He would have gone longer but he was ejected in the mess. Jeremy Accardo came after the mess and walked the batter he faced. Then Scoot Downs finished off the inning. Brandon League pitched the 9th because we were only up by 7 and he hadn’t pitched since yesterday
I love it! Great lines.
And ya, the Yankee broadcasters that were on the MLB.com highlights were unbelievable to listen to. Have they not seen how many Jays have been hit by Yankee pitchers this year?? And they didn’t even mention the fact that E5 was hit earlier in the game as well. All they kept saying was that throwing behind Posada because of Hill getting hit square in the back was overkill. Just unbelievable. I’m not a fan of retaliation in most cases, but I loved this. Jays’ pitchers have done it so rarely this year that it was about time.
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