Only I Can Hear Me / I'm Stuck Inside a Cloud: 9/25 Game Thread, Mariners at Jays
by hugo on Sep 25, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
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Seattle Mariners at Toronto Blue Jays, Sep 25, 2009 7:07 PM EDT
Let's go Jays, let's go Doc!
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Oh boy
Jamie and Pat are calling the game from field level
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it must be cool to be at field level
but I don’t think those seats actually give a great view of the game
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I paid $200 a game for seats like those when we played at the Dodgers a few years back
and yeah, the view isn’t great.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to sit in those for one game
but I think the view is better from higher up. The seats I get are in the 2nd row in the 2nd deck a few seats over from behind home plate, that gives a great view of everything except the outside corner of the plate to RH batters
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had a seat at AT&T for the very next game
extend the 3rd base line through the first base line stands, about 20 rows back. Better view and much cheaper.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Pat...Doc will never catch up to Stieb in complete games....
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cito said today if the jays don't have a shot at the playoffs in 2010 then maybe
it’s time to trade Doc
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
after the Rios and Rolen trades, it became time to trade Doc
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we hadn't traded Rolen mid-season we would have had to trade him in the off-season
if he was so unhappy. (And I don’t think the opportunity to get Stewart would have been there.) And both moves freed up salary that could go to Doc.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like both the Rolen and Rios moves
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have mixed feelings on Roy
love the guy and would be pleased if he retired a Jay
but if he is not going to re-sign, than trade him for value as soon as you can
of course, that is probably the consensus view so probably a wasted comment … oops, hit the post button already
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
I just thought that those trades signalled a concession that the team likely won’t compete in 2010, and thought that trading Halladay became a good idea at that point (BTW, I was very much against trading Doc at the deadline, before the Rios and Rolen trades). Before those deals, I thought the team could be improved this offseason to contending status (factoring in the guys coming off injuries), but I’m somewhat less sure now.
Anyway, I’m sure this has been argued to death while I have been gone. I probably shouldn’t add to it
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, dumping the Rios contract was just a good business move, IMHO it was not admission of anything except that they made a bad decision when they signed the contract
by moving Rolen, yea, I agree that was probably an indication that Jays were not going to make the playoffs although obviously that decision was made mathematically for the Jays long before the trading deadline
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the deal the Red Sox supposedly offered
that everyone else can’t figure out why the Jays wouldn’t have accepted it if it was offered, I would have taken it. The only position player in the deal was a left fielder, and we already proved you need more than the best pitching in the league to win games.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody in another thread
posted a comment about a conspiracy theory for why Ruiz not being played
because Ruiz was making JP “eat his words”
does anyone know what the comment was in reference to?
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JP said Ruiz feasted on inferior minor league pitching and really couldn't cut it in the majors.
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh, hate to see talent wasted over personality conflicts
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think I might have to change my vote on whether JP should stay or go
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Ctio doesn't use a player because JP said something about him....
then I have so land for you
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quick. let me get my checkbook ;-)
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone asked JP why Ruiz wasn't up
and he said Ruiz wasn’t a major leaguer.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Jamie....
If the Jays scored more runs in the games Doc lost he’d have more wins…….well ummmm yeah, that’s how baseball works
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my fave comment from hockey player interviews
“we just have to start putting the puck in the net more often”
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Az der bubbe vot gehat baytzim vot zie geven mein zayde
translation (from Yiddish): if my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice K
was waiting for that appeal a long time
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what is the deal with catcher barrett
I read an article on bluejays.com about catching situation and there was not even a mention on Barrett … but Jays have an option on him
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JP has been pretty vocal in the media the last two days, some interesting quotes, such as
"If we’re going to play in the big man’s division, and we’re not going to spend that money, it’s going to be really hard for us to compete with those teams."
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
might want to start playing Ruiz instead of Bautista
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and this one:
"Let me make this clear: It doesn’t matter if J.P. Ricciardi is the GM, or Joe Blow is the GM. Two years from now, five years from now, seven years from now, the reality that we face in Toronto is the division is not going to change. The Red Sox and Yankees are not going away. If the Yankees want to, they can take their payroll to $300 million."
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the Yankees' payroll $100M when JP was hired
and they were already the free spending bullies of the league?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they spend smarter now than they did then too
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it Super Chicken that said
He ‘knew it was a dangerous job when I took it’
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mac looked great
i will not be sad if there is room for him next year
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP also said he'd like Hill to move back to short next year
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard that one
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Globe and Mail:
“The GM also did not rule out the possibility that all-star second baseman Aaron Hill might have a future at shortstop, dependent of course on Hill agreeing to the switch.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/globe-on-baseball/trouble-on-the-farm/article1300522/
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder what vespa thinks about that comment
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting wording....
I wonder if he ‘ruled out the possibility’ of me playing short?
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it matters because I think JP won't be here next year
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems to be acting like someone with one foot out the door
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, i was going to say “didn’t rule out the possibility” and actually saying Hill might play SS are two very different things
a reporter could ask JP “what are the chances of Hill moving to shortstop” and than JP gets a cell phone call and runs off … and voila, you have “didn’t rule out the possibility”
perhaps this is why some pro sports mgmt warn players not to pay attention to the media
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite what he said...not even close.
He was just musing options.
by ayjackson on Sep 25, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE THREE FACES OF ADAM HILL
here are some comparative defensive stats for Hill at SS, 2B, 3B
3B – innings=286 – error per inning=.017 – field%=.949
2B – innings=4272 – error per inning=.007 – field%=.988
SS – innings=549 – error per inning=.022 – field%=.953
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B were in 2005
SS were in 2006 & 2006
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS gets more errors than 2B
at second you have time to pick up a ball after a mistake. not at SS
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
how big a crowd?
lots of folks at 500 lev
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
real cold and cold for a long time
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he started the month off hot....
but he’s 0 for 20 now I think
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bautista range in the outfield doesn't impress me...
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is nothing spectacular, but i will give him the nod over Snider and Lind for glove and arm
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has an amazing arm but doesn't seem that he gets to balls all the well
course with his bat, he shouldn’t be playing a corner outfield spot
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Scoot would get my vote for team MVP
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great defender and good OBP at a premium position
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think, having not really looked at the numbers in a bit...
plays great defense, gets on base and very consistent.
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would probably have to go with Hill, Lind than Vespa
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could argue for Scooter over Lind
based on defense and positional scarcity, but Hill plays a premium defensive position as well.
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but Scoot gets on much better than Hill.
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its tough .. combined they are the heart of the team
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAR values..
Scoot 4.3, Hill 3.8, Lind 3.0
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers never win the MVP
They have their own award
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but we aren’t voting for the real MVP, we are voting for our Blue Jays MVP. And I wanted to know what Doc’s WAR numbers are.
Also, pitchers sometimes win the MVP, though usually not the most deserving ones.
by SuckaMD on Sep 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 NL MVP Jimmy Rollins
had a WAR of 6.7 according to Fangraphs
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for some baserunners
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
thinking for most of your life that it is over?
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happens after 10 years
pension plan?
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah you hit better pension numbers...
but then it is easy to say you will quit when no one offers you money…
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the gun slow or does fister really max out at 85mph
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Edwin is really making Overbay earn his pay
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry for all the quotes tonight, but I though this is worth it, this is from Bastian's
twitter, the source is Bob Nightengale, USA Today baseball writer:
“Hottest rumor among baseball scouts is that Pat Gillick will be returning to Toronto to become president of club, not GM.”
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was actually musing about the possibility in my own mind the other day
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there's a little run support
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, served that one up on a platter
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
roy looking great
77 pitches (56 strikes) through 6 — on track for 115 over 9
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again, cheers for the pizza
not the K
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
inglett could play 2B
if Hill went to SS if need be
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inglett is a non-prospect though
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think all this talk of Hill at SS
is indicative that the Jays feel they will be unable to sign Scutaro?
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no is more like an idle remark.
I’m not sure that the Jays wouldn’t mind the first round draft picks though
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
assuming they can sign them?
zing
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law was talking about a philosophical shift
between when we drafted the guys and the signing deadline. I wonder if we got the equalization payments back and that meant we were beholden to slot.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that, but Beeston did say he offered Paxton over slot money
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but they seem to have been pretty rigid on how much over slot...maybe they talked to MLB about how much they could get away with
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't marisnick signed for over 3 times slot?
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that was 3 times later round slot
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be right, I hope they don't stick to slot with all the picks next
year though. Just seems odd when pre-draft beeston said they were going over slot and was considering not even applying for the equilization payments.
by ClintB on Sep 25, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, i did not mean to imply that the non-signings were all that bad
i prefer to see the jays walk away from a deal than get fleeced — i was just joking about the “zing” since folks ragged on Jays so bad for not signing some high draft picks
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's not all this talk
there’s one offhand comment that’s being parroted
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
by Torgen on Sep 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
learning to cook for himself?
he signed a 7 digit bonus
he can order in
by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
darn
almost ended it there
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one batter later, got it
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that was his last start at the Dome as a Jay
He made it count
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's he saying?
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they came at him with shaving cream but he ran off....
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
says he didn't think about it being his last start, in Toronto
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that
I would bet Doc’s focus is such that nothing beyond the game enters his mind
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he had a big smile on his face, nice to see him happy
by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't blame him
not easy to pitch a shutout
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Sep 25, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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