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Cito Gaston drives us crazy, Part 76

Let's say you are manager, it's the bottom of the 9th and you are down by a run. You have the bottom third of your lineup due to hit. Add in it is September and you should have some extra bodies on the bench to evaluate. One would think this would be a spot for you to try out some pinch hitters. And if you think that, you obviously aren't Cito Gaston.

Last night, down by a run, bottom of the 9th, Travis Snider leads off with a 6 pitch walk. A really nice job. Next up is Raul Chavez, a player not known for his bat. We have Randy Ruiz on the bench, as well as 2 other catchers. Randy, you might know has 7 homers in the 95 at bats Cito has allowed him. Seems an obvious moment to pinch hit, right? Nah. If not, an old school manager like Cito would bunt, right? No again. Chavez flies out after he fouled off a hit and run attempt earlier in the at bat. A hit and run attempt with Raul Chavez at the plate. What in his history would make you think he could work the hit and run?

Next up is John McDonald. John as been in the major for 11 seasons, during which he has done everything in his power to prove us all that he can't hit. Randy Ruiz still sits in the dugout. Cito is doing the statue routine. I know you are going to say 'we don't have any one else to play shortstop, if we tie the game'. Which is true and is incredibly stupid in September. We could have 40 guys on our active roster and we only have one that can play SS? Why? Either because we are incredibly stupid or incredibly cheap. Or some combination of the two. Anyway, who cares that there isn't anyone to play the position if we tie. Odds are long on us tying and if we do that's a problem for after it happens. Jose Bautista is in the game and he must be the emergency SS so we could put him there in the slight chance that we go to extras. Getting that tie is our first worry. McDonald, hacking at everything like usual, flies out.

So now we are down to one out and Jose Bautista is up. Jose, as we all know, hits right-handers sort of like I would. Which is another way of saying 'not at all'. He is hitting .198 against them. His best strategy against them is to stand there and hope they throw 4 balls before they get to 3 strikes. This is an all or nothing moment, why wouldn't you bring out Randy Ruiz? But we don't and Bautista strikes out and we lose. I gotta ask the question here; do you think Cito knows that Bautista doesn't hit right-handers? Jose has played in 21 games in September. What makes anyone think Jose Bautista should be an everyday player?

Yeah I know the game means nothing, but you are playing it anyway, why not try for the win. If we aren't trying to win why can't we put Randy Ruiz and Kyle Phillips into the lineup more often. Why didn't we call up more prospects? Why are we using our regulars every day? If we aren't trying to win and we aren't going to try out some young guys, what are we doing? I guess we are seeing if we can drive off the last few fans we have.

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Chavez flies out after he fouled off a hit and run attempt earlier in the at bat. A hit and run attempt with Raul Chavez at the plate. What in his history would make you think he could work the hit and run?

Didn’t you hear Rance talk about how well Chavez handles the bat? If Rance thinks that, then it must be true…

I thought it was strange that neither Jamie nor Rance even mentioned that the Jays could possibly pinch hit for any of those 3 guys. I mean, do they have some kind of contract with the Jays that they can’t criticize what Cito does? If my wife wasn’t in the house I would have been screaming at the TV at that point. I was all for Cito’s hiring last year, and especially after the way we ended the season and started this season. But now I’ve seen the light, and it’s not very bright.

by jonnybluejay on Sep 25, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No thankfully I missed Rance telling us that...

But I did have a raise a glass in honor of Rance’s last game of the season. That is worth celebrating.

by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a pox on all you Rance detractors

i hang on his pearls of baseball wisdom

by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously, Cito’s bench mgmt is really costing the Jays games

by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is why, I am thinking you need an aggressive guy like Chucky (John Gruden from NFL)

it is not that I do not think Cito has good baseball knowledge, but at this stage many he lacks the passion to chase down the win

for example, last night, a mgr should be sitting on the bench, “hmmm, i need a run here, how can I best get it. I should probably pinch but if we get only one, I need to make sure I have the fielding assets for extra innings. Snider can hit. I can trade up for Chavee and still have suitable catcher. Practically speaking, I cannot sub in for Mac because we have no SS for 10+.” bla bla bla etc ….

But I do not really think Cito is actively weighing all the choices and optimizing the outcomes in his mind. In contrast, a Chucky guy is actively working the alternatives and moves accordingly.

Cito still has organizational value, but increasingly I do not think it is in bench mgr role. Again, I would like to see him focus on the transitioning role helping to ramp up the next gen of Jays bench mgmt so whoever comes in, can ramp up the learning curve as fast as possible.

by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't 'transistion' in baseball

giving players two bosses is a great way to cause trouble. You’d have guys that are loyal to the old manager, guys that hate the old manager. The new guy would make his own choices, if he wanted to talk to someone about players and things, there is a whole organization out there and he would have his own coaches.

by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, passion to win?

that’s silly enough when talking about players. Cito is the manager!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think a mgr scrambling for ways to win will be one more impactful than one snoozing on the bench .. you have not convinced me of the merits of your position … as a lawyer, you should be able to make a better case for yourself ;-)

by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course, Cito wants to win....

just because I don’t agree with him moves doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to win.

by Tom Dakers on Sep 25, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

yeah, unfortunately you can’t argue rationally with someone who is arguing that the team is losing because the manager lacks the passion to win. Just like I can’t prove there’s no flying spaghetti monster. A good lawyer knows an argument like that is a waste of time.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, I would put it this way succinctly

if Cito had no money and I told him that he would be awarded $100k if the Jays won that game and $0 if the Jays lost, than Bautista would not have been batting in the final spot

call it passion, call it motivation, call it whatev … the appropriate actions to win were not taken

by aagoodfella on Sep 26, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even if that were true

by your logic, Pete Rose should have been paid extra and nothing bad should have ever happened to him since he had “extra” motivation to win in the games where he was betting on his team to win, leading to a more likely win for the team.

I think it’s certainly possible, even likely, that Cito is worn down after a long season (remember, his first full season managing in a long time) and doesn’t have his head in the game 100% of the time – but it’s a huge, totally unsupported leap to go from there to suggesting that that is what is costing the team games. Strategic in-game moves (or non-moves) are fun for fans to debate, but their impact on a team’s overall record is negligible – particularly so in the American League game.

Also, OT, you seem confused about what ad hominem means. You might want to look it up.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 26, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all organizations transition … it is in fact a professional field of study

by aagoodfella on Sep 25, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In honesty,

It looks to me like the team (Cito and management) is doing every thing they can to loose games, most likely in order to get a higher draft pick (not that we can sign them).

by Jesse Taylor on Sep 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If

we tied it in the 9th, Cito have to sit and wait until the next ‘mistake’ to lose the game, why bother? just end it in regulation time and go home.

by Outz on Sep 25, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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